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Originally Posted By BigElephant⏩
Again, you are asking people to go against their natures. Average men prefer to bang a fattie than to remain sexless, and Chads prefer to engage in casual sex rather than NOT and instead wait for that special someone and remain monogamous to her for the rest of the Chads life lol.You can still try to get female interaction without simping. Men need to stop simping and spending money out the ass on women. Men need to stop being desperate and disregard overweight/fat women completely. I don't even consider them as potential dates. I've turned down meeting up with matches on dating apps because they were overweight and I'm a virgin. I would rather stay that way than date/marry/bang a whale.
And yes, Chads need to cut out the casual sex as well. How retarded is it to hate on sloot culture and pontificate about meeting a trad wife with a low body count when the same guy is out pumping and dumping, contributing to sloot culture. You think a trad wife wants a man whore who fukked 50 women and ate their asses as the father of her children? Sex should go back to being for serious relationships only, between couples who plan on being together for the long haul.
And yes, Chads need to cut out the casual sex as well. How retarded is it to hate on sloot culture and pontificate about meeting a trad wife with a low body count when the same guy is out pumping and dumping, contributing to sloot culture. You think a trad wife wants a man whore who fukked 50 women and ate their asses as the father of her children? Sex should go back to being for serious relationships only, between couples who plan on being together for the long haul.
If we gonna attack the problem we gotta start with being realistic man. Men with options will never stop fuking these options, sloots or not. And no, women wont give a **** about how many sloots has a man banged, if he is the man of their dreams and is getting in one knee in front of them asking to marry them. Women dont give a **** about that
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Originally Posted By DolphinPilot⏩
I do think we could see it being appealing for some people to leave western society in the future. Especially as more and more people realize how hollow an an existence it offers. Basically living isolated and only using the modern world for perhaps serious medical treatment.I think with the proliferation of porn, porn becoming mainstream, the push to introduce sexuality to young teens if not children, the continuation of hookup culture, the pool if men actually getting laid narrowing, etc. will all lead to a crisis of sexuality where everyone is overstimulated and nobody cares about it anymore. The schism between men and women will widen and deepen and men and women will become alienated and apathetic toward each other. New technology and AI lovers a la that film Her will be the new normal.
There may be a return to old ways if enough people separate from western society and live among the Amish or build their own separatist community.
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There may be a return to old ways if enough people separate from western society and live among the Amish or build their own separatist community.
If you want things to change then don't participate in what leads to societies' degradation
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Originally Posted By propreffered7⏩
Top 20% is a dating app, hookup sort of thing. Humans are polygamous, but the real degree is probably lower than 5 to 1.billy beta who's not good with women. i agree.. but like i said, an avg guy who has all the other attributes?
anyways, i was just thinking about making a thread.. i just.. don't really like attention. but i don't think hypergamy is accurate at all. like.. its maybe true.. a lil bit, but the efficacy has to be really low. if you take your avg. night out, and take hypergamy.. then all girls will be around like 2-5 guys.. or maybe even 1. but if you go to your avg. decent night spot, you know there's wayyyy more than that going on. yes, it may be true one guy gets more than others but overall? is every guy there in the "Top 20%"
its true women want something good, but there's no way hypergamy really includes "the top 20%"
it's the "top 20%" in a metric fuk ton of parameters. so much so it prob can't be quantified
anyways, i was just thinking about making a thread.. i just.. don't really like attention. but i don't think hypergamy is accurate at all. like.. its maybe true.. a lil bit, but the efficacy has to be really low. if you take your avg. night out, and take hypergamy.. then all girls will be around like 2-5 guys.. or maybe even 1. but if you go to your avg. decent night spot, you know there's wayyyy more than that going on. yes, it may be true one guy gets more than others but overall? is every guy there in the "Top 20%"
its true women want something good, but there's no way hypergamy really includes "the top 20%"
it's the "top 20%" in a metric fuk ton of parameters. so much so it prob can't be quantified
One is that in mammals, size difference between males and females correlates with how polygamous they are. Eg, sea lion males are 3x bigger than females, and sea Chads each get like 20 sea bishes to themselves. Human size differences by sex are a lot smaller - it's like 10% by average weight. I forget the formula used, but that size difference predicts like a 30% polygamy rate.
The other is sex-chromosome variability. Men get the X chromosome from their mom, and the Y chromosome from their dad. And researchers found that in skeletal remains and chit, there were 50% more different X versions running around than Ys... so there were 2x more moms than dads.
I would guess that the natural rate of human polygamy falls somewhere in that 30%-50% zone. Like 2 chicks for every 1 Chad, or 3 chicks for 2 guys.
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11-22-2023, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted By FA*******⏩
I don't think it's as simple in humans cause of the social hierarchyTop 20% is a dating app, hookup sort of thing. Humans are polygamous, but the real degree is probably lower than 5 to 1.
One is that in mammals, size difference between males and females correlates with how polygamous they are. Eg, sea lion males are 3x bigger than females, and sea Chads each get like 20 sea bishes to themselves. Human size differences by sex are a lot smaller - it's like 10% by average weight. I forget the formula used, but that size difference predicts like a 30% polygamy rate.
The other is sex-chromosome variability. Men get the X chromosome from their mom, and the Y chromosome from their dad. And researchers found that in skeletal remains and chit, there were 50% more different X versions running around than Ys... so there were 2x more moms than dads.
I would guess that the natural rate of human polygamy falls somewhere in that 30%-50% zone. Like 2 chicks for every 1 Chad, or 3 chicks for 2 guys.
One is that in mammals, size difference between males and females correlates with how polygamous they are. Eg, sea lion males are 3x bigger than females, and sea Chads each get like 20 sea bishes to themselves. Human size differences by sex are a lot smaller - it's like 10% by average weight. I forget the formula used, but that size difference predicts like a 30% polygamy rate.
The other is sex-chromosome variability. Men get the X chromosome from their mom, and the Y chromosome from their dad. And researchers found that in skeletal remains and chit, there were 50% more different X versions running around than Ys... so there were 2x more moms than dads.
I would guess that the natural rate of human polygamy falls somewhere in that 30%-50% zone. Like 2 chicks for every 1 Chad, or 3 chicks for 2 guys.
You might laugh but the 6'2 brah (physical attributes) vs. The best wordsmith poet.
There's gonna be some that go for 6'2 and some that go for the poet. Dead srs
Or think of like an ugly rock and roll musician like mick jagger
The point is I'm not sure which one is "better" - it almost depends on your mood 6'2 brah with not much else going for him vs. Dude with a skill many people like
Anyways, I hope you learn to be confident in who you are and display it. Srs
11-22-2023, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted By BigElephant⏩
Thats where you get it wrong my man, men and women are very different and we have different standards for different things. Men have a list of things they want in a woman and women have a list of things they want in a men, and these lists are not the same, in fact they differ a lot other than obviously attractiveness which is something both genders value a lot.I'm asking men to apply the same standards to themselves that they do to women. A man has no right to complain about sloots when he's pumping and dumping through casual hookups.And if average men remained sexless for a while, it would force the whales to improve themselves and then there would be more non-fat women out there for everyone.
And sloots dgaf about a man's body count, but the ever rarer "trad wife" is definitely going to care. If she's privy to his history, she'll know that he's probably got at least herpes or HPV by that point, and who is to say that he won't cheat on her if they have a fight or when she gets old?
The casualization of sex is a huge problem. It's all over the media. When I was in HS it was a big deal when a kid brought in a Playboy that he found or his dad or uncle gave him. Now HS and MS kids are a google search away from hardcore porn. Neither myself nor any of my friends had sex in HS. I can't speak for them, but I didn't even really consider it. Many of them had longterm GFs too. It didn't seem to hurt them in their enjoyment of life, or developing into healthy adults with good careers and relationships. Half of them are married now and have successful careers and children.
And sloots dgaf about a man's body count, but the ever rarer "trad wife" is definitely going to care. If she's privy to his history, she'll know that he's probably got at least herpes or HPV by that point, and who is to say that he won't cheat on her if they have a fight or when she gets old?
The casualization of sex is a huge problem. It's all over the media. When I was in HS it was a big deal when a kid brought in a Playboy that he found or his dad or uncle gave him. Now HS and MS kids are a google search away from hardcore porn. Neither myself nor any of my friends had sex in HS. I can't speak for them, but I didn't even really consider it. Many of them had longterm GFs too. It didn't seem to hurt them in their enjoyment of life, or developing into healthy adults with good careers and relationships. Half of them are married now and have successful careers and children.
Ill give you an example:
Im a tall man, that doesnt mean i want a tall woman.
I have tattoos, but at the same time i dont like tattoos in women
Im very masculine and like to take the role of a leadership in the relationship, that doesnt mean i want a masculine woman that wants to be the leadership
I make very good money and like to be the provider, that doesnt mean i want a woman that makes very good money and wants to be a provider
I engage in casual sex, that doesnt mean i like woman that also engage in casual sex.
You see the logic? Relationships are a trade-off, but its not an exchange of exactly equal traits and characteristics. Every person has a combination of things to offer, and a combination of things they want in a partner. I can offer to women x, y and z and in exchange i want a woman that offers a,b and c.
So i can be a man that has banged plenty of women, and STILL dont want to settle for a woman that has banged plenty of men, because i have things to offer that could get me a woman that hasnt been with a lot of men. This idea that theres a rule or a law written in an invisible book that we have to offer exactly what we want is simply a fantasy.
That would be like telling to a fat guy that he cant expect to be with a thin woman. Well, if he has money, a good face, charisma, status, he can and will most definitely be with a thin woman, even if he doesnt "offer" a thin body himself.
Agree with pretty much the rest of your post, but im just saying, you cant expect people to not do what they want to do and go against their own inher desires just to help everyone in society that is struggling. That isnt a humane trait, its simply pointless to bring it up as a solution. If you were in the shoes of a highly attractive and desired male that could bang a different hottie every day of the week, and you were enjoying your life to the fullest, and a virgin man demanded you to stop having sex with these women for the better of society, you would laugh your ass off at that.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Good, more for me.Ill give you an example:
Im a tall man, that doesnt mean i want a tall woman.
Im a tall man, that doesnt mean i want a tall woman.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Well I think the bigger picture is that in the current era women are mostly getting everything they want; female nature at the moment is thriving and not being stifled or controlled (to a degree...). If men had unfettered access to as much sex as they wanted it does contribute to the problems we are seeing as well. If women should have their nature controlled or mitigated then so should men. Otherwise I don't see a way to manage dudes getting as much as possible without it causing problems when the pendulum swings back.Thats where you get it wrong my man, men and women are very different and we have different standards for different things. Men have a list of things they want in a woman and women have a list of things they want in a men, and these lists are not the same, in fact they differ a lot other than obviously attractiveness which is something both genders value a lot.
Ill give you an example:
Im a tall man, that doesnt mean i want a tall woman.
I have tattoos, but at the same time i dont like tattoos in women
Im very masculine and like to take the role of a leadership in the relationship, that doesnt mean i want a masculine woman that wants to be the leadership
I make very good money and like to be the provider, that doesnt mean i want a woman that makes very good money and wants to be a provider
I engage in casual sex, that doesnt mean i like woman that also engage in casual sex.
You see the logic? Relationships are a trade-off, but its not an exchange of exactly equal traits and characteristics. Every person has a combination of things to offer, and a combination of things they want in a partner. I can offer to women x, y and z and in exchange i want a woman that offers a,b and c.
So i can be a man that has banged plenty of women, and STILL dont want to settle for a woman that has banged plenty of men, because i have things to offer that could get me a woman that hasnt been with a lot of men. This idea that theres a rule or a law written in an invisible book that we have to offer exactly what we want is simply a fantasy.
That would be like telling to a fat guy that he cant expect to be with a thin woman. Well, if he has money, a good face, charisma, status, he can and will most definitely be with a thin woman, even if he doesnt "offer" a thin body himself.
Agree with pretty much the rest of your post, but im just saying, you cant expect people to not do what they want to do and go against their own inher desires just to help everyone in society that is struggling. That isnt a humane trait, its simply pointless to bring it up as a solution. If you were in the shoes of a highly attractive and desired male that could bang a different hottie every day of the week, and you were enjoying your life to the fullest, and a virgin man demanded you to stop having sex with these women for the better of society, you would laugh your ass off at that.
Ill give you an example:
Im a tall man, that doesnt mean i want a tall woman.
I have tattoos, but at the same time i dont like tattoos in women
Im very masculine and like to take the role of a leadership in the relationship, that doesnt mean i want a masculine woman that wants to be the leadership
I make very good money and like to be the provider, that doesnt mean i want a woman that makes very good money and wants to be a provider
I engage in casual sex, that doesnt mean i like woman that also engage in casual sex.
You see the logic? Relationships are a trade-off, but its not an exchange of exactly equal traits and characteristics. Every person has a combination of things to offer, and a combination of things they want in a partner. I can offer to women x, y and z and in exchange i want a woman that offers a,b and c.
So i can be a man that has banged plenty of women, and STILL dont want to settle for a woman that has banged plenty of men, because i have things to offer that could get me a woman that hasnt been with a lot of men. This idea that theres a rule or a law written in an invisible book that we have to offer exactly what we want is simply a fantasy.
That would be like telling to a fat guy that he cant expect to be with a thin woman. Well, if he has money, a good face, charisma, status, he can and will most definitely be with a thin woman, even if he doesnt "offer" a thin body himself.
Agree with pretty much the rest of your post, but im just saying, you cant expect people to not do what they want to do and go against their own inher desires just to help everyone in society that is struggling. That isnt a humane trait, its simply pointless to bring it up as a solution. If you were in the shoes of a highly attractive and desired male that could bang a different hottie every day of the week, and you were enjoying your life to the fullest, and a virgin man demanded you to stop having sex with these women for the better of society, you would laugh your ass off at that.
I believe both sexes having limits and controls on their instincts is good for a society. That's where I agree that men should walk away from hookup culture. Women are the gatekeepers to sex and with a culture that puts excess importance on sex women will always have the power to control men.
But at this point it's like trying to put the genie back in the bottle.
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Originally Posted By DolphinPilot⏩
Monogamy 100% benefits society as a whole, but doesnt benefit the invividuals that hold the most power over the potential change, aka the "high value men". These men check themselves out of the game and wont ever be monogamous, even in the most uthopic and monogamous era of modern society (aka the 20th century) men at this level werent monogamous (they would just have mistresses, girlfriends, whole diff families etc). Lets keep these type of men out of the picture, they wont be forced to monogamy, let alone in 2023, its a waste of everybody's time.Well I think the bigger picture is that in the current era women are mostly getting everything they want; female nature at the moment is thriving and not being stifled or controlled (to a degree...). If men had unfettered access to as much sex as they wanted it does contribute to the problems we are seeing as well. If women should have their nature controlled or mitigated then so should men. Otherwise I don't see a way to manage dudes getting as much as possible without it causing problems when the pendulum swings back.
I believe both sexes having limits and controls on their instincts is good for a society. That's where I agree that men should walk away from hookup culture. Women are the gatekeepers to sex and with a culture that puts excess importance on sex women will always have the power to control men.
But at this point it's like trying to put the genie back in the bottle.
I believe both sexes having limits and controls on their instincts is good for a society. That's where I agree that men should walk away from hookup culture. Women are the gatekeepers to sex and with a culture that puts excess importance on sex women will always have the power to control men.
But at this point it's like trying to put the genie back in the bottle.
For anything to happen, women need to wake the fuk up, not men. As you say, women are the gatekeepers. If women didnt have as much casual sex, if women didnt get into so many gotdamn "situationships", if women actually waited for some sort of feelings or a bit of commitment before giving it up, things would get better. In a world where women give it up as easy as they do today, that removes a huge incentive for a serious relationship from the perspective of men, which is sex. Sex is the best card women have for them to exchange for a serious relationship, and as long as they give that card up as easily as they do right now, then they wont have that leverage.
Think about it, if women all over the world decided right now that they wont ever have sex again until marriage, and actually followed trough, men wouldnt have any other realistic option but to get married in order to get such a basic need as sex. You would have a world full of monogamous people. Thats Uthopia, but we got fairly close to that the last century.
Women not being promiscuous benefits women and the men that arent at the top 20%, aka the average and below average men. And since both women and these men are the ones complaining about things right now, its their responsibility to fix it. Men at the top dont give a ****, in fact, they will do whatever they can to keep having it their way, if you are an attractive succesful man in 2023 you are playing Pokemon Red with a lvl 100 Mewtwo in your party lol
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Originally Posted By BigElephant⏩
I actually agree. Men used to only have sex with one woman or a few if lucky and were seemingly better for it. Think and Grow Rich is all about the sexual transmutation of energy. I think men are wired more for sex but having ONS or fuking strangers on the first date shouldn't be normal imo. We're all guilty of it but every time you like a girls pic, hit on them while they're half naked, or give them attention at bars or clubs the more they think it's okay. A large part of this is us rewarding sloot behavior with views, likes, or even worse OF simping.They don't dress like e-girls for no reason. It wasn't a big deal when you'd have to hit on them IRL but liking pics takes less courage and seemingly provides a similar dopamine boost for girls.I'm asking men to apply the same standards to themselves that they do to women. A man has no right to complain about sloots when he's pumping and dumping through casual hookups. And if average men remained sexless for a while, it would force the whales to improve themselves and then there would be more non-fat women out there for everyone.
And sloots dgaf about a man's body count, but the ever rarer "trad wife" is definitely going to care. If she's privy to his history, she'll know that he's probably got at least herpes or HPV by that point, and who is to say that he won't cheat on her if they have a fight or when she gets old?
The casualization of sex is a huge problem. It's all over the media. When I was in HS it was a big deal when a kid brought in a Playboy that he found or his dad or uncle gave him. Now HS and MS kids are a google search away from hardcore porn. Neither myself nor any of my friends had sex in HS. I can't speak for them, but I didn't even really consider it. Many of them had longterm GFs too. It didn't seem to hurt them in their enjoyment of life, or developing into healthy adults with good careers and relationships. Half of them are married now and have successful careers and children.
And sloots dgaf about a man's body count, but the ever rarer "trad wife" is definitely going to care. If she's privy to his history, she'll know that he's probably got at least herpes or HPV by that point, and who is to say that he won't cheat on her if they have a fight or when she gets old?
The casualization of sex is a huge problem. It's all over the media. When I was in HS it was a big deal when a kid brought in a Playboy that he found or his dad or uncle gave him. Now HS and MS kids are a google search away from hardcore porn. Neither myself nor any of my friends had sex in HS. I can't speak for them, but I didn't even really consider it. Many of them had longterm GFs too. It didn't seem to hurt them in their enjoyment of life, or developing into healthy adults with good careers and relationships. Half of them are married now and have successful careers and children.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
I think this all requires a religious undertone to work. Otherwise people are rather hollow and just go where the wind blows. One where even those top men aren't exalted for their sexual exploits -- they are actually looked down upon even amongst men...who as a whole live for a higher purpose than simple degeneracy. As of now people are running away from God and clown world is what you get as a result.Monogamy 100% benefits society as a whole, but doesnt benefit the invividuals that hold the most power over the potential change, aka the "high value men". These men check themselves out of the game and wont ever be monogamous, even in the most uthopic and monogamous era of modern society (aka the 20th century) men at this level werent monogamous (they would just have mistresses, girlfriends, whole diff families etc). Lets keep these type of men out of the picture, they wont be forced to monogamy, let alone in 2023, its a waste of everybody's time.
For anything to happen, women need to wake the fuk up, not men. As you say, women are the gatekeepers. If women didnt have as much casual sex, if women didnt get into so many gotdamn "situationships", if women actually waited for some sort of feelings or a bit of commitment before giving it up, things would get better. In a world where women give it up as easy as they do today, that removes a huge incentive for a serious relationship from the perspective of men, which is sex. Sex is the best card women have for them to exchange for a serious relationship, and as long as they give that card up as easily as they do right now, then they wont have that leverage.
Think about it, if women all over the world decided right now that they wont ever have sex again until marriage, and actually followed trough, men wouldnt have any other realistic option but to get married in order to get such a basic need as sex. You would have a world full of monogamous people. Thats Uthopia, but we got fairly close to that the last century.
Women not being promiscuous benefits women and the men that arent at the top 20%, aka the average and below average men. And since both women and these men are the ones complaining about things right now, it's their responsibility to fix it. Men at the top dont give a ****, in fact, they will do whatever they can to keep having it their way, if you are an attractive succesful man in 2023 you are playing Pokemon Red with a lvl 100 Mewtwo in your party lol
For anything to happen, women need to wake the fuk up, not men. As you say, women are the gatekeepers. If women didnt have as much casual sex, if women didnt get into so many gotdamn "situationships", if women actually waited for some sort of feelings or a bit of commitment before giving it up, things would get better. In a world where women give it up as easy as they do today, that removes a huge incentive for a serious relationship from the perspective of men, which is sex. Sex is the best card women have for them to exchange for a serious relationship, and as long as they give that card up as easily as they do right now, then they wont have that leverage.
Think about it, if women all over the world decided right now that they wont ever have sex again until marriage, and actually followed trough, men wouldnt have any other realistic option but to get married in order to get such a basic need as sex. You would have a world full of monogamous people. Thats Uthopia, but we got fairly close to that the last century.
Women not being promiscuous benefits women and the men that arent at the top 20%, aka the average and below average men. And since both women and these men are the ones complaining about things right now, it's their responsibility to fix it. Men at the top dont give a ****, in fact, they will do whatever they can to keep having it their way, if you are an attractive succesful man in 2023 you are playing Pokemon Red with a lvl 100 Mewtwo in your party lol
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Originally Posted By orangetide⏩
Repped.The problem is weak men, not women.
Men as a whole stopped publicly shaming.
We stopped shaming women for being hoes, and we stopped bullying men for being feminine.
Women follow the dominant culture.
Where have the men been? Playing with Legos, funko pops, subscribing to OF and playing video games.
Men as a whole stopped publicly shaming.
We stopped shaming women for being hoes, and we stopped bullying men for being feminine.
Women follow the dominant culture.
Where have the men been? Playing with Legos, funko pops, subscribing to OF and playing video games.
Miscers are retarded.
The problem falls on men. Essentially big dumb monkeys with zero self control. The simps, the first date smashers, the Netflix n chill. How many threads are there on here of guys bragging about smashes followed by dudes giving them the thumbs up.
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
Definitely think we're past the peak. I was still in the college scene for most of it and it was rampant. There was a period from 2016-2022 where it was all new, exciting and empowering to be a huge sloot. Maybe they've fried all their dopamine cells with attention. The younger women who pioneered this bs now have a decision to make as to whether they wanna sloot for life or get married. Probably seeing how Kim Kardashian and Co are miserable in their 40s.Honestly, it's already heading back in the opposite direction a bit compared to like 1-2 years ago. Your average girl is still obviously a sloot, but they're being a bit more covert about it nowadays than just a couple years ago. I think word is getting around that the job market isn't as good as it has been, so they should avoid behaviors that could jeopardize future employment prospects.
I live on a college campus surrounded by girls 18-21 mostly. Like a year ago, the overall slooty behavior was may higher than it had ever been and the attention seeking behavior was honestly getting out of hand. Girls who had a 3.9 GPA in high school at one of the top universities in the US walking around wearing thongs down the sidewalk in the middle of the day.
The desire for attention seems to have died down a bit.
I live on a college campus surrounded by girls 18-21 mostly. Like a year ago, the overall slooty behavior was may higher than it had ever been and the attention seeking behavior was honestly getting out of hand. Girls who had a 3.9 GPA in high school at one of the top universities in the US walking around wearing thongs down the sidewalk in the middle of the day.
The desire for attention seems to have died down a bit.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Breh what you fail to realize is that for every average man, there's probably women who're average. And with inflation the dollar is getting weaker and weaker. So what does that mean? Unless women are earning $150k on average, LOL at thinking they just have free reign. A woman making $65k would happily split the bills with another man making $65k. And we aren't even taking into account the 1)women that are tired of wage slaving. 2)Women in debt pay check to pay check.This.
Women dont need men in 2023, and most likely wont need men in a long time. They earn their own money, they get their own things, they get dick whenever they want. That means women will be with the men they actuallywant.
So if you arent the type of men that women want, then yeah youve got to change that and do it quick.
And we gonna see polyamorous relationships in the future, much more than today. One guy with multiple chicks in the same house. Probably by early 2030's that **** is going to be mainstream, and a bunch of people sharing their experiences of it trough their social media which is going to make others follow the same path.
Women dont need men in 2023, and most likely wont need men in a long time. They earn their own money, they get their own things, they get dick whenever they want. That means women will be with the men they actuallywant.
So if you arent the type of men that women want, then yeah youve got to change that and do it quick.
And we gonna see polyamorous relationships in the future, much more than today. One guy with multiple chicks in the same house. Probably by early 2030's that **** is going to be mainstream, and a bunch of people sharing their experiences of it trough their social media which is going to make others follow the same path.
Yes women need men, they want us.
As far as your polygamous point, that's laughable. Women don't want to share a man, they're jealous possessive creatures
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey⏩
Its not those men's problem tho. Its retarded to expect a group of privileged people to solve the problems of the less privileged. Youd have to be really naive and have a very childish soul to expect the ones at the top to lower themselves in order to help the ones at the bottom raise.Repped.
Miscers are retarded.
The problem falls on men. Essentially big dumb monkeys with zero self control. The simps,the first date smashers, the Netflix n chill.How many threads are there on here of guys bragging about smashes followed by dudes giving them the thumbs up.
Miscers are retarded.
The problem falls on men. Essentially big dumb monkeys with zero self control. The simps,the first date smashers, the Netflix n chill.How many threads are there on here of guys bragging about smashes followed by dudes giving them the thumbs up.
Same happens with capitalism, we are all here discussing social culture topics in the comfort of our offices/homes, while theres a huge amount of people on earth that dont have access to food, clear running water, bathrooms etc let alone things like internet or social media. I dont see nobody donating their paycheck to people in Africa just as i wont see no Chad telling a hot young fit chick to not come to netflix and chill "for the better of society" lol
Originally Posted By eddiehaskell⏩
Yeah 100%. Religion and social shaming surely works. Sadly those two factors are irrelevant know. A religious and morally righteous society is in the opposite side of where the pendulum is swingin at right now.I think this all requires a religious undertone to work. Otherwise people are rather hollow and just go where the wind blows. One where even those top men aren't exalted for their sexual exploits -- they are actually looked down upon even amongst men...who as a whole live for a higher purpose than simple degeneracy. As of now people are running away from God and clown world is what you get as a result.
Feminism and social media really fuked society up. Its hard to know when this will be fixed if the vast majority of people dont even see those as the problem.
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey⏩
Women dont like sharing, but they prefer to share a top tier man than to have an average men for themselves. You have no idea how many guys have second girlfriends or mistresses that are in love with the guy regardless of the guy having a main woman already.Breh what you fail to realize is that for every average man, there's probably women who're average. And with inflation the dollar is getting weaker and weaker. So what does that mean? Unless women are earning $150k on average, LOL at thinking they just have free reign. A woman making $65k would happily split the bills with another man making $65k. And we aren't even taking into account the 1)women that are tired of wage slaving. 2)Women in debt pay check to pay check.
Yes women need men, they want us.
As far as your polygamous point, that's laughable. Women don't want to share a man, they're jealous possessive creatures
Yes women need men, they want us.
As far as your polygamous point, that's laughable. Women don't want to share a man, they're jealous possessive creatures
Humans arent monogamous.
And yeah i agree, women do need men, but simply not that much right now because we are living in a bubble. A bubble that will eventually have to burst. I dont know how modern women that are living paycheck to paycheck and spending their money in stupid ****, without investing any of it, expect to live when they are 60 or 70 with no man and no money coming in. ****s gonna get bad thats for sure, but thats gonna be in a couple of decades or more.
Polyamory gonna be extremely common by 2030 mark my words.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
If women wanted to share a rich successful man, they could have done so decades ago.One Chad with 20 women its kind of an exaggeration tho.
Im thinking 2 or maybe 3 women openly sharing a really attractive/successful man.Basically same as what happens nowadays, but openly instead of doing it behind everyone's backs. Kind of how it happens in many cultures/religions and how it has happened in many different eras of humanity.
One Chad wont have the stamina, time, energy or money to keep more than max 5 women entertained or fulfilled sexually and emotionally.
Im thinking 2 or maybe 3 women openly sharing a really attractive/successful man.Basically same as what happens nowadays, but openly instead of doing it behind everyone's backs. Kind of how it happens in many cultures/religions and how it has happened in many different eras of humanity.
One Chad wont have the stamina, time, energy or money to keep more than max 5 women entertained or fulfilled sexually and emotionally.
What rich man do you know personally or through social media that has multiple women? Unless you're telling me they all keep it a secret??
Number 2) Why do women divorce rich men and put him on child support/alimony? Shouldn't they stay with that man??
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Originally Posted By FA*******⏩
I doubt that any society has ever had a 30% polygyny rate. When you see statistics that we have 50% more female ancestors than male ancestors, that's the result of a small difference in every generation that accumulated over time. It doesn't mean that 30% of men in every generation were lifelong incels. Men probably had more like a 1-2% extra chance of dying childless, and over time that compounded as more and more men saw their line die out.Top 20% is a dating app, hookup sort of thing. Humans are polygamous, but the real degree is probably lower than 5 to 1.
One is that in mammals, size difference between males and females correlates with how polygamous they are. Eg, sea lion males are 3x bigger than females, and sea Chads each get like 20 sea bishes to themselves. Human size differences by sex are a lot smaller - it's like 10% by average weight. I forget the formula used, but that size difference predicts like a 30% polygamy rate.
The other is sex-chromosome variability. Men get the X chromosome from their mom, and the Y chromosome from their dad. And researchers found that in skeletal remains and chit, there were 50% more different X versions running around than Ys... so there were 2x more moms than dads.
I would guess that the natural rate of human polygamy falls somewhere in that 30%-50% zone. Like 2 chicks for every 1 Chad, or 3 chicks for 2 guys.
One is that in mammals, size difference between males and females correlates with how polygamous they are. Eg, sea lion males are 3x bigger than females, and sea Chads each get like 20 sea bishes to themselves. Human size differences by sex are a lot smaller - it's like 10% by average weight. I forget the formula used, but that size difference predicts like a 30% polygamy rate.
The other is sex-chromosome variability. Men get the X chromosome from their mom, and the Y chromosome from their dad. And researchers found that in skeletal remains and chit, there were 50% more different X versions running around than Ys... so there were 2x more moms than dads.
I would guess that the natural rate of human polygamy falls somewhere in that 30%-50% zone. Like 2 chicks for every 1 Chad, or 3 chicks for 2 guys.
Hunter/forager tribes and pre-modern agricultural societies both depended on extensive physical labor that only men could do. That, IMO, is the origin of monogamy: a tribe couldn't be successful unless it motivated all its men to work and contribute, and the best way to do that was to guarantee that the average man could get a woman and have kids. In order words, monogamy was a social pact between men. Even in muslim and East Asian societies where elite men were typically polygamous, monogamy was always the norm for society as a whole.
Technology has reduced the importance of physical strength for most jobs, devaluing the average man and his labor--that's destroyed the social pact. Meanwhile, the same labor-saving technology gives women the ability to compete with men for work in a way that was never possible before. The current sexual free-for-all isn't society reverting to a natural polygamous state, it's something totally unprecedented.
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey⏩
Decades ago it was frowned upon to be a mistress, be promiscuous, not be married by 30, etc, now that is obviously changing radically due to feminism (women dont need men as much as they needed them decades ago) , religion is non-existant, social media encourages promiscuity etc. Current world encourages women to be hypergamous, and i believe than in just a few years more, women will openly be hypergamous and agree to be in poly relationships, aka share a highly valuable man. Again this is not a rare occurence, it happens in many cultures and religions in the world and has happened many times in the history of mankind.If women wanted to share a rich successful man, they could have done so decades ago.
What rich man do you know personally or through social media that has multiple women? Unless you're telling me they all keep it a secret??
Number 2) Why do women divorce rich men and put him on child support/alimony? Shouldn't they stay with that man??
What rich man do you know personally or through social media that has multiple women? Unless you're telling me they all keep it a secret??
Number 2) Why do women divorce rich men and put him on child support/alimony? Shouldn't they stay with that man??
What man do i know that have multiple women? I know several man that have multiple women on rotation, and anybody with common sense will know that the most famous, richer, and attractive a man is the most women he will have. Poly relationships, as in "hi im john and i have 3 girlfriends" are not as common, yet, thats why i said this is going to become much more common by 2030+
And theres more to a man value than just his money. I dont think women divorce men that are rich, and also good looking, masculine, smart, charismatic, good lovers, etc. This is the type of man that i believe will have poly relationships in the future, the men at the absolute top 10-5%.
Also, i believe marriage is going to be irrelevant in the near future. Marriage rates will crash, as women refuse to marry average men and also men refuse to marry women that have been promiscuous, old, have no feminine skills or touch etc. Literally no incentive for marriage in 2023, its a stupid option, so its gonna be even worse in the future.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Women on rotation =/ Living and loving together.Decades ago it was frowned upon to be a mistress, be promiscuous, not be married by 30, etc, now that is obviously changing radically due to feminism (women dont need men as much as they needed them decades ago) , religion is non-existant, social media encourages promiscuity etc. Current world encourages women to be hypergamous, and i believe than in just a few years more, women will openly be hypergamous and agree to be in poly relationships, aka share a highly valuable man. Again this is not a rare occurence, it happens in many cultures and religions in the world and has happened many times in the history of mankind.
What man do i know that have multiple women? I know several man that have multiple women on rotation, and anybody with common sense will know that the most famous, richer, and attractive a man is the most women he will have. Poly relationships, as in "hi im john and i have 3 girlfriends" are not as common, yet, thats why i said this is going to become much more common by 2030+
And theres more to a man value than just his money. I dont think women divorce men that are rich, and also good looking, masculine, smart, charismatic, good lovers, etc. This is the type of man that i believe will have poly relationships in the future, the men at the absolute top 10-5%.
Also, i believe marriage is going to be irrelevant in the near future. Marriage rates will crash, as women refuse to marry average men and also men refuse to marry women that have been promiscuous, old, have no feminine skills or touch etc. Literally no incentive for marriage in 2023, its a stupid option, so its gonna be even worse in the future.
What man do i know that have multiple women? I know several man that have multiple women on rotation, and anybody with common sense will know that the most famous, richer, and attractive a man is the most women he will have. Poly relationships, as in "hi im john and i have 3 girlfriends" are not as common, yet, thats why i said this is going to become much more common by 2030+
And theres more to a man value than just his money. I dont think women divorce men that are rich, and also good looking, masculine, smart, charismatic, good lovers, etc. This is the type of man that i believe will have poly relationships in the future, the men at the absolute top 10-5%.
Also, i believe marriage is going to be irrelevant in the near future. Marriage rates will crash, as women refuse to marry average men and also men refuse to marry women that have been promiscuous, old, have no feminine skills or touch etc. Literally no incentive for marriage in 2023, its a stupid option, so its gonna be even worse in the future.
I already told you, there's probably 3 AVERAGE women for every average man. They can't attract high value.
You're way wrong breh, just way wrong. I'm not sure what world you live in. I will say I'm interested to see how things play out in 7 years. I will only be 40, sounds like I need to get in as best shape as possible and moneymaxx now to take advantage. But what you're saying just sounds laughably impossible
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Originally Posted By NEETvestor⏩
Great post man. Yeah, this era is by far the worst era ever for monogamy, in the sense than women dont need men for basically anything whatsoever, which makes them go for men theywant.I doubt that any society has ever had a 30% polygyny rate. When you see statistics that we have 50% more female ancestors than male ancestors, that's the result of a small difference in every generation that accumulated over time. It doesn't mean that 30% of men in every generation were lifelong incels. Men probably had more like a 1-2% extra chance of dying childless, and over time that compounded as more and more men saw their line die out.
Hunter/forager tribes and pre-modern agricultural societies both depended on extensive physical labor that only men could do. That, IMO, is the origin of monogamy: a tribe couldn't be successful unless it motivated all its men to work and contribute, and the best way to do that was to guarantee that the average man could get a woman and have kids. In order words, monogamy was a social pact between men. Even in muslim and East Asian societies where elite men were typically polygamous, monogamy was always the norm for society as a whole.
Technology has reduced the importance of physical strength for most jobs, devaluing the average man and his labor--that's destroyed the social pact. Meanwhile, the same labor-saving technology gives women the ability to compete with men for work in a way that was never possible before. The current sexual free-for-all isn't society reverting to a natural polygamous state, it's something totally unprecedented.
Hunter/forager tribes and pre-modern agricultural societies both depended on extensive physical labor that only men could do. That, IMO, is the origin of monogamy: a tribe couldn't be successful unless it motivated all its men to work and contribute, and the best way to do that was to guarantee that the average man could get a woman and have kids. In order words, monogamy was a social pact between men. Even in muslim and East Asian societies where elite men were typically polygamous, monogamy was always the norm for society as a whole.
Technology has reduced the importance of physical strength for most jobs, devaluing the average man and his labor--that's destroyed the social pact. Meanwhile, the same labor-saving technology gives women the ability to compete with men for work in a way that was never possible before. The current sexual free-for-all isn't society reverting to a natural polygamous state, it's something totally unprecedented.
The balance between women's "want" and "need" always favored men, because for the majority of humankind's history, women always needed men A LOT, so the balance was always in the favor of "need". Then in the 90s and early 2000's it sort of balanced out, and the want and need factors weighed pretty similar, and now in 2023 the "need" is basically weightless and the "want" is at the heaviest it has ever been.
I dont see things getting fixed until that balance gets fixed. As long as women have this "i dont need no men" mentalities, society is screwed.
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey⏩
aren't women essentially sharing men unofficially if the women are essentially going after the same small group of men? a lot of women think they are what will make the man settle down, but odds are he's in some process of pumping and dumping. the thing that needs time to become more trendy is women openly accepting sharing a man. stuff like polyamory is a step towards accepting the men they want can't be monogamous.If women wanted to share a rich successful man, they could have done so decades ago.
What rich man do you know personally or through social media that has multiple women? Unless you're telling me they all keep it a secret??
Number 2) Why do women divorce rich men and put him on child support/alimony? Shouldn't they stay with that man??
What rich man do you know personally or through social media that has multiple women? Unless you're telling me they all keep it a secret??
Number 2) Why do women divorce rich men and put him on child support/alimony? Shouldn't they stay with that man??
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey⏩
How can it be impossible if it already happens in many cultures and religions in the world lol. Hell even in western normal ass culture, there are some dudes out there with multiple girlfriends.Women on rotation =/ Living and loving together.
I already told you, there's probably 3 AVERAGE women for every average man. They can't attract high value.
You're way wrong breh, just way wrong. I'm not sure what world you live in. I will say I'm interested to see how things play out. I will be 40 and hopefully in shape with money to take advantage.But what you're saying just sounds laughably impossible
I already told you, there's probably 3 AVERAGE women for every average man. They can't attract high value.
You're way wrong breh, just way wrong. I'm not sure what world you live in. I will say I'm interested to see how things play out. I will be 40 and hopefully in shape with money to take advantage.But what you're saying just sounds laughably impossible
Rich attractive man have always had multiple women, just not in the open. Only thing im saying that will actually change, its that these poly relationships from men that are basically cheating now, in the future will be in the open.
But allright, well see what happens
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Originally Posted By eddiehaskell⏩
Yeah basically this. "Okay, i cant make Chad commit to me and agree to only have sex with me for the rest of his life, i can either go find another Chad that will be just as hard to make him commit, i can settle for an average man that may cheat on me too anyway, or i can stay with this Chad that i already have feelings for, treats me well and fuks me well, and simply agree for him to have other women"aren't women essentially sharing men unofficially if the women are essentially going after the same small group of men? a lot of women think they are what will make the man settle down, but odds are he's in som process of pumping and dumping. the thing that needs time to become more trendy is women openly accepting sharing a man. stuff like polyamory is a step towards accepting the men they want can't be monogamous.
Remember, the fairytale marriage will stop being a women's dream in a few years, most will realize its retarded and no Prince Charming are getting married anymore, so they will have to make a choice. I think many women will go for the third choice in this women's hypothetical dilemma. And remember, we are talking about the absolute top man, the top 10% as a whole, not just any loser with money or the broke dude with the perfect physique or whatever, im talking about the whole package type of man.
Lets see, the next few years are going to be fun to watch thats for sure.
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