Yea sure that all sounds great online but how many dudes you know late 30’s- 40’s dating a 25 year old? 1? 2? Prob zero. Only dudes that get away with 15+ year age gap is super rich celebs/athletes

That’s considered weird in real life and a 20yr old has 0 in common with a 35 yr old let’s be honest

People need to come back down to reality and realize that getting married in the early to mid 20's is the best scenario. You don't have to have kids right away -- you can have fun together, be at your peak sexually and work together towards financial and life goals. It is a relief not having to play the game of dating, hooking up and failed 2 month long trysts.

If it were me I wouldn't want to be a 30 yr old in a wedding dress. I'd say let's do it now... we can support each other in our professional endeavors. You aren't supposed to have to wait until you have 500k in your 401k and a house...those are things to work towards together. That's my opinion, anyway.

Most men in their late 30s can’t attract an early to mid 20s desirable woman. Even if you were good looking and had a great career and had a lot going for you, they’ll fuk you but eventually get bored because there’s little in common.

Trophy wife in 2024:

Single mother with only 1 child.

30+ year old woman with no child.

Take ur pick boyos

The funny thing is she doesn't even know I have already worked for those things. I picked her up in my beater on the first date so she didn't get the wrong idea. She can be married before 30, but if its going to be with me, im going to have to see that its something she really wants. 3 months have basically already ticked away since we have started talking and if I was talking with another women I would probably be in the same place in a third of the time or half if a career wasnt in the way with all things being equal.

What residency is she doing and what fellowship does she want to do?

Yup. I'm convinced college campus cold approach is the best way to meet your future wife, which isn't saying much.

There are no "good girls" anymore.

Im not chad & I'm pretty awkward.

But I've been doing "traveling events" for the past year as as a part time thing, the **** I've seen...

If she's "good", she is just good at fooling you. YOU have a "main", SHE doesn't have an only.

When you ask her point blank there should be 0 hesitation. That's how you are sure.

I think both are in pediatrics. The fellowship was maybe a focus on cardiovascular but not surgery
Yeah im not wanting to waste her time but theres still a lot i dont know about her. Its hard to properly vet someone you see maybe once or twice a month and dont get a lot of time to talk with. Marriage should be one of the most important decisions in your life and while im pretty lax and see promise, I dont want to tread too lightly. I have also been discarded too many times so its hard to not be jaded and easy to be hesitant in overinvesting.

You see her once or twice a month - red flag. How long has this relationship been going on?

About 2 months. She was out of state for the holidays. Shes in medical residency right now so basically all you do is work, study and sleep. This is what im assuming at least and have heard from a couple of people. Getting 3-4 hours of free time is rare. If this is not the case then its her loss. I would be more inclined to believe she would be losing interest rather than juggling two relationships.

Females over 35 literally have to go to a different part of the hospital for their geriatric or "advanced maternal age" pregnancies

I'll check out that book, but I disagree on the notion that men 100% control the women. I believe they do to an extent, but the fact remains there is a lopsided amount of women filing for divorce than men. We've all known at least one man who has gone through a divorce and it was 100% the woman's decision -- the man did not want the divorce. Even when a woman is married to a good enough guy to be married to, she will still want to take flight if the sisterhood of society tells her it's in her best interest to "find herself"

Personally I think a lot of these kinds of issues in society have roots in society being way too sexualized. Men want sex and women use that as leverage to gain some power over the men. Men in turn do what the women say/want, and it progresses until we reach the tailspin we are all in right now.

That’s true.


There is the 1% that was in a serious relationship with a good guy in the majority of her 20s abd the guy just wouldn’t commit, so she finally broke it off when she hit 30 or just before 30.

She’s still probably jaded/bitter, but at least she has a chance.

I think it's lack of morality and the fact that society has gotten further from God, and the church. It wasn't that long ago that to have a baby outside of marriage was so shameful a girl would be sent out of town to live with a relative, have the baby, and then it was raised by an aunt or someone in the family. Look where we are now. Women using abortion as birth control.

In the 1960's men would HAVE to marry their girlfriends if he wanted regular sex from her. They were not waiting 3-4 years to date before getting married. She lived at home with her parents and many of them waited for marriage.


I agree on the divorce situation. That came about when women entered the workforce and could begin supporting herself and at the same time the stigma of divorce was gradually shed. Divorced women 60 or so years ago were considered spoiled goods and avoided like the plague. Somewhere along the line men changed their minds about them and became willing to become husband #2.

It'd def more than just that. People are literally broken and messed up from very young these days, and our society itself has made it hard for people to meet naturally.

People aren't waiting till their 30's because they want to, it is NOT a decision they're making for the most part. Society is guiding everything.

It's interesting you mentioned that because I made a thread not too long ago where I went to church for a family thing and I did notice quite a few young women there embodying a lot of traits you see in this cultural and moral decay. There were quite a few single moms there, for one. This church was Baptist, so it was supposed to be old-fashioned. I did just go to this one church but you hear about it all over the country; the church is rarely truly a place for God and scripture.

but yeah I agree a lot of loose morality is having a pervasive effect on our culture and society. Men and women being single well into their 30s is one of those effects. Personally I'm not happy about being single in my 30s, as are a lot of other men, but things have degraded to where things will seem quite bleak for a long time. It will take a dramatic shift for things to change for the better. That or network yourself half to death to find like-minded people and congregate among each other.

Maybe I should move to Belarus, sem-srs.

People are strongly encouraged to wait until their late 20's to get married. Just mention to someone that you want to get married at 21 and see the disapproval. They now heavily push the line "the frontal lobe isn't developed before age 25" and want to keep everyone a child for most of their 20's. So the human race has been raised by mentally underdeveloped children up until the past couple of decades? Someone is benefitting from that line of thinking. I wonder who?

My friend is 20 yrs old and has been seriously dating someone for over a year and her dad is livid that she wants to get married before she graduated college and has good employment. That was unheard of before the last few decades. Before you just had to be an adult, period. The rest fell into place.

There can be quality there but you WILL take a back seat to her career and professional interests at all times.

That being said, doctors and STEM girls, if attractive, are a nice niche. If you are dating a high earning woman and she is in marketing, finance, law, etc. she likely is vapid, clout chasing, ladder climbing, status seeking, etc.

STEM girls (computer science, engineering, doctors) are just nerds. The drawback is they are going to be less feminine and more logical, but this can be a nice perk. Get you a high paid nerd

yeah i've noticed a lot of religious girls in their 30s on the apps too, some of them might even be virgins. the ship for them sailed (just like for us guys) to get married young. maybe they were just in the wrong place wrong time, maybe they were too picky, i dont know...Oh damn you are right, i googled that lol

Ask yourself this. Why would any average to above average girl need to go on any dating app when she has tons of options from social media hitting them up. Girls on dating apps are damaged used up desperate cum buckets who are extremely hypergamous

Went on a date with a 35 year old girl and she kept talking about having kids and how many kids she wants. All in the 2nd date

The girl was in a 15 year marriage with her high school sweetheart and left him to ride the cock carousel. Willing to bet my left nut if social media and dating apps didn’t exist she would stay married for life. All this attention and access to men has created a demon inside of women. Like a sexual demon that isn’t able to pair bond. This applies to men too. People are truly only as faithful as their options

The family unit in the west is finished

I know a lot of women who have had trouble in their marriages and then go on dating apps before they get divorced and monkey branch.

Yeah a guy definitely doesn't want to match with me lol.

I have stalked the chit out of some guys.

When the dating apps first came out, and quite a while after that, anyone who went online dating was labeled a loser who couldn't get anyone irl.

I guess once video chat came about, people could confirm that the person is in fact as good as their online pics and persona or if they were frauding.

has nothing to do with age. Or dating apps for that matter. Most women are just fuking crazy these days.

society in general is crazy and women follow it the most so yeah...complete crazy behind whatever image they try to project. i know some that project happy mom/wife on social media and in public but are actually pretty nuts behind the scenes. women deeply care about keeping the bad hidden and maintaining how they want to be viewed by others....unless they are somehow outted very publicly then they'll just be crazy all the time (think porn stars for example).

You said she’s a pediatric resident? You have some time but you have to prioritize things you want to do. I am a surgeon and surgical residency is probably the busiest. I met my wife in residency and before her dated and hung out with many women. She should be hanging out with you at least 2 or so times a week if she’s into you. Otherwise, I wouldn’t take it very seriously.

I know one who I havent seen on dating apps. Shes coming up on 31 now. She is most likely picky. I think a lot of them are. They are choosing beggars. They are high quality compared to your average tinder whore, but they know they are high quality.

The thing about these girls is that they still want Chad. The ones who are actually practicing want someone who will tick all the boxes. Tall, handsome, doesnt smoke, doesnt drink, will wait until marriage, has a job that can support a family, etc etc. They don't care if hes not a virgin either. She can be a virgin, but she wont hold him to the same standard. I would say these women are more deluded than your regular tinder whore. They want to actually be the last person to lock down a top 10% Chad who has given that life up. These guys are even more rare than virgin Christian women. When 30 starts rolling around they get a little less picky though.

Overall though I would say their issue is being in the wrong place at the wrong time, being picky, and not having a lot of guys to choose from. If they are actually practicing its harder than finding someone in the secular world. I was using an app called upward that had a global chat feature and the women would be eating out of my hands until a chadfish came along. It was some of the best times I have had on the internet, but no amount of charismamaxxing or personalitymaxxing could keep them from all swarming chad.