OnlyFans only screws the chick up in the head, though. Prostitution gives you AIDS.

I don't know if I can believe the majority of these "incels" were traumatized. Most people I know that were beaten as a child, went on to live very successful lives, my brother being one of them. My mom left my abusive father when I was very young, so I never got the treatment they did.

I can see how dating is harder these days with social media and the glorification of women, but that isn't really an excuse to resort to a secluded failed mindset. Plenty of ugly dudes that have nothing in life going for them have GF's and attractive one's at that. If you can make a girl laugh, be charismatic, have some style, it's really all you need. I see it all the time.

He'srightyaknow.gifI'm not one to say 'all', but the link between trauma and addiction is undeniable. There's a reason why so many find themselves funding camwhores, prostitutes and the like - and when they sit at home and fap, or fu*k a prostitute, they'll satiate themselves temporarily and find that they don't want to go out and meet someone. They write that part out of their lives.

I personally think true 'incels' are a statistical outlier. Many 'incels' are pseudo-MGTOW who may have been corrupted by IG angles, thinking that the women they see walking around just don't live up to what they want. And then that only white chads get what they want, and then we see the trope that's so often repeated here on this forum (and elsewhere).

It's just hypocritical how politicians use hookers, yet don't want to legalize it.

Dunno chits lame

Go get laid the Ole fashion way

Banging 2-3 girls currently easily, can't fathom needing to blow hundreds of dollars on a fk session

Short version: they view relationships as transactional.

Their lack of friends, their views on marriage, kids, careers etc. They overvalue their own contribution and believe they deserve more for what they are "paying".

Whores are something where they believe they can chalk up a "win" in a transaction.

Never seen a miscers glorify prostitution but I don't see a problem with it if they do.

USA is one of the only places in the world where prostitution is stigmatized like it is there. Like another poster said, a lot of places it's just fine to go get your rocks off once in a while and it doesn't have to be about inceldom or that they can't get laid normally.

People frequent hookers for all sorts of different reasons, sometimes even because they have fetishes they can't admit to at home or are public figures so can't take a risk of being exposed. I don't need to do it because I can easily get laid conventionally, but a couple of times I did just for interest sake and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

Where people fall into trouble (and I deal with sex addicts) is when they are using it to fulfill a need or get a fix like a drug, and that's when it can go sideways quickly. There's also that aspect on the other side where the women get addicted to the money and lifestyle - and some of them are just addicted to the rush of doing something with a stranger.

this right here is ur typical self-proclaiming "chad" folks

prostitution is immoral. People can try to reason it all they want but deep-down they know it's immoral, otherwise why not "hey wife/mom/daughter, why don't you do a part-time prostitute job to earn some coin?"

and no it is not "normal" in other countries either. the people in those countries would not want their "wife/daughter" doing it.

it's a kind of self-dishonesty to try and persuade oneself that it's anything other than immoral.

Porn/Prostitution is WEAKNESS. be STRONG and be BETTER, don't support that IMMORALITY!

u think guys just lie about paying to smash? lol have sum awarness

If anything, they lie about getting a girl when the truth is they paid a prostitute.

Agree with this.

It's been interesting and surprising to me seeing the public perception on legalizing stuff like drugs and prostitution change over the last decade or so.

Generally speaking, I like and support personal freedom, so I get people making an argument for legalization on that basis. I know and like people that hold those views. I still disagree though. Based on people that I've been around and experiences I've had I'm fully convinced that both are bad for society. People should be living in a way to maximize their own and other people's life enjoyment and I think both are contrary to that objective.

I think porn and alcohol are poison, too, and don't use either but I'm not in favor of banning them. I know it's not particularly consistent.

if you ever wonder how incels cope, this is it folks

Strong this.

Government shouldn't be the moral police.

It's also like other illegal activities: Government involvement doesn't stop the act. It just makes it illegal.

This means that it goes underground, and everyone is more prone to being abused by those that run the rings. There's more physical abuse, sexual abuse, exploitation, human trafficking, abuse towards minors, etc, etc.

It's not that we "glorify" it, like prostitution is a good thing. It's just that we don't support the criminalization of it.

You can only "know" if you see where the money is going. Do you think massage parlor workers (a number of Miscers claim they go regularly, there was one who claimed he was sad because he can't afford to go as often as he does) keep their money? Or send it back to the country they came from, hoping to give their extended family a better life?

great post

It actually is "normal" in Europe and other normal 1st world countries.

Just like they see having gun stores on every block is seen as backwards and insane in the states by people outside the US, they see the government stopping two consenting adults not being to partake in a consensual activity as totally backwards.

You pay for box why make this thread op


Take ur own advice and move out of ur coffin sized apt

Yeah it blows my mind how some dudes will make a thread about how society is failing because all girls are sloots, there are no good loyal girls, then they encourage literal sloots...
seems like a form of simping, you are giving a female money just for being attractive and having a hole

Maybe part of the fetish is knowing you're breaking the law?Some folks say "dating is so much harder these days you wouldn't understand", but they weren't dating 10 years ago either, so how they don't understand that the comment cuts both ways is confusing.Maybe that's why you have "never seen a miscer" do that. Some do, per the title of this thread, like that UK railroad worker who talks about 'banging exotics' that he can't find locally otherwise, etc. Apparently they don't live there - only spread their legs for cash there.I suppose they must see it as a win. But it's 'pay to win' at its core, and even then...

That's part of the point. You mentioned 'to explore fetishes', and anyone in the fetish community could explore them even before Fetlife, and also without paying for the service. 'Getting laid' is not typically a fetish in itself, so it raises the question why (the point of this thread) some Miscers coined the phrase 'whoremaxxing' as if it's superior to being in a relationship.

On addiction: that's also part of the point, hence why I posted the interview in the OP. From abuse/trauma, to addiction (of any kind), an easy pathway to substance abuse, prostitution, and addictions of almost every kind. Including some fetishes, which amount to self-abuse.

I think the only people glorifying it are the absolute degenerates like VascularManlet who think they're flexing, and the dudes who legitimately can't get laid for one reason or another and need to pay for it.


I haven't met any one person who glorifies it IRL, at most it's just justified due to the convenience/ease. I can see the merits of it for people who actually can't get laid to their detriment, and even guys who can, who just want to knock something out quick vs put on the whole show to wine and dine a girl.

But in no way do I think it should, nor have I seen it be glorified past those exceptions

Right, I don't think it should be glorified at all. If someone wants to bust a nut during a massage and pay someone to do that - it seems desperate to me, not something great. It errs on being pathetic in reality. This is where the "but all guys pay for it in some way" cope comes from, see?This is similar to my take. I sympathize with say, amputees, folks with severe PTSD, some limit case examples who actually cannot engage without sex work. But I do find it weird that a number of posters here (it's not just a tiny fraction) seem so proud of their paying for sex.

this soft white underbelly dude is creepy af. Can't watch his vids

Maybe there’s something wrong with me but I just have zero interest in fukking a girl that doesn’t wanna fuk me. How is that sh!t not weird? Even if you think you’re better looking than most dudes that pay for sex, the fact that she’s likely fake enjoying it on some level just rubs me the wrong way. I’ll go find some 6-7/10 that I know for sure wants me.

I like personal freedom too, and haven't really been discussing legal/illegal. It's illegal here in New York. But go to Tryst dot link, and you can have someone at your place in 30 minutes and fu*k for money. Has anyone ever been caught for this sort of thing? So the 'legalization' argument feels a bit like a side discussion. There's rampant 'paying for sex' across the USA. You've seen the threads with folks walking around in Queens, NYC right? If not:



One place within a few feet of a school. And prosecutions have stopped in NYC as far as I know, for prostitutes and the johns. But they still go after trafficking rings, and there are folks prosecuted and convicted of this. A personal decision to prostitute oneself is one thing (and a rare case, statistically) compared to the massage parlors posters like KoreanNoodles(sp) were so addicted to visiting.Where does the government stop it, again? Can you show me cases?It is simping, for the most part except the limit cases described ITT (amputees and the like). You can see how many here are "whoremaxxers" - loads of 1* ratings. Seethe, lol.

Yeah there's something weirdly gonzo about it - raw emotions, him paying to try to get them off that life.

Guys op is trolling he's been paying for escorts almost his whole adult wife

Stop falling for it, he lives in a coffin sized apt claiming its a mansion new York

It isn't just you, trust me.

Onlysimps isn't "prostitution", it's 'findom' at its very core. Incels edging and gooning themselves, restructuring their brain chemistry so they can't even have functional sex with a real women, then blaming it all on society.

I agree that Onlysimps is extremely damaging to society - so why are so many simps willing to willingly go down that path?