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post 1690275833 09-18-2023, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
A good answer is to not elect a con artist like Trump. That's a start.
That wasn’t an answer. That was a non answer.
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Marxism/Communism and socialism in general, at least in America, are nothing more than a neoliberal psyop, or more properly, a high finance, banking, and industrialist psyop. Those predatory capitalists seem to always come out clean and even with more profit and power whenever something "socialist" takes place economically or politically. The recent covid pandemic (so-called) was an example. Who came out with more money and power? The highest levels of capitalists and their shabbos goyim in a variety of nations (who dominate other nations in a simple yet brutal hierarchy) made money, did what they wanted throughout, and have more power than ever on a global scale.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
A good answer is to not elect a con artist like Trump. That's a start.
You voted for Clinton and for Biden and you voted for Newsom.....
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post 1690278503 09-18-2023, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted By freeheeler⏩
You voted for Clinton and for Biden and you voted for Newsom.....
Tell me why you support Trump. Give specific/concrete reasons and examples why.

I will wait.
Republicans are weak men who pretend to be strong

Democrats are strong men who pretend to be weak
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Cliffs;

#15- Take control of one or both political parties. Democrat party happened first, but RINOs are the socialists in sheep’s clothing. So essentially they have both parties at this point.

#17- Gain control of the schools. “Soften the curriculum” with propaganda and dumb down education to make the youth more easily controlled. Gain control of teacher’s associations.

#20- Infiltrate the press. Implement propaganda in books, textbooks, and media. Gain a key role in shows and movies.

#32- Push any and all socialist agendas and ideas to gain control over the culture; Social agencies, MENTAL HEALTH…

#40- Discredit the family and the institution of marriage. Promote promiscuous behavior. Make divorce easier, and find ways to get children away from parents. Suppress the influence of parents.

Drive a wedge based on anything social; religion, race, age, income, gender, political affiliation…

Now look at those among us who push these agendas on the forums, and in our lives. Help them see that we are not the enemy. That the ideas of communism and the politicians who push them are the real enemy.
Aside from the last one (divorce rate) marxist/anarchist travelers had those fields infiltrated and dominated by the early 1900's.

See the chit George Orwell had to go through just to get Animal Farm published.
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post 1690279433 09-18-2023, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted By HaiMeesk⏩
Aside from the last one (divorce rate) marxist/anarchist travelers had those fields infiltrated and dominated by the early 1900's.

See the chit George Orwell had to go through just to get Animal Farm published.
Orwell was a socialist.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Socialism is defined as “State control over the means of production”. The state is also defined as the public sector, AKA, collective. Capitalism is the private individual, not a collective.
Socialism advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
post 1690279583 09-18-2023, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Orwell was a socialist.
He wasn't the right type of socialist.
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post 1690279703 09-18-2023, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
Trump spent more money per year than Obama did.
Lol @ dipchit here ignoring facts as always, proving once again he knows nothing..typical lib. Has to jump to Trump when he realizes he is the Commie.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Socialism advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
no one has any incentive to produce anything in a communist system. it's been tried dozens of times.

And before you say, “but China”..China is an capitalist country that happens to have an autocratic ruling party that has ‘communist’ in its name. That is all. China capitalizes on the international market and needs other countries to survive via imports and exports.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
A good answer is to not elect a con artist like Trump. That's a start.
Absolute pathetic low IQ moran here

You are quickly becoming more of a moron than NYPat is.

The fact that you have no idea that the things that Biden have done/are doing over shadows anything Trump could ever do

Trump was already a billionaire when he got into politics, Biden enriched himself because of politics and the fact that you can't even identify that as a problem just negates any and all arguments you have about literally anything


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post 1690280493 09-18-2023, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
no one has any incentive to produce anything in a communist system. it's been tried dozens of times.

And before you say, “but China”..China is an capitalist country that happens to have an autocratic ruling party that has ‘communist’ in its name. That is all. China capitalizes on the international market and needs other countries to survive via imports and exports.
Mixing and matching terms, definitions, and philosophies is something one can do
post 1690280633 09-18-2023, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Mixing and matching terms, definitions, and philosophies is something you can do
Not understanding what those terms, definitions & philosophies mean is something you can do.
post 1690281053 09-18-2023, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Not understanding what those terms, definitions & philosophies mean is something you can do.
Can, yes. But didn't

I provided a primary tenet of socialism, which Kraken misrepresented. Then you responded with communism and capitalist china stuff
post 1690281253 09-18-2023, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Can, yes. But didn't

I provided a primary tenet of socialism, which Kraken misrepresented. Then you responded with communism and capitalist china stuff
Because socialism is a slippery slope to communism, just like when we said gay marriage rights is a slippery slope to p3doism..understand now?
post 1690281523 09-18-2023, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Because socialism is a slippery slope to communism, just like when we said gay marriage rights is a slippery slope to p3doism..understand now?
No.

But, your style of argument and logic are nearly impossible to follow.
post 1690281853 09-18-2023, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Socialism advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
What socialists believe and what socialism is in reality can be two different things.

The theory is that it’s the collective, or the public sector, that takes control over the means of production. Ultimately the state always gets involved, because socialism always fails, and the state must step in to keep it alive. Your definition is based on the lack of applied evidence; the real world processes and end. The definition I gave is the most accurate based on evidence of application, and encompasses the whole of socialism. State = public sector, collectives, and government = socialism. Private = individual = capitalism.

Basing definitions on the idea is Marxist, because Marxism is purely dialectical, and not based on reality. A real scientist/economist bases definitions on reality and everything we know.
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
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post 1690281923 09-18-2023, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
No.

But, your style of argument and logic are nearly impossible to follow.
Only because your posts do not follow any logic.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
What socialists believe and what socialism is in reality can be two different things.

The theory is that it’s the collective, or the public sector, that takes control over the means of production. Ultimately the state always gets involved, because socialism always fails, and the state must step in to keep it alive. Your definition is based on the lack of applied evidence; the real world processes and end. The definition I gave is the most accurate based on evidence of application, and encompasses the whole of socialism. State = public sector, collectives, and government = socialism. Private = individual = capitalism.

Basing definitions on the idea is Marxist, because Marxism is purely dialectical, and not based on reality. A real scientist/economist bases definitions on reality and everything we know.
It's not my definition. What I provided was a primary tenet of the philosophy.

These concepts are philosophical not scientific. Ideas, thoughts, theories, and philosophies. If anything that hasn't been realized in practice is meaningless, how can one advocate for a free market economy?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
It's not my definition. What I provided was a primary tenet of the philosophy.
I don’t use propaganda as my basis of definitions and arguments.
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
If anything that hasn't been realized in practice is meaningless, how can one advocate for a free market economy?
Scientific methods.

Breakdown groups in to individuals. Track their decisions.

Collect data of economic markers.

Compare policy affects before and after, being mindful of length and points of time measured.

No policy = more free market
Policy = less free market

America is the social experiment of free market vs totalitarianism/socialism. So far, the results are heavily in favor of the free market. Almost every complaint that the socialist has about our economy is actually the result of government intervention, NOT capitalism, but Marxists/socialists believe we are still capitalist purely based on private ownership and complete disregard for government intervention.
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
I don’t use propaganda as my basis of definitions and arguments.



Scientific methods.

Breakdown groups in to individuals. Track their decisions.

Collect data of economic markers.

Compare policy affects before and after, being mindful of length and points of time measured.

No policy = more free market
Policy = less free market

America is the social experiment of free market vs totalitarianism/socialism. So far, the results are heavily in favor of the free market. Almost every complaint that the socialist has about our economy is actually the result of government intervention, NOT capitalism, but Marxists/socialists believe we are still capitalist purely based on private ownership and complete disregard for government intervention.
I dunno why you're trying to appeal to science. Weird flex, but okay.

A free market economy has never existed.

By the presented logic, free market economies should thus not be considered nor discussed as options for society.
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Is this an episode of Dumb and Dumber, The Communist Years?
Best thread: http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=168274783
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Originally Posted By ImpressiveGainz⏩
Is this an episode of Dumb and Dumber, The Communist Years?
Kinda.

Or hypocrisy, the hypocrite years
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I dunno why you're trying to appeal to science. Weird flex, but okay.

A free market economy has never existed.

By the presented logic, free market economies should thus not be considered nor discussed as options for society.
More commie speak.
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
More commie speak.
If that helps you rationalize the hypocrisy or assuage the cognitive dissonance, I'm cool with it
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
If that helps you rationalize the hypocrisy or assuage the cognitive dissonance, I'm cool with it
Commie using big words to sound intelligent. JLC is obviously suffering from Dunning Kruger, and to hide it, he’s using subterfuge and ideological nonsense. Marx would be proud.
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Commie using big words to sound intelligent. JLC is obviously suffering from Dunning Kruger, and to hide it, he’s using subterfuge and ideological nonsense. Marx would be proud.
Great points!

Such demonstration of free market instantiation
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Socialism advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Which still means state-controlled production. Do you think factories are just going to have no upper management and run purely by the people?
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Originally Posted By swoleyo⏩
Which still means state-controlled production. Do you think factories are just going to have no upper management and run purely by the people?
No.

Unless you think community = state.

Are capital holders considered the state?

As I've said previously, the current state of human nature makes communism and anarchism untenable.
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Originally Posted By ImpressiveGainz⏩
Is this an episode of Dumb and Dumber, The Communist Years?
It is. To the commie, everything is just ideas and dialect. Spit some facts, and they respond with insults and deflections.

Marx stated that science could never explain society, nor the economy, so Marxists disregard the idea of science in economics. Socioeconomics, sociology, psychology, praxeology...they're all a product of capitalist propaganda. If the socialist applied science to his ideology, it would all break down, so he must deny its legitimacy.

Praxeology is the scientific approach to economics: it is the antithesis of Marxism.
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Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
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