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Thread: Official Russia vs Ukraine WW3 thread; Soys and propaganda edition - Part 3

post 1660609043 05-02-2022, 01:53 PM
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post 1660609173 05-02-2022, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted By ymer⏩
Did you just literally ???!!


omg I can't even !!!
That was totes the wrong word to use there, like seriously
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Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget⏩
did not address my post but still felt the need to quote it and respond with some passive aggressive bitching.
low IQ and unhinged.
Address what? Why the world is helping a Democratic Country defend its land? Is that even a serious question?

And my post wasn’t passive aggressive, I’m literally asking you if all those Country’s should do as you suggest Ukraine should have done? Moldova could be invaded any day, should they go ahead and surrender?
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Originally Posted By chalup⏩
Did you seriously just quote a guy who said Poots is using this war to give his CONSCRIPTS combat experience and then go on to believe everything else he said? Do you even know what a conscript is? If you did you would realize how fukking stupid that concept is LMAO. You out due yourself every day on the stupidness of your post.
Makes total sense, also opened up a dozen+ positions for upper management.
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Just heard an interesting talk with Andrei Martyanov

https://asiatimes.com/tag/andrei-martyanov/

According to him, what Putin is doing is cycling his new recruits through Ukraine to give them combat experience. Essentially he's using this as a training exercise.
Not sure if srs, so even you're saying that he's throwing untrained conscripts into an active warzone and this can be considered as "giving them combat experience". Ded.
Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Also has serious lols at all the people thinking May 9th is some kind of deadline for Putin; says that is just the west thinking they're still dealing with the soviet union.
Might want to look up things, although it's obvious you never do. The May 9th mass parades weren't a thing in the Soviet Union, they only became an annual big thing after Putin came to power.
Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Also lol'd at the seizing of russian assets, a lot of the oligarchs Putin has to deal with are throw backs from before he took power and they are essentially his rivals, so you're just doing him a big favor by taking their money. A lot of them don't even live in russia, they live in London.
Uh huh sure, Putin is known to be cool with whatever oligarchs there were around and isn't known for purging/imprisoning and replacing them with his own loyal subjects. Doubly so with his "rivals". Or even critics.

"Brb the sanctions don't work and only hurt you"
"Brb the West is doing Putin a favour by freezing the assets of his lackeys"
"Brb Putin got it all figured out, he's speeding up the training of the freshly grabbed conscripts by dropping them into the meat grinder"
"Brb brb"

Keep seething.
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With Moska turned into a submarine the rest of their fleet is getting bombed by drones uncontested. All part of the plan fellas!

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Wonder what kind of empty threats Russia is now going to throw at Finland since they are applying for NATO.

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LMAO

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-61296682

Labrov gonna catch a bullet to the back of his head.
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Just heard an interesting talk with Andrei Martyanov

https://asiatimes.com/tag/andrei-martyanov/

According to him, what Putin is doing is cycling his new recruits through Ukraine to give them combat experience. Essentially he's using this as a training exercise. Also has serious lols at all the people thinking May 9th is some kind of deadline for Putin; says that is just the west thinking they're still dealing with the soviet union. Also lol'd at the seizing of russian assets, a lot of the oligarchs Putin has to deal with are throw backs from before he took power and they are essentially his rivals, so you're just doing him a big favor by taking their money. A lot of them don't even live in russia, they live in London.
doesn't make sense. it's like throwing a soccer mom into a ring against a trained boxer:

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Originally Posted By ispy⏩
doesn't make sense. it's like throwing a soccer mom into a ring against a trained boxer:

It’s nonsense. Stizzel is closing in on Skytard level shiet posting. Using a war as deadly as this one for “experience” is fukking retarded and I promise no military on earth would do something like this.
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[QUOTE=ispy post_id=1660610803]doesn't make sense. it's like throwing a soccer mom into a ring against a trained boxer:

[youtube]OKEdGAdO2J0?start=170[/youtu》be][/QUOTE]Don't forget to give the soccer mom a 100k escalade that the boxer either destroys or captures. Russia has lost so much equipment, it is funny.

Stizzel will do anything to not believe the truth. He does it on every topic. The sun is hot? No, that's just the msm telling us that... the sun is actually cold and here's a random link why.

[URL=https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html?m=1]https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...pment.html?m=1[/URL]

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There's a persistent narrative from pro-Russians that Putin is keeping the 'good troops' in reserve while allowing the inexperienced ones to gain combat experience and weaken Ukrainanian resistance. That might have been defensible, although implausible, in days 1 to 3. It makes no sense whatsover 60+ days into a war where the Russians are bogged down and suffering horrible losses.
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Originally Posted By Mr
There's a persistent narrative from pro-Russians that Putin is keeping the 'good troops' in reserve while allowing the inexperienced ones to gain combat experience and weaken Ukrainanian resistance. That might have been defensible, although implausible, in days 1 to 3. It makes no sense whatsover 60+ days into a war where the Russians are bogged down and suffering horrible losses.
We know for a fact their elite Paratroopers suffered immense losses in the first 72 hours as well. That is literally FAKE NEWS.
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Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget⏩
how long before this world wide proxy war turns into a full on war?
how much more death and destruction was caused by the world interfering?
how much longer was this whole thing drawn out by the world interfering?
and why the fuk should we care it's happening to ukraine?
nobody seemed to care when russia did this before but now, now the U.S. needs to get involved.

also the absolute ridiculousness of everyone giving money and weapons to ukraine then claiming neutral or not going to war with russia.
I share your concerns about proxy war becoming more than just a proxy war.

But your argument about the world interfering is misplaced. If Putin had not invaded in the first place how much death and destruction could have been avoided? The issue is not with the west and its proxy war, the issue is with Putin.

Do you really think Putin would have stopped at the Ukraine border if no resistance was put forward?
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[QUOTE=ispy post_id=1660610803]doesn't make sense. it's like throwing a soccer mom into a ring against a trained boxer:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/OKEdGAdO2J0?start=170[/youtube][/QUOTE]I think you're idolizing your nazi heroes too much

[QUOTE=metroins post_id=1660611383]Don't forget to give the soccer mom a 100k escalade that the boxer either destroys or captures. Russia has lost so much equipment, it is funny.

Stizzel will do anything to not believe the truth. He does it on every topic. The sun is hot? No, that's just the msm telling us that... the sun is actually cold and here's a random link why.

[URL=https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html?m=1]https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...pment.html?m=1[/URL]



[Img]https://katapult-magazin.de/media/pages/artikel/ukrainian-farmers-stealing-russian-tanks/3e6719ef0e-1646695198/ukraine-vorlage-01-1200x.png[/Ig][/QUOTE]I'm referencing someone that is an actual expert on this subject lmao

Stay mad
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
I think you're idolizing your nazi heroes too much



I'm referencing someone that is an actual expert on this subject lmao

Stay mad
Which Nazi’s are you referring to since Poots has now called everyone who has helped Ukraine out as Nazi’s? Be more specific boyo, that word doesn’t mean what it used to.
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
I think you're idolizing your nazi heroes too much



I'm referencing someone that is an actual expert on this subject lmao

Stay mad
Dude is a Russian actor, fukking LMAO @ being an “expert”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr...ovich_Martynov

God damn you are an idiot.
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Just heard an interesting talk with Andrei Martyanov

https://asiatimes.com/tag/andrei-martyanov/

According to him, what Putin is doing is cycling his new recruits through Ukraine to give them combat experience. Essentially he's using this as a training exercise. Also has serious lols at all the people thinking May 9th is some kind of deadline for Putin; says that is just the west thinking they're still dealing with the soviet union. Also lol'd at the seizing of russian assets, a lot of the oligarchs Putin has to deal with are throw backs from before he took power and they are essentially his rivals, so you're just doing him a big favor by taking their money. A lot of them don't even live in russia, they live in London.
Started the discussion over, apparently I had started listening near the end.

Some more interesting takes -

The videos of russian military going around on the web aren't the actual russian military, it is the local pro-russian militias in the donbass. The russian military is extremely disciplined.

Ukrainian military was defeated in the first few weeks of the war. Explains the importance of mobility in modern warfare and the first thing Russia did was destroy Ukraine's ability to move troops/equipment. At that point it was only a matter of time.

Russia's goal was always to take over eastern ukraine to establish a land bridge. Negotiations were a farce. The man russia sent to negotiate had no experience in international negotiations. They knew all along it would accomplish nothing.

Major lols had at the equipment being sent to ukraine. Explain that each country is just sending whatever extra equipment they have and want to get rid of. It's just a random mix of gear with no logistical way to use together. Also mentions javelins and stingers everyone is so excited about are practically useless. Based on the number of them used relative to the equipment destroyed they're essentially a non factor. They get into the way combat effectiveness is calculated a bit. Apparently as far back as world war 2 russia started developing a strategy for using artillery as their primary weapon and establishing complicated mathematical models to determine where and how to use them.
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Originally Posted By chalup⏩
Dude is a Russian actor, fukking LMAO @ being an “expert”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr...ovich_Martynov

God damn you are an idiot.
Or that's Andrey rather than Andrei and you're the idiot

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ANDREI MARTYANOV is an expert on Russian military and naval issues. He was born in Baku, USSR, graduated from the Kirov Naval Red Banner Academy and served as an officer on the ships and staff position of Soviet Coast Guard through 1990.
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Originally Posted By Mr
There's a persistent narrative from pro-Russians that Putin is keeping the 'good troops' in reserve while allowing the inexperienced ones to gain combat experience and weaken Ukrainanian resistance. That might have been defensible, although implausible, in days 1 to 3. It makes no sense whatsover 60+ days into a war where the Russians are bogged down and suffering horrible losses.
The putinshills mind gymnastics, bad 4chan memes and fake news to cope with russia taking Ls on a daily basis is what makes the thread at this point though. It's so funny, I like to come back to this thread until it'll start to become sad and pityful.
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Originally Posted By Mr
There's a persistent narrative from pro-Russians that Putin is keeping the 'good troops' in reserve while allowing the inexperienced ones to gain combat experience and weaken Ukrainanian resistance. That might have been defensible, although implausible, in days 1 to 3. It makes no sense whatsover 60+ days into a war where the Russians are bogged down and suffering horrible losses.
I'm going to repeat what Andrei is saying, and if this is true it makes sense to me. Most of the losses have been local militia, not russian military. The russian strategy involves using artillery as their primary weapon. For example, Ukraine just sent a battalion on a suicide mission into Izum and all russia did was trap them and shell them. Russia almost never fights in actual direct combat.
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Or that's Andrey rather than Andrei and you're the idiot

https://g.co/kgs/MbkW7N



OH so an author that hates America, I’m sure his opinion is unbiased and truthful boyo.

Tell me again why you continue to live in America? You too poor to leave?
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Originally Posted By chalup⏩
OH so an author that hates America, I’m sure his opinion is unbiased and truthful boyo.

Tell me again why you continue to live in America? You too poor to leave?
Yes he came to America to write books helping Americans understand how to counter the russian military based on his background in the soviet military because he hates America. Also he's an actor.

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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
I'm going to repeat what Andrei is saying, and if this is true it makes sense to me. Most of the losses have been local militia, not russian military. The russian strategy involves using artillery as their primary weapon. For example, Ukraine just sent a battalion on a suicide mission into Izum and all russia did was trap them and shell them. Russia almost never fights in actual direct combat.
Lol. Yes the paratroopers who got slaughtered aren’t Russians real military. The 20,000+ casualties aren’t actually Russians, genius dude. You could literally work for the Kremlin with that retarded line of thinking.
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
I think you're idolizing your nazi heroes too much
which nazi heroes? the ukrainian, or the russian? both have plenty of them. it doesn't make a difference to me who "wins" or "loses". i left back when both were still a part of soviet union, because it wasn't, and still isn't a place where a person with an ounce of brain would want to live in. wouldn't go back there if i was paid to do so.
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
I share your concerns about proxy war becoming more than just a proxy war.

But your argument about the world interfering is misplaced. If Putin had not invaded in the first place how much death and destruction could have been avoided? The issue is not with the west and its proxy war, the issue is with Putin.

Do you really think Putin would have stopped at the Ukraine border if no resistance was put forward?
then why isn't anyone dealing with putin directly if he is the problem?
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Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget⏩
then why isn't anyone dealing with putin directly if he is the problem?
lol
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Started the discussion over, apparently I had started listening near the end.

Some more interesting takes -

The videos of russian military going around on the web aren't the actual russian military, it is the local pro-russian militias in the donbass. The russian military is extremely disciplined.
Uh huh, all that footage about Hostomel/Kiev and whatever VDV airdrops, Spetznaz, Chechens, Russian regulars were just the Donbabwe militia. I guess same goes for the officers and generals who got blown up.
Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Ukrainian military was defeated in the first few weeks of the war.
Lmao. So who are the Russians still fighting against?
Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Russia's goal was always to take over eastern ukraine to establish a land bridge. Negotiations were a farce. The man russia sent to negotiate had no experience in international negotiations. They knew all along it would accomplish nothing.
Right, guess the whole Belarus-Kyiv thing and the northern front were just feints, because suffering heavy losses is A ok, after all they were just Donbass militia and not the best Russia had.

Also apparently the goal was to take over the oblasts that were already more or less under Russian control.

Also Russia never wanted to peacefully end the conflict, thanks for adding that part, now we can get rid of the "Zelensky and Ukrainians could end this peacefully any day" bullchit narrative.
Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Major lols had at the equipment being sent to ukraine. Explain that each country is just sending whatever extra equipment they have and want to get rid of. It's just a random mix of gear with no logistical way to use together. Also mentions javelins and stingers everyone is so excited about are practically useless. Based on the number of them used relative to the equipment destroyed they're essentially a non factor.
Maximum cope and more blatant lies. Ukies were being trained for all of the modern equipment that is being shipped, not to mention all the MANPADS, drones and whatever. Also something something Bayraktar. Meanwhile Russia's best tech is from the Cold War.
Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Apparently as far back as world war 2 russia started developing a strategy for using artillery as their primary weapon and establishing complicated mathematical models to determine where and how to use them.
Yes, we can see that Russia never really moved beyond WW2 - Napoleonic era strategy of human waves and "fire artillery, throw bodies at the problem".

"Complicated mathematic models" - uh huh, for what, Donbass militia?

All in all the Russian army is disciplined and cool and tactical and whatever, only the militia were blown up - being dressed up as pros -, Ukrainian army has been long destroyed and it was all a feint bro. Also the NATO weapon supplies are totally useless, bro.

So what the hell is going on, hmm? Post Moskva pls.
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Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget⏩
then why isn't anyone dealing with putin directly if he is the problem?
Ifhe is the problem? Of course he's the problem. It was Putin that ordered this invasion.


I'm no politician but I'm not sure how the west could deal with Putin directly. The fact remains, as you well know, that but for Putin's invasion death and destruction at the scale we're seeing would non existent. I have no dog in this fight - I support neither Ukraine nor Russia. But Russia is the aggressor here.


Did you miss my question - "Do you really think Putin would have stopped at the Ukraine border if no resistance was put forward?". Care to answer?
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Originally Posted By chalup⏩
OH so an author that hates America, I’m sure his opinion is unbiased and truthful boyo.

Tell me again why you continue to live in America? You too poor to leave?
Bald, stupid, and broke? Rough life for Snizzel here.

Originally Posted By chalup⏩
Lol. Yes the paratroopers who got slaughtered aren’t Russians real military. The 20,000+ casualties aren’t actually Russians, genius dude. You could literally work for the Kremlin with that retarded line of thinking.
He went broke from donating his poverty wages to Stop the Steal. 😂
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