He was a good 90s player. He would be lucky to come off the bench for 4 points if he was in his prime in todays league

MJ had years of losing before Pippen got going and lost to a green Shaq and Penny after his 1994 mental breakdown

Boyo we couldn't be more aligned on this...

But at least MJ didn't completely boof the entire historic 96 season by losing to the Sonics

Good thing he had Pippen, Rodman and Kukoc on his side and Seattle had literally nobody

AND HOF Head Coach Phil Jackson!
I mean just imagine squandering such a historic season with a loaded roster and staff like that to a bunch of nobodies when it mattered most


Unfortunately Pats fans kno all too well tho







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Can you go update your blind MVP stats thread so I can vote accordingly now that the reg season is over

MJ also never pulled off an epic comeback in a series when he was losing in the late 80s like Brady did down 28-3 in the SB though. So ok MJ didn't botch anything, but he didn't give any epic comebacks the times he truly fell behind.

Besides, this isn't about their accomplishments. For the last time, it's about the entertainment they brought to the league night in and night out.


Also to the guy hating on Dan Majerle do you actually think he's not every bit as good as Damian Lillard on the Bucks? Isn't that their 2nd best player? He most certainly is. And don't start comparing points scored either. PPG average is 20 points higher this season than during games in the mid 90s. The reality is they played defense in Jordan's era.

It also used to be much more of a team game too. Now NBA tries to run iso plays all the time. That's boring as f*ck. This is the type of stuff I'm talking about when I say the NBA isn't as high quality ever since MJ left. Yes MJ had plenty of iso moments as well, but he also played within a team system that so many people ignore too. They all did back then.

Let's face it you can go to any hood in America and watch some street ball and see similar style and quality to what the NBA has become today. That's the truth of it.


As for the NFL it's similar in the sense I can already see there are no more QB masterminds like Brady who could execute and control the game the way he could. Sure some of these guys have raw talent. Lamar Jackson has tons of it. But that strategic decision making and cut throat ability to take over a game is not there the same way.

These are sad times for both of these sports. You might be able to argue MLB went through it's downfall even earlier than either of these after it started persecuting it's juicers like Bonds and McGwire and Clemens. The reality is they elevated that sport to new heights. It wasn't one singular person with them the way it is for NFL and NBA though so I didn't put them in the thread but they still had a downfall after that era themselves so they are not immune from this. Now what we have in place is a bunch of rule changes happening every year trying to generate more excitement when we had the excitement and the league f*cked it up by vilifying the guys creating it.

NFL and NBA are admittedly I na tougher spot. At least they didn't shoot themselves in the foot the way MLB did creating the problem for themselves. Their issue simply stemmed from the greats of their sport getting old and retiring, taking the superior quality they produced on the field with them as they left and leaving us with an inferior product overall. There really wasn't anything they could do sadly.

But alas this is where were find ourselves. With sports across the board having peaked in quality factor now descending to something else. Obviously people are still going to watch. It's sports after all, and with the population growing it's not going to put a dent in revenue that golden age for each of these leagues has officially passed. Nothing lasts forever.

In b4 more cope

Nope, sure as hell won’t

I’m a huge Brady fan, but he’s passing the torch to Mahomes, Jackson, CMC and Purdy.

The Niners have a stacked team. I don’t think it’s been this exciting since the Montana/Young days!

Stop.

NBA is a low IQ sport.

Absolutely zero defense... every night you see teams scoring 130+. Low IQ fans will attribute that to increased athleticism... does athleticism not factor into defense, too? No loyalty or great rivalries anymore either. I prefer college ball. More teamwork, usually you get a solid group of guys who play together for at least a few years.

MJ would cook in this league, 40 a night easy.

They took away the handcheck and defense after Jordan's final season and the malice in the malice was the final straw for the NBA. They also are allowed to travel and gather step now to score more points. It's unwatchable now because it's more entertainment wwe style than it is an actual sport.

You will find more competition in pickup games srs

lol push-offs are completely overlooked too

that's Giannas's entire game

NBA is boring as any other sport now.

i only watch ufc and boxing.

90s NBA was actually worth watching. Football and baseball were always boring. hockey is for moosecels. basketball is fast pace enough it used to be a sport worth watching until they turned it into a bunch of pussies

the mob put a hit on his dad for unpaid gambling debts. he was under a lot of pressure

Yeah one of the many times a mentally weak MJ cried on camera

That's another thing i don't get. Players now will just push each other out of the way to get an open shot. **** is weird as hell.

MJ was an emotional guy. It's what made him so good. Nothing mentally weak about him. He used to make up things that didn't happen with his opponents to get himself fired up to retaliate at his fullest wrath.

Not saying he was really the most mentally stable dude because obviously he wasn't but greatness is rarely what we would describe as a healthy normal. It's their abnormalities that allowed them to elevate above others. Now that doesn't mean all you weird mother f*ckers on the misc who are also abnormal is a good thing. The majority of abnormal people are weird failures in society. But every once in awhile it turns the opposite way into greatness and that was Jordan.

This is honestly why I prefer watching college games now. Between skilled teams they still run excellent defense schemes and you'll see real team play, not just offense all the time. It's too bad that most of them don't make the league.

nba is hard to watch these days. no defense everyone is soft and its become just run up and down shooting 3s over and over. super boring.

check your pm!!!!!!!!

There's pros and cons to the game. This current NBA product could use a lot of work. But I blame Silver and the players equally for being a bunch of zoomer dipsticks who think they can ball. Players today are all offense. I like that kid J Dub though, he's got an oldschool basketball mentality and he'll be a superstar in a couple years time. Him and SGA should eventually win a ring for OKC

Today's NBA is INFINITELY harder to guard. You have to cover so much ground in the NBA because everyone can shoot and the movement in today's game is insane. The offensive sets and counters make the game so much harder to defend.

Also people keep saying "they just shoot 3's!!" when in reality drives to the rim are some of the highest it's been in decades. Players are either shooting a high percentage 3, or going to the rim for a layup/dunk

No, because Patrick Mahomes has replaced Brady and is chasing the GOAT status which is compelling. Also, Taylor Swift has brought a ton of girls and women to the sport. This SuperBowl was the most watched ever and the most watched thing on tv since the moon landing.

the NFL is dominating the sports landscape right now, there is no fall off.

Today's league is soft AF bro. They out there frauding and flopping like soccer players.

lol

3pt Steph ruined the game

The days of icons are gone. Messi and Ronaldo were probably the last greats.

Take Hamilton, Lebron and Mcdavid. They're probably better than Schumacher, Jordan and Gretzky but the latter were seen as gods among men.

There's an overabundance of talent and entertainment today that has desensitised people.

This is true not just for sports. Metallica, Queen, Predo Jackson - they literally had millions of people on their concerts. Who the fukk can do that nowadays?

Nah i actually like when they're crankin from the logos - This sometimes more entertaining and impressive than dunks or acrobatic shots around the rim

The flopping and diva attitudes are what mostly killed it for me

I disagree with this idea. Dan Majerle was an elite defender and could shoot the three. In addition to just being a really smart player, being a 3&D guy will make you a starter or a big time 6th man.