yes, but did you also know that covid can
cause
1) Mad cow disease
2) heart attacks
3) cancer
4) diabetes
5) Heart disease
6) smallpox
7) herpes
8) ebola
9) SIDS + AIDS
10) HIV
11) ZIKA
12) West niles
13) car accidents
14) murders
15) strokes
16) alzheimers disease
17) kidney disease
18) bike accidents
19) syphillis
20)SUICIDE
21) Nautural cuases
22) old age

It's almost as if covid has taken over the jobs of all the other diseases + cause of deaths!
Covid is truly the jack of all trades virus! The renaissance man virus! How amazingYeah, that's pretty rude and judgemental of you to label these people ITT as fat and unfit hillbillies. They are well adjusted law abiding good citizens doing their part to achieve herd immunity for the greater good of mankind.
Buf fair enough. We're on a bodybuildings forum and you're probably the superficial kind that needs assurance that you made the right decision about geting the vax from better looking people, so here are some other vaccine takers you may find more palatable.










You're welcome

lmao scared ass bitch. I know many people who have had it, myself included, no no side effects.

Drug companies are some of the most evil ones out there, with a long history of mischief. Who the fuk blindly trusts them with or without ties to the government? You haven't read this whole thread, but here alone are numerous examples of them knowingly putting out tainted products, even stuff sold to INFANTS, and putting out press released lying about it's safety.

A lot of the food we eat does have problems, IMO. Less nutrients, more antibiotics, overall less healthy. Things like plastic, for example, we know can leech into the stuff it's containing and the chemicals mimics estrogen in the body, stuff like that.

FDA doesn't say things are safe, they say things are safe within specific parameters. It's okay to take 1/4 tbsp of boron or whatever the fuk. They don't say, "Boron is safe to eat" though.

We've been to the moon and anyone who peddles the notion we haven't I immediately tune out.

I only specifically question this vaccine as it was obviously rushed, a lot of money is on the table, there is insurmountable pressure to get it out quickly, all liability has been removed from the drug companies and none have been thoroughly tested. I am not anti-vaccine in general.

OTC medications and such have been tested for years usually.

We might not be giving anyone any money for the vaccines directly, but I really hope you weren't implying there was not massive profits to be had here.I'd ask you, what makes you think you need a vaccine and what makes you think they're safe? With your join date, I'll peg you 40-45 and you look fairly lean and healthy. How much of a risk do you consider covid to be to you personally?

Well yeah, it's 95% effective, not 100% effective, so SOME people will still get it regardless.

"Anything in life is a risk" is a poor comparison. THIS is something we can actively do something about... we can't necessarily chose not to go to work in a car, etc.

Good for you, I know people who have died from it.

And if you had no side effects, how do you even know you had it?

I am not 'blindly' trusting anything. As with any drug, they do trials, and regardless of how long a medication or treatment has been around, you are in effect ALWAYS 'trusting' anything you didn't make with your own bare hands.

The thresholds for what is 'enough time' for testing is set BY scientists and people formulating the substances, and that it how we determine if it is 'safe' or not and 'tested' or not.

Because I am not a scientist myself, what else can I or anyone else do? Should I never put anything into my body that I didn't create in my own lab after single-handedly learning everything there is to know about immunology or the science to create a vaccine.

ANytime you get a surgery, go to the dentist, or put a pain killer into your mouth, you're in essence 'trusting' the science.And yet you still eat them, and you still allow for that level of 'trust'. So then, why aren't you trusting this vaccine on the same level? Why the skepticism about this in particular?Right, according to scientists who claim we have, and you trust it. 'Blindly', according to your use of the word.Have you actually looked into WHY it was produced so fast and HOW that happened?

'fast-tracking' a vaccine is NOT the same as 'rushing it'.

The same companies who produce the OTC and other medications you claim are time-tested also created the criteria for what constitutes proper testing for vaccines, etc. They are the SAME entities.

So why then are you specifically not trusting this one has benefits that outweigh the costs?

I am not saying there isn't a monetary component somewhere, but it's an indirect one, so how can anyone control for that?

I'm 36 years old (almost), and i'm very very healthy.

But you know what? Plenty of even healthier people even YOUNGER than me get terribly ill or even die from this: it isn't a sure thing that you'll just get COVID and be OK because you seem healthy in other contexts.

Not to mention, as I said, you can even be asymptomatic and have latent internal issues from COVID that you didn't foresee.

Just because I might SURVIVE covid doesn't mean it won't permanently damage my body.

I'm sorry Trump didn't win... I know you must miss him.

Snipped the other stuff, not that it was chit, just we're going to have different levels of 'trust'.

I see no reason to trust these vaccines, none have long-term trials, there are no other mRNAs approved for human use and (not these) but I've seen other mRNAs have disastrous animal trials. All this is more than enough for me to put a big ? on these vaccines (I am not one of the people here demanding they are deadly, just that they are untested in their current form).

I need to weigh that ? risk against the better known risk of covid, something I think you're overestimating.

> But you know what? Plenty of even healthier people even YOUNGER than me get terribly ill or even die from this: it isn't a sure thing that you'll just get COVID and be OK because you seem healthy in other contexts.

Assuming the covid mortality numbers are correct (and there is a very good argument to be had they are inflated) but as they are here in the USA, 30-39 age group, 5002 people died (since I think December) of the 433K total. That puts mortality rate at 0.125% and people under 39 account for about 1.7% of the overall deaths.

We also know 80% of covid deaths are obese. We also know certain darker skinned races are vastly overrepresented in deaths.

So, putting aside the unknown but recently very well promoted "long haul" and just looking at mortality -- you have almost nothing to fear there. You're young, white and lean.

Plenty of people younger than you aren't dying, either.

~2,100 deaths in the 18 to 29 range.
~250 deaths in the 5 to 17 range.
~100 deaths in the 0 to 4 range.

Less than 3,000 in total younger than you and a ****hair over 5,000 in your age range. That sucks for those people, I'm sorry about them all because it's very young, but people are dying on the highways, of cancer,suicide, drug overdose, living in a Democrat-run city and all manner of thing each and every day. I feel for their families, losing loved ones is heart-wrenching, but in perspective, it's not many and not worth radically changing your life over, either.

In this thread, I talked about this. Every day I drive to work, I am at risk of death. People die on the roads every minute. I can completely remove that risk -- all I have to do is never drive in any car ever again and my odds of death from car wreck go down to zero. The question is: Is the action taken to avoid this risk worth it or not?

So, I look at my risk of covid. About the same as you, little higher. I weigh that risk (because it's not zero, I can get covid and die or suffer for weeks, maybe longer, possibly even have long-haul damage to lungs or nerves). I then look at untested vaccines, rushed to market by Trump who only cared about getting people back to work, created by inarguably Evil companies who can not be held liable with histories of knowingly peddling poisons, all wrapped in a bow of a new never-before used mRNA style vaccine where other ones like this crashed and burned in the animal testing phase.

Also, with a biased MSM and culture of fear that *will not allow* discussion of this. Harvard epidemiologists get censored on twitter if they do not have a very specific line they tow. People are censored for simply linking Harvard studies that suggest masks may not be helpful.

We are not being allowed to talk about this and that alone makes me skeptical of it all.

So, I weigh that risk of covid (very near zero) against the unknown risk of these vaccines and factor in the climate and powers that be who are using propaganda to get everyone to take it. All that combined is a Big No from me.

Covid isn't enough of a threat. These vaccines are not tested and fuk the propaganda that is desperate to shove it on me and everyone else.

I'll just comment on this portion because I think the rest we'll just have to disagree on.

That being said...

The risk of dying from COVID, as you said, .125% according to your math.

But what is the risk of death from the vaccine? There have been 580million + doses given so far.

As far as I know, the number of deaths from the vaccine aren't even in the triple digits.... so, that is many, many orders of magnitude LESS than COVID itself for any age group.

Also I am NOT saying anyone will die or always have adverse issues with a COVID infection, but the likelihood of at least have a horrible time for 2-3 weeks (I've known healthy YOUNG people who remain sick with long-term COVID for 2 months or so) is significant.


I'd be very curious to know where you saw this problematic animal test data, because as fas as I know, these companies (especially Moderna, where the 'rna' in there name literally stands for the same RNA in the mRNA vaccine) have been working on the formulation for well over a decade.

Keep in mind, the 0.125% mortality rate -- that includes a lot of people who aren't like you, and to a lesser extent, myself. Meaning: fatties, people with bad genetic luck, not to be racist but darker-skinned people and individuals who were otherwise much more at risk than either of us, despite being in the same age group.

So, while the overall mortality rate for everyone whatever age was 0.125%, that's not looking at the other facts, like that 80% of covid deaths are people who are obese or that the average # of comorbidities for covid deaths is 3. As I'm sure you put together at your class reunion: Not everyone is aging as gracefully as they could be. Not everyone is watching what they eat. Not everyone has good luck when it comes to getting illnesses in life and so on.

Cliffs: that 0.125% for you is probably 0.0125%.

No insight of the horrible time for 2-3 weeks. I *hate* it when people use isolated incidents to justify something, especially with Covid which is just all over the map... but I actually had it last year, for me it was 2 days without smell and 2-3 days of nasty allergies. So, I got lucky.

I'll also say, I haven't had a flu in over two decades, but *the flu is fuking awful*, it is a miserable, painful, excruciating horrific time and even though it's probably been 22 years, I can still vividly remember how much I hated it. I think sometimes people talk about covid in terms of the flu, but the flu is horrible and I always dread flu season and am careful around people those times in the year.

I looked and can not find the animal stuff I was referencing, I think it was from a video and a doctor was talking about it and I actually did not bother to research it myself to confirm, so take a grain of salt. I did just now try for a quick check, but I couldn't find anything other than the mRNA animal tests for these covid vaccines apparently didn't slaughter thousands of poor rats or anything.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/oA56sj71opGS/

Wrapping this up, interesting.

This is former Pfizer bigwig Michael Yeadon. Makes some interesting points, one about how antibodies (which everyone, myself included) focuses on... they're not so important. T-cells are the main driving force here.

One thing he does and I don't agree with him, he speculated they're going to make further vaccines, top-offs, to administer and he can't imagine why and kind of jumps to very nefarious ends about depopulation. Why, when you could force vaccines, whether they serve a purpose or not, and *make more money*. Get paid to research them, get paid to sell them and know you have the widest market available: everyone. An endless cycle of profits, twice a year make a new one, again who cares if it works or is necessary, you just rake in the money.

Someone said we're not paying for these, because I guess most insurances cover vaccines for free, but I can assure you -- pfizer is getting paid, moderna is getting paid, JNJ, etc... not a single one of these companies are donating these vaccines out of the generosity of their hearts. You might not be directly paying for it at the time, but they are all getting paid for nonetheless.

I will say: He (back to Yeadon) directly says he doesn't think the vaccines are going to kill people down the road, he just thinks they're untested and unsafe for that reason, not to mention young people do not need them.

Really, beyond the strange hypothesis about the top-off vaccines, I found him to make a lot of sense.

I don't disagree with your concerns at all.

I in fact had/have plenty of concerns of my own with getting the vaccine.

I pretty much made my decision based on a few factors:

1. I want to be around people sooner, and without masks especially in my friend and family group.
2. I want to have the option of group events ASAP during the summer
3. There may be things in the near future only vaccinated people are allowed to do.

The way I see it, yes, I am probably not going to have any kind of health issues if I did get COVID at least in the long term.

However, given the nature of how the vaccine is made, I have similar levels of comfort around not getting long term issues at all.

The mRNA vaccines effectively expose you to a component of the virus, but without the actual virus itself, such that there is no real infection at all >> only 'blueprints' of what the spike proteins are, such that your body manufactures similar antibodies to those it would if you have COVID naturally.

The mRNA doesn't even stay in your body very long; you end up excreting it altogether.

So, given that, and given I already feel like I'm not a high risk COVID person... it seems logical to assume I would also not have an issue with a vaccine that is, by it's very nature, only a tiny piece of the same viral blueprint... only without the actual infection itself.

This thread has convinced me to get contact lenses

the number of dead from the vaccine in the US alone is in the quadruple digits let alone all the long-term lingering issues that will come down the road.

Show me the data, show me the evidence. I'll wait.

We're not too far apart, tbh. My biggest beef with you is your sig tagline.

By this point JUSA has covered anything I would have said much better. I'm not anti-vax in the least...I'm just anti Guinea pig if I can help it. And nor do I think the vax is intentionally supposed to be a killer or any of the other CT stuff going on. But big pharma does not have any kind of track record of actually having people's best interest at heart. So a virus that has a huge range of symptoms and severity + hugely rushed effort to make a vaccine + silencing any objections to rushed vaccine + billions to be made by big pharma = big nope. Add in that even if you are fully vaxxed you can still spread it and (maybe) still get it means that masks aren't going away anytime soon if you are going to "trust the science". The fact that we are going to need boosters should tell you the mask nonsense will keep up until people get sick of it. It won't be the government giving the all clear.

I love carbs

Vaccine boosters aren't a new thing at all... MANY vaccines require boosters... in fact I believe most of them do.

Im not a big pharma fan OR a big government fan, but again I don't see how it was 'rushed' per se. It underwent a great deal of testing and was essentially prioritized to avoid existing bottlenecks... basically it didn't need to just wait in line...

And yes you can still spread it, but that's assuming you GET IT... which is far, FAR less likely when you're vaccinated

Lastly, at what point would you feel comfortable not considering yourself a guinea pig? Like how much time needs to pass (not a rhetorical question)?

Never before has a vaccine went from drawing board to rolling out in 8-9 months. It's usually years before they even begin human trials. Yeah, I know they were working on mRNA stuff before but they weren't working on a COVID-19 version until last year. So either the CTards are correct and the vaccine was almost ready for a planned pandemic or they took a bunch of shortcuts and assumptions from what work was done for unrelated mRNA vaccines. Either way, it's still a big nope from me.

As for maybe taking it, I'm waiting to see how the summer goes. I feel like a lot of unvaccinated people are going to start going out and congregating no matter what the government says. Hell, the last UFC fight was full crowd so unless they can trace a huge surge back to the fight every other fight in a non blue state will probably be full crowd. Unless this summer brings a huge surge I'm waiting until next spring at the earliest. It's unfortunate the J&J one got pulled, that's the one I'd feel more comfortable taking (though their track record gives me a bit of pause).

straight from cdc website - Over 230 million doses of covid-19 vaccine were administered in the US from Dec-April. During this time VAERS received 3848 reports of death from people who received the covid-19 vaccine.


There is a reason why it's one of the only products in the world where the manufacturer is unviable for ANY adverse events, including death.

I asked for a link to data.

Send me a link to that official CDC statement... don't just type numbers here.

And also keep in mind, on a WORLDWIDE scale, about 150,000 die overall, from ALL causes.

So if you look at any 5 month period you're talking about 750,000 deaths from any cause.

If you consider that by the end of April (now), a little over 1BILLION doses have been given, do the math: does it sounds like those '3,848' cases of death from people WHO GOT the vaccine (not dying FROM THE VACCINE) could have just died from natural causes?

Think about it dude... nowhere in that statement does it say they died FROM THE VACCINE.

Obviously if 750,000 people are going to die, SOME OF THEM will have had the vaccine if over 1BILLION doses were given around the world.

lmao. yeah, I'm just typing random numbers there.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html

last statement and bulletpoints

if this was truly as safe as it was, they wouldn't need complete legal immunity from lawsuits.

Any particular reason you'd favor the JnJ?

I'm just curious because, after reading about the mRNA stuff, it actually SOUNDS like it would be safer... at face value anyway.

From everything I have read, between all the vaccines, the actual component which stimulate the creation of antibodies is out of your system very quickly... and they all function on the basis of just teaching your immune system to respond by making antibodies.

So, if there WAS a safety concern, I would imagine it would be in the form of a short-term reaction like allergy etc... but beyond that, once the actual mRNA/protein clears your system, you're basically unchanged other than the fact that you have antibodies now, which would be the same as any other vaccine.

I see mRNA as a novel way to stimulate an immune response, but it's still the same response, just with a different - but similarly quickly-excreted - trigger.

Like I said, 230+ vaccines have been given in the USA (so not the whole world as I stated before)

~8000 people die EVERY DAY in the US.... so about 1.2million in 5 months.

And you're concerned that out of that population, under 4000 of the 1.2MILLION people died (of causes not even shown to be caused by the vaccine at all)?

just like the millions that will die anyways, including the large amounts of people that are in nursing homes and over the age of 80?

But if they get covid or had covid at the time of death. It's a covid death?

The average age of "covid death" is literally OLDER than the average life expectancy. That shows you what a farce this whole thing is.

People in hospice with literally weeks left to live are listed as covid deaths if they had covid at time of death.

The best part is the mental gymnastics by vaccine shills.

4-5 horrible comborbidities and over 80, get covid, then dead = covid death.

that same person gets the vaccine and dies, and it wasn't a vaccine related death due to their underlying conditions.

You can't see the how ridiculous it is with how these deaths are labeled?

As i've already stated, there is more to worry about from COVID than just dying.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavir...s/art-20490351




Much of these issues come from viral replication and spreading throughout your body, something the vaccine does not (and can not) do.

like what? flu like symptoms for the VAST majority of people?

You live in one of those cuck states that's about to enter another lockdown lmfao while Florida has been back to normal since July and sane states have completely moved on from this nonsense.

8% is barely anyone. You can't be possibly dumb enough to think that 8% of the population getting vaccinated will cause a covid outbreak.

You would see HUGE covid outbreaks in UK, Israel and the USA. Over 50% of adults in those nations are vaccinated and over 40% of the population.

Open the link I posted... it reviews the long term issues

I’m one person in a state of millions of people. If you knew anything about the geography of WA, you’d know a massive portion of the state is rural farmland. Just because a states government has certain views doesn’t mean all their residents support it