Regardless of who was at fault, you'd have to be a real smooth-brain to think you can freely walk into the Capitol Building without facing any consequences. I guess Americans have forgotten how their government functions? Literally any government owned building entered without permission is subject to an arrest, at the very least. To the people running the country, even casually strolling through is akin to an insurrection. Wouldn't go even if you paid me. No cuck, that's just how the US works. I get that some were duped and thought it would be ok, but come on, man. Did they really think it would be fine? I personally don't care about any of it, because I'm not even American and it's not like they were tearing things apart and destroying property, etc. But you still have to remember how stuff ACTUALLY works, even if you don't necessarily agree with it.

You know... this is a considerably more polite and constructive reply than anything I get on reddit when I post my opinion on covid vaccine safety and efficacy. I am ghey by many definitions and aren't we all a little bit retarded so it is factual. I'm at a loss as to it's relevance and it is not the slightest bit intelligent but has no pretense of being so. But hey at least it is factual so I am not even mad.

Speaks to the absolute state of the chitlibs and left wing politics in general if comments such as these actually attract this enlightened centrist towards conservatism but here we are. I guess this is pretty much Trump 2024 confirmed and I look forward to reading some of his completely unhinged and moronic insults now Elon has purchased Twitter and await with excitement to see how he handles the two term limit. Does he go full nothing to lose turbo grift with self pardon at the end? Or does he try and change that particular part of the constitution and transform the USA into a hereditary monarchy? UST has a nice ring to it.

the pearl harbor of our generation!

lmfao.

I know a lib who actually said to me, "What if the siege worked, and they took over the country."

I was like...... u fukin wot m8?!

He wasn't even trying to be funny. I think he just plays CNN at full volume in his house all day.

literally shaking rn just reading the thread title and seeing "January 6"

I can't believe they are giving people 30 years in prison over this. Confederate generals didn't even get prison time.

I never thought I'd see the day when political prisoners were a thing in the USA but here we are.

OP is hilariously Ironic.

I wish we could somehow go back in time to show the people involved how they would be viewed and treated afterwards.

Then watch them go “f*ck it- let’s all be the thing they will make us out to be”

All those gun owners going to the capital to overthrow the capital... without any guns.

Makes total sense.

Actually it is, our country was founded on insurrection

Everyone should watch this. Interview with the former Capital Police Chief on Jan 6th. Why would the main stream media deny interviewing him? Why would they not want him to testify? Dude was very adamant about telling his side but that doesn't fit the narrative. Nancy feared for her life, LMAO that's so comical. She was the one who single handedly delayed the National Guard what, 6 hours, basically until it was over.

TONS of fookery going on there. The liberals baiting them into this and it worked perfectly as planned.

Except there were Dems who entered in 2011 and 2018. No arrests or imprisonment.



It was an operation where the federal agencies participated to stage manage an event for political reasons.

Not only did Nancy turn down extra security she had a film crew there to film her throughout.


Trump made a video calling for peaceful protest on January 6. It was scrubbed pretty hard and isn't easy to find. If you hadn't known of it you wouldn't even go looking.



https://truthsocial.com/@Lara45/110347189817366927

I've seen it before, but it seems to get taken down quickly when it is posted.











^^^
A lot of news happens which never makes THE news.

this x10000

I’m not into bestiality

Liberals have this strange way of thinking where they dont understand that everyone has internet access and can simply look stuff up for themselves and see the truth.

They honestly think they are the only ones who have internet and its some sort of special access only type thing.

Look how they talk about minorities getting I.D. They cant fathom they would have ever seen or used the internet. srs

That is very telling, but not really surprising. The left has the spotlight right now (or always). If they weren't part of the agenda, they'd get treated exactly as the right. That just means that it's within the best interest of those who run the show to let liberals run amok. It's pretty funny when people talk about double standards, but don't realize that it's all intentional.

lol I remember when it was coming out, all the liberal owned media kept trying to say cops were getting killed and such, when the only fatality was that girl the pigs shot in the back

Ehh, not so sure about that. He literally told people to follow the law the same day. Just because somebody doesn't say as much as you want them to say opposing something doesn't make them complicit. There's current day slavery happening right now in some countries. There, now you know, I can give you details if needed. If you don't go on a campaign against it, are you complicit? I wouldn't say so.Actually that persons comment is more realistic than yours. Most of them didn't do anything significant other than walk in. You have to acknowledge, Jan 6th was done by about 0.0001% of his followers and supporters, not even close to approaching 1% of them. Of the ones who were involved, most just walked in and walked around. A very small select few took part in worse actions.It's not acceptable but Trump didn't say hang MP. Some others did. Literally last week there was a local protest in my city where they said "kill all pigs" and "fck 12", are you saying if Biden doesn't go on camera opposing this, that Biden is effectively saying those things or supporting those messages? Of course he isn't. I don't agree with the way he handled things post election at all, but, your take is too biased imo.


it's also worth remembering what people were protesting. It wasn't simply the election and the possibility of missing ballots, it was 4 years of the most biased reporting from news agencies we've ever seen, and local government leaders shutting down the economy beyond reasonable limits, because they knew hard economic times would hurt his chances of reelection. It was 4 years of mostly fabricated stories and manipulation by major outlets we were supposed to trust. A lot of this intentional manipulation being the reason so many were against Trump, for reasons that weren't true.

Like Trump or dislike him, it's hard to deny that, and that's why people were pissed.

Solid reply and I can respect your opinion about my bias. This is how I see it, I was not anti Trump at all until his handling of the election defeat. I was pro Trump prior to election and I think he had good policies however I felt he was less able to improvise and adapt to the unexpected covid situation. I likely do have bias here and I also acknowledge I have not formed my opinion from complete and uncorrupted information.

I do acknowledge that only a small %age of Trump supporters participated and a lot of those that did were harmless, at worse naive and didn't really do anything seriously wrong and don't deserve much more than a slap on the wrist if even that. I agree the media and justice system has been hysterical in the prosecution of these people. A small proportion came dressed for violence, chanted violent slogans and some even engaged in violence. I condemn those in particular because even if they were just LARPers they contributed to creating a situation where real deal operators, be it foreign or domestic, republican or democrat could have used as a cover to slip in do real damage to democracy. That really happened and to ignore that and pretend it was all just political sports fans getting a bit carried away and invading the field to take selfies is not real life.

The next issue is where I think our points of view differ significantly. I watched the events of leading up to and culminating in Jan 6th and this is my genuine take on it, bias and all. Trump fermented that angry mob and directed their anger at Mike Pence. Yes of course he added disclaimer statements to avoid any actual treason charges but I believe his message was clear and understood by certain paramilitary groups and wannabe paramilitary groups alike and this is what lead to things becoming violent and I believe Trump did this to intimidate Mike Pence into not ratifying the election results, which would have effectively been a coup. So I believe he attempted a coup.

Your analogy with the local protest against police is lacking in it's comparison to Jan 6th for the following reasons. Firstly, has Biden been vocal in encouraging anger against the police in the lead up to this? Secondly is this anything near an issue for the federal government as a protest against an election at capitol hill?

My opinion that Trump had a duty to say more to prevent Jan 6th turning into what it did comes from his actions in creating it in the first place. Does Biden have a comparable direct responsibility for this anti police protest?

I certainly agree that somebody in authority should be actively addressing "kill all pigs" slogans. "**** 12" is less violent but in the context of kill all pigs should probably be included. Somebody in authority should be addressing this, explaining the importance of police, the fact the majority of them are hard working people doing good for the community and that their exists proper systems for addressing those who do the wrong thing and there is no place for mob violence in this. Is the President the appropriate person in authority to do this? Maybe, if this protest is big enough and I would like respect Biden more if he did but I'm not sure it's an apt comparison with a protest against a federal election at capitol hill which is much more clearly within the President's area of responsibility.

I do understand why people are pissed but thanks for explaining that further. I don't like the way politics are conducted, I think it should be less emotive and more intellectual but I think the system we have is about the best system that is possible with human nature being what it is but we should always strive to be better and I appreciate that is what you are trying to do here, even if we don't agree on everything. I commend your intellectual approach to this.

Man... it's so rare to get an actual conversation with somebody with opposing views, and even more rare for their reply to be logical and fair. Kudos to you for doing that. This above section is 100% accurate and something I fully agree with.
Yeah....... I wish more people debated like you. I can't entirely disagree with you in good faith. He is responsible for fanning the flames, and he did allow the pressure on Pence hoping he wouldn't certify. I guess from here, we could break the argument down into two categories.

1. Is he morally responsible, things you can't measure like body language, general behavior, etc. I'd have a hard time arguing against you here, he's in some part responsible. That's who he is, he's flamboyant, doesn't have any censor, plays on emotions and uses theatrics.

2. Is he legally guilty, did he explicitly call for violence or falsifying information in an effort to remain president. From my current knowledge, I'd think no. We all know Trump relied (likely too much) on social media. At the time of all this, there were videos going around of people tossing ballots. Whether real or not, he didn't know at that time, nobody did. Investigations take time. It seems more likely to me that he called the Governor and said "find the votes" as a genuine "these bastards are clearly trying to keep me out and throwing away ballots of legitimate votes for me, go find them." that's what it seems like he was saying. If I'm correct, these charges and indictments seem like a slight manipulation of the law to pin somebody who might be morally guilty but not legally/technically guilty, which is of course, incredibly concerning if true. Granted, I'm no attorney. Both situations here (his behavior, and the prosecution) are concerning to me.
Eh, I'd say that yes, Biden participated in narratives that suggest the police are far more bad than they are. Biden has pandered totheirside of crazy nearly as much as Trump pandered to his side of crazy, and that narrative that Biden supported was very often saying "F the police", etc. He fanned those flames as well, him and many Democrats who allowed it are (morally) complicit in that trend in the US.
I'd challenge your idea that Trump created this narrative of a "fake" election. I think the right has a messaging flaw, they don't seem to nail the messaging of their ideas, but their ideas are sometimes legitimate. As I said earlier, most people on the right were less concerned with the election itself, they were angry that there was 4 years of a truly astonishing amount of lies and manipulation by major media outlets that are left leaning top down. People had to sit there and witness 4 years of the most biased coverage you could imagine. While Trump has tons of flaws, they exaggerated and lied about them daily, as in not even subtly but bold faced lied about him year after year, riling up the crazies on the left, leading them to riot and destroy so much in nearly every city in the US. I think when people say the election was rigged, they mean that the public (or some percentage of it) was manipulated and fed propaganda for 4 years to get him out of office, and that's the part they're referring to with "fake" comments. On that note, I agree with "them" and it's a scary trend how powerful that anti-Trump fake propaganda was. Simultaneously you'll just have to trust that I don't support everything of Trump, by any stretch. I actually supported Hillary in '16. Funny enough, in some weird psychological twist, the amount of fake propaganda supported by power structures in the media made me find myself defending Trump a lot, in spite of them. I'd bet (ironically) that's how he has the support that he does.
Cheers, you'd be a cool person to get a beer with. You're the exact type of person I wish all of my political "opponents" were. The country would be far better off.

Just in case you guys don't know, that building is literally open to the public. Most days, you can simply walk in and hang out, I've done it. You can also get really thorough tours for like $20, it's awesome.


I'm just trying to remind everyone this wasn't the white house, this was a big open public capitol building closed down for the event. The white house is a few blocks away.

The people of the US own that building, at least ostensibly. While there are certainly some limits, "don't go on government (i.e., public) property without permission" is a slave mentality. The elected officials are only inside of there with our permission.

Lol do they actually think that whoever occupied a physical space or building in the US actually controls the government?

“Oh man, they capture our flag! Woooweeee boyos, they did it. Damn. That guy with the animal skins runs the entire government now”

People are legit dumb af

hahaha

i automatically dismiss any ideas, thoughts, or opinions from anyone who's low iq enough to have been fooled by the Jan 6th circus act

Bro those are just peaceful protestors taking selfies being escorted into the Capitol by the police!

Omg they’re taking over the government lol it’s an insurrection lol!!

I’m literally shivering with fear rn srs

Literally breaking down doors and ignoring orders from armed security to do what?.... say hi to their reps?

Lmao you people are clueless.

Triggered child molester is triggered

Literally shaking rn. Worst invasion since amphibious invasion of Europe during WW2.

It’s capture the flag! If they can just make it in and sit in the big chair, they get all the power! Wow we came so close to being ruled by lateral NAZIS Omg I’m srsly crying rn

I thoroughly enjoy laughing at such people until I remember they walk among us

Saw this today lol