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post 1687692613 08-03-2023, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Some folks are okay with the risks of repeated infection, others aren't. Everybody's different
So mask up? Even outdoors?
post 1687693003 08-03-2023, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Yep. It doesn't look like the current vaccines protect against long covid.

(Repeated) infection is the concern
Then why did you claim in the past that the injections appear to protect against long Covid?

Why did you claim that they lower your risk of re-infection?



It appears you have claimed quite a few things over the past few years that turned out to be false.
post 1687693323 08-03-2023, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
Then why did you claim in the past that the injections appear to protect against long Covid?

Why did you claim that they lower your risk of re-infection?



It appears you have claimed quite a few things over the past few years that turned out to be false.
Nary a quote

But, the data regarding vaccines and long covid are heterogenous. Vaccines do lower the risk/odds of (re)infection; time matter tho.
post 1687693383 08-03-2023, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
Then why did you claim in the past that the injections appear to protect against long Covid?

Why did you claim that they lower your risk of re-infection?



It appears you have claimed quite a few things over the past few years that turned out to be false.
He still makes excuses for ignorant, pathetic individuals still masking up.
post 1687693703 08-03-2023, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
He still makes excuses for ignorant, pathetic individuals still masking up.
Some folks are okay with the risks of repeated infection, others aren't. Everybody's different
post 1687694903 08-03-2023, 07:05 AM
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Pure blood crew. Wife got covid again and I didn’t get 1 symptom


Maybe it’s because my diet, gym, sauna, and natural vitamin D? Goat!
post 1687699203 08-03-2023, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Nary a quote
The available results are heterogeneous, but many studies show lower odds of LCS in vaccinated vs unvaccinated people.
Are you now saying those studies are wrong. That was barely a month ago, so that seems like a pretty quick turnaround.
post 1687701173 08-03-2023, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
Are you now saying those studies are wrong. That was barely a month ago, so that seems like a pretty quick turnaround.
Which studies?
post 1687701353 08-03-2023, 09:22 AM
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Some posters can't ever move on, they need to somehow feel important, by trying to freak people out, over a virus with a 99.8% survival rate.......
post 1687701843 08-03-2023, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
Some posters can't ever move on, they need to somehow feel important, by trying to freak people out, over a virus with a 99.8% survival rate.......
Some folks want to cling to the idea that if you don't die you're fine, so let 'er rip.
post 1687703373 08-03-2023, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Which studies?
The studies you were referring to when you said
many studies show lower odds of LCS in vaccinated vs unvaccinated people.
post 1687703553 08-03-2023, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
The studies you were referring to when you said
That's still true. Do you disagree with that or something in the studies? Did they use regression or something?
post 1687703673 08-03-2023, 09:59 AM
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OP got raped by Mr. Covid and instead of seeking therapy he decided to flip the script by stalking Covid. Some time after the assault the formerly middle class Mr. Covid went on disability and moved into a trailer park. Covid occasionally gets into shouting matches in the trailer park but the former amateur boxer gets beat up every time he tries to start a fight.

Most of OP's stalking consists of watching Mr. Covid through a set of binoculars every day for hours. But then when he goes home at night he spends hours on social media complaining and spreading rumors about Mr. Covid to the same people, who are tired of hearing about it. Mr. Covid is obviously a former shell of himself, and most of the world has forgotten he exists. Still OP feels very wronged and despite everyone telling him to let it go he can't. More than likely he will keep repeating this stalking doom loop for a long time or until has a mental breakdown.
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post 1687703963 08-03-2023, 10:06 AM
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Here's a review:

Effect of covid-19 vaccination on long covid: systematic review

"Results
1645 articles were screened but no randomised controlled trials were found. 16 observational studies from five countries (USA, UK, France, Italy, and the Netherlands) were identified that reported on 614 392 patients. The most common symptoms of long covid that were studied were fatigue, cough, loss of sense of smell, shortness of breath, loss of taste, headache, muscle ache, difficulty sleeping, difficulty concentrating, worry or anxiety, and memory loss or confusion.

12 studies reported data on vaccination before infection with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, and 10 showed a significant reduction in the incidence of long covid: the odds ratio of developing long covid with one dose of vaccine ranged from 0.22 to 1.03; with two doses, odds ratios were 0.25-1; with three doses, 0.16; and with any dose, 0.48-1.01.

Five studies reported on vaccination after infection, with odds ratios of 0.38-0.91. The high heterogeneity between studies precluded any meaningful meta-analysis. The studies failed to adjust for potential confounders, such as other protective behaviours and missing data, thus increasing the risk of bias and decreasing the certainty of evidence to low."

https://bmjmedicine.bmj.com/content/...e2=tf_ipsecsha
post 1687704003 08-03-2023, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20
OP got raped by Mr. Covid and instead of seeking therapy he decided to flip the script by stalking Covid. Some time after the assault the formerly middle class Mr. Covid went on disability and moved into a trailer park. Covid occasionally gets into shouting matches in the trailer park but the former amateur boxer gets beat up every time he tries to start a fight.

Most of OP's stalking consists of watching Mr. Covid through a set of binoculars every day for hours. But then when he goes home at night he spends hours on social media complaining and spreading rumors about Mr. Covid to the same people, who are tired of hearing about it. Mr. Covid is obviously a former shell of himself, and most of the world has forgotten he exists. Still OP feels very wronged and despite everyone telling him to let it go he can't. More than likely he will keep repeating this stalking doom loop for a long time or until has a mental breakdown.
If all you've got are ad hominems, do it like this guy
post 1687706123 08-03-2023, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
That's still true. Do you disagree with that or something in the studies? Did they use regression or something?
You seem to disagree with the studies since you said
Yep. It doesn't look like the current vaccines protect against long covid.
Even though you are fully aware of those studies.
post 1687706253 08-03-2023, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
You seem to disagree with the studies since you said





Even though you are fully aware of those studies.
When the extant literature is heterogeneous, it seems incorrect to make a broad generalization of benefit. Do you disagree?
post 1687707573 08-03-2023, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
When the extant literature is heterogeneous, it seems incorrect to make a broad generalization of benefit. Do you disagree?
- many studies show lower odds of LCS in vaccinated vs unvaccinated people.


- It doesn't look like the current vaccines protect against long covid



Pick two I guess???




So you just like to point out studies even though they don’t show what you say they show. Your entire posting history makes a lot more sense now.
post 1687707813 08-03-2023, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
- many studies show lower odds of LCS in vaccinated vs unvaccinated people.


- It doesn't look like the current vaccines protect against long covid



Pick two I guess???




So you just like to point out studies even though they don’t show what you say they show. Your entire posting history makes a lot more sense now.
I'm not comfortable generalizing from mixed data. Some folks are. Some are even comfortable generalizing from personal experience. Everybody's different
post 1687709633 08-03-2023, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
I'm not comfortable generalizing from mixed data. Some folks are. Some are even comfortable generalizing from personal experience. Everybody's different
Like I said, you like to tell people about studies even though you don’t agree with their findings. And now your posting history makes a lot more sense.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Some folks want to cling to the idea that if you don't die you're fine, so let 'er rip.
Those who survived, are they okay?

And you know this mentality of avoiding the public, wearing a mask everywhere, constantly sanitizing the hands, getting every jab possible, will actually weaken the immune system?
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
Like I said, you like to tell people about studies even though you don’t agree with their findings. And now your posting history makes a lot more sense.
If that's what you think is happening, give'r
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
Those who survived, are they okay?

And you know this mentality of avoiding the public, wearing a mask everywhere, constantly sanitizing the hands, getting every jab possible, will actually weaken the immune system?
Dunno. You could read the studies.

Can you share support for any of those things weakening immune systems?
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All i see OP saying in his posts is that it isn't/wasn't just a "cold" and that in some people there were long term disruptions compared to pre covid.
That can be said after many things and is not so controversial.
The real question is, why don't we all bounce back quickly and equally after exposure?
The studies that he posts, mostly say that we do not all "bounce back" the same.

If you have a problem with that, then you must think that we are all clones from the exact same genetic "stuff" with no variability.
There is an unspoken thing, we are iron brothers and sisters, we are to support each other and...It is our duty to support our brothers and sisters in the iron game!
post 1687712483 08-03-2023, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
All i see OP saying in his posts is that it isn't/wasn't just a "cold" and that in some people there were long term disruptions compared to pre covid.
That can be said after many things and is not so controversial.
The real question is, why don't we all bounce back quickly and equally after exposure?
The studies that he posts, mostly say that we do not all "bounce back" the same.

If you have a problem with that, then you must think that we are all clones from the exact same genetic "stuff" with no variability.
The stuff I've been posting is foundational in trying to understand exactly that. I imagine people find comfort in thinking it's over or just a cold, but the data say otherwise.

Now that politicians have decided it's okay for most people to get multiple infections per year, I think it's important to try to figure out who might experience long term, sometimes debilitating, effects and try to find ways to help them.


Some folks are getting rekt by covid and it's not just the old and obese.

The first question of importance is why are some folks getting rekt and others not?
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Originally Posted By DeshaunWatson
Pure blood crew. Wife got covid again and I didn’t get 1 symptom


Maybe it’s because my diet, gym, sauna, and natural vitamin D? Goat!
You clearly have an amazing immune system. To go so long without washing your hands and never getting sick?

Need to study you boyo for humanity's sake.

srs
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Holy crap dude, Satan's huge crew.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
The stuff I've been posting is foundational in trying to understand exactly that. I imagine people find comfort in thinking it's over or just a cold, but the data say otherwise.

Now that politicians have decided it's okay for most people to get multiple infections per year, I think it's important to try to figure out who might experience long term, sometimes debilitating, effects and try to find ways to help them.


Some folks are getting rekt by covid and it's not just the old and obese.

The first question of importance is why are some folks getting rekt and others not?
Yes that is the complicated part and the question that must be answered!
But my fear is that this topic has been so politicized by the people that dislike leaders, that they can't distinguish between "leaders" and regular people suffering with Covid-19 side effects that linger.
There is an unspoken thing, we are iron brothers and sisters, we are to support each other and...It is our duty to support our brothers and sisters in the iron game!
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
The stuff I've been posting is foundational in trying to understand exactly that. I imagine people find comfort in thinking it's over or just a cold, but the data say otherwise.

Now that politicians have decided it's okay for most people to get multiple infections per year, I think it's important to try to figure out who might experience long term, sometimes debilitating, effects and try to find ways to help them.


Some folks are getting rekt by covid and it's not just the old and obese.

The first question of importance is why are some folks getting rekt and others not?
You've got to admit to yourself you're making a mountain out of a molehole. It has been just a cold for all but a rare few the last year and a half.

Politicians didn't decide jack schitt. The virus became more infectious than measles, whether someone was vaccinated for Covid or not. There's nothing politicians can do. Their restrictions and lockdowns rekt society in a dozens of ways and killed magnitudes more people than lives saved by restrictions and lockdowns. It's up to people to be healthier, though I know that's not going to happen at the macro level. People with Long Covid for any serious length of time are the people who spent a long time in the hospital from it, and the health status of those people are not exactly baffling.
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20
You've got to admit to yourself you're making a mountain out of a molehole. It has been just a cold for all but a rare few the last year and a half.

Politicians didn't decide jack schitt. The virus became more infectious than measles, whether someone was vaccinated for Covid or not. There's nothing politicians can do. Their restrictions and lockdowns rekt society in a dozens of ways and killed magnitudes more people than lives saved by restrictions and lockdowns. It's up to people to be healthier, though I know that's not going to happen at the macro level. People with Long Covid for any serious length of time are the people who spent a long time in the hospital from it, and the health status of those people are not exactly baffling.
I'll trust you bro. Your takes are in opposition to the data, but you state the things people want to hear with confidence; that's why I trust you.

Long colds seem new, but if you say they aren't. Who's to argue?
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