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Thread: Never Trumpers(aka Republicans for Hillary), how can you let the SUPREME COURT fall?

post 1459598743 08-27-2016, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted By neverquit2012⏩
And you are still ignoring the Supreme Court argument. Voting 3rd party is a totally lost cause. Can't believe you're going to waste gas money and time out of your day to do that.
I agree with what you're saying about the Supreme Court. It's just already lost. The only thing that can be changed is by how much Trump loses. The larger the pool of 3rd party voters is the more incentive there is for republicans (or dems I guess but they seem to be going more the Bernie route) to alter their platform to appeal to them in the future. I'd rather see less focus on social issues and more focus on economics but even then the way things are now you couldn't have a republican president who would both regulate wall street and deregulate other industries or raise taxes on billionaires and lower them for the middle class and small business owners. Devolving into fans of a team instead of independent people trying to make the best possible decision is the worst thing that can happen in a democracy imo.
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Originally Posted By neverquit2012⏩
So you really believe there is hope for the republicans after a Clinton presidency/Supreme Court? Have you not read the political statistics/demographics? Have you not seen how close this country already is to becoming a liberal majority? Do you not understand how a 550% increase in immigration + open borders will guarantee another republican is never elected?

I won't argue that Trump is not a true conservative. If you ever want a true conservative to be elected again though, then you should be very concerned about Hillary's immigration policies and very enthusiastic about Trump's. At least with Trump's closed border, there's a chance a true conservative can win in the future. You and I both know that once Hillary enacts her immigration policies there will never be another conservative in the White House, not even a moderate.
Great post and argument.

That's another thing for the never Trump camp to consider. When millions of illegal immigrants are given citizenship by the Democrats, they'll be Democratic voters. The millions more that will be allowed and welcomed to come into our country over the next 4 years will only cement the position of leadership that the Democrats will be in.

That's the reality. Look at the statistics that people post talking about how Romney would have won in a landslide with 1980/1984 demographics, while Reagan would have been destroyed with 2008/2012 demographics. It's no joke. Conservatives will never be elected and our constitution will be destroyed if we allow millions of communists/socialists into our country.
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Originally Posted By PrivilegeCheker⏩
No one is coming to take the guns because no one is going to give them up. We're not a bunch of low test cucks like Europe or Australia.
I wish that were the case, but it aint. Push comes to shove, vast majority of law biding types who have families to feed and jobs to keep who could not afford to become felons due to owning X newly banned gun would turn them in. There would be far more holdouts than the " low test cucks like Europe or Australia" to be sure, but people lined up to turn in their now banned ARs in CT in 2014. They'll never pass an outright ban, just chip away at one evil scary type of gun at a time.
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post 1459599473 08-27-2016, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted By tyqb4⏩
I agree with what you're saying about the Supreme Court. It's just already lost. The only thing that can be changed is by how much Trump loses. The larger the pool of 3rd party voters is the more incentive there is for republicans (or dems I guess but they seem to be going more the Bernie route) to alter their platform to appeal to them in the future. I'd rather see less focus on social issues and more focus on economics but even then the way things are now you couldn't have a republican president who would both regulate wall street and deregulate other industries or raise taxes on billionaires and lower them for the middle class and small business owners. Devolving into fans of a team instead of independent people trying to make the best possible decision is the worst thing that can happen in a democracy imo.
"Independent people" are the ones who are ensuring Trump's defeat. What do you mean "it's already lost"? It's only lost if the never Trumpers like you refuse to vote for reasons which I still cannot understand.
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post 1459599533 08-27-2016, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted By neverquit2012⏩
So you really believe there is hope for the republicans after a Clinton presidency/Supreme Court? Have you not read the political statistics/demographics? Have you not seen how close this country already is to becoming a liberal majority? Do you not understand how a 550% increase in immigration + open borders will guarantee another republican is never elected?

I won't argue that Trump is not a true conservative. If you ever want a true conservative to be elected again though, then you should be very concerned about Hillary's immigration policies and very enthusiastic about Trump's. At least with Trump's closed border, there's a chance a true conservative can win in the future. You and I both know that once Hillary enacts her immigration policies there will never be another conservative in the White House, not even a moderate.
He is at 20% support from young people. The new generation doesn't want him. And if we make him the face of conservatism they won't want conservatism either and he will be the last Republican President.
Maybe I am wrong though and he wins and ends up being the best President we've ever had and revives conservatism amoung the youth. But that's a big gamble.
I completely understand your reasoning as to why out of fear of Hillary you will vote for Trump. We just dont see it the same way. As much as I didn't like Ted Cruzs bible thumping borderline preaching, I never doubted that he believed in conservative principles. I don't get the same feeling with Trump.
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post 1459599563 08-27-2016, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted By neverquit2012⏩
Seriously? You're worried about how much a war will cost? How much do you think welfare and food stamps for the 550% increase in immigrants that Clinton is bringing in will cost?
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[QUOTE=JB05 post_id=1459599563][img]http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/politifact/photos/Budget_pie_chart_meme.jpg[/QUOTE]Welfare and food stamps do a lot more than sap public coffers. They enable poor choices and bad behavior. They remove individual responsibility and put that burden onto taxpayers.

Heck I'm not even against food stamps and welfare, if a person loses their job or is hurt and can't work, I'm all for helping them out if there isn't an organization that would help them out (there are and there would be). What I'm against is enabling people to make crappy choices and propping them up with taxpayer dollars. It isn't my responsibility to take care of you and your kids. It's your responsibility to take care of yourself and your own children.
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btw for everyone in the thread wondering why the court doesn't have term limits or why not this or that...its because the founders wrote the constitution for a nation that wasn't batchit insane.they cant save us from ourselves, and both trump and jezebel are reflections of how far gone we really are. nothing short of national repentance and mass christian revival will prevent judgment now.

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Originally Posted By PrivilegeCheker⏩
He is at 20% support from young people. The new generation doesn't want him. And if we make him the face of conservatism they won't want conservatism either and he will be the last Republican President.
Maybe I am wrong though and he wins and ends up being the best President we've ever had and revives conservatism amoung the youth. But that's a big gamble.
I completely understand your reasoning as to why out of fear of Hillary you will vote for Trump. We just dont see it the same way. As much as I didn't like Ted Cruzs bible thumping borderline preaching, I never doubted that he believed in conservative principles. I don't get the same feeling with Trump.
You're ignoring my immigration argument. Ok, so maybe Trump becomes the face of the GOP and we never have another conservative. I hope not, but that is possible.

And seriously? You're not voting because it's a "big gamble"???? So instead your going to let Hillary win and GUARANTEE another Republican is never elected?

You and I BOTH know that a Hillary presidency will GUARANTEE there is never another republican president simply based off how her immigration policies will impact voter demographics.

Imagine it this way. Trump is a shot to the chest. The GOP may or may not die from the wound. Hillary is a shot to the brain. The GOP is guaranteed to be dead. You're really just going to say fuk it and go with a shot to the head?

At the very worst, Trump is a gamble. Hillary is a guarantee. There's not other way to look at it.
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post 1459601403 08-27-2016, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted By Qong⏩
Welfare and food stamps do a lot more than sap public coffers. They enable poor choices and bad behavior. They remove individual responsibility and put that burden onto taxpayers.

Heck I'm not even against food stamps and welfare, if a person loses their job or is hurt and can't work, I'm all for helping them out if there isn't an organization that would help them out (there are and there would be). What I'm against is enabling people to make crappy choices and propping them up with taxpayer dollars. It isn't my responsibility to take care of you and your kids. It's your responsibility to take care of yourself and your own children.
No body was arguing about the merits of food stamps. Dude was arguing about some idiot equating it with the cost of war
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Originally Posted By JB05⏩
Explain to me your reasoning that Trump will start a war?

I'm not denying the stats in that photo. However, the caption shows this was taken from a liberally biased source.

Additionally, do you not realize how drastically those numbers will change with a 550% increase in immigrants? It will be a much larger portion of that pie.
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post 1459601573 08-27-2016, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted By jimmyjabbar⏩
No body was arguing about the merits of food stamps. Dude was arguing about some idiot equating it with the cost of war
Maybe you can enlighten me then and provide support that Trump will start a war?
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post 1459601923 08-27-2016, 06:33 PM
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Is it just me, or does anyone else in here notice how the never Trumpers are completely avoiding criticism of Clinton?
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post 1459603013 08-27-2016, 06:42 PM
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I can't believe there's anyone on the Misc. who would actually pick Hillary over Trump. ***gots
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Originally Posted By neverquit2012⏩
You're ignoring my immigration argument. Ok, so maybe Trump becomes the face of the GOP and we never have another conservative. I hope not, but that is possible.

And seriously? You're not voting because it's a "big gamble"???? So instead your going to let Hillary win and GUARANTEE another Republican is never elected?

You and I BOTH know that a Hillary presidency will GUARANTEE there is never another republican president simply based off how her immigration policies will impact voter demographics.

Imagine it this way. Trump is a shot to the chest. The GOP may or may not die from the wound. Hillary is a shot to the brain. The GOP is guaranteed to be dead. You're really just going to say fuk it and go with a shot to the head?

At the very worst, Trump is a gamble. Hillary is a guarantee. There's not other way to look at it.


This really shows exactly how i feel on voting for Trump. I would really suggest you give it a listen. I can't put it in better words.
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post 1459603893 08-27-2016, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted By PrivilegeCheker⏩


This really shows exactly how i feel on voting for Trump. I would really suggest you give it a listen. I can't put it in better words.
Are you really linking that manlet Ben Shapiro?

Muh michelle fields
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We need conservative judges to overturn gay marriage and abortions so we can be more like Saudi Arabia, who we hate Hillary for accepting donations from folks. Listen to the Cheeto.
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Originally Posted By PrivilegeCheker⏩


This really shows exactly how i feel on voting for Trump. I would really suggest you give it a listen. I can't put it in better words.
Just listened to it. It doesn't sound any different than the argument you made above. It also totally ignored the immigration aspect. Yes, I understand you don't want Trump as the new standard for the GOP and I don't either. You just continue to ignore the immigration facts though just as the video above did and I'm not sure what else to say. If Hillary wins, there will never be another republican again. Period. I've said it 10 times and I'll say it again: Her immigration policies will never allow another republican of any caliber in the White House. What do you not understand about that???

You're delusional if you think any republican will ever win after Hillary distributes several million immigrants throughout America, specifically in the red states.

As I said before, Trump is a shot to the chest, Hillary is a shot to the head.

You continue to ignore the immigration issue. I've got nothing left to say. I can't argue with you when you won acknowledge my argument.
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Originally Posted By lvelfe⏩
Are you really linking that manlet Ben Shapiro?

Muh michelle fields
You mean the man that has been taking down gun grabbers, BLM, SJW, and anyone that dared debate him since before trump was even a Republican? The one that Milo was to scared to debate? Yes. Yes i am.
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Hope Hillary dies of whatever disease she has, and trump steps down. Not looking forward to this nightmare.
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Originally Posted By BrianDaMan⏩
We need conservative judges to overturn gay marriage and abortions so we can be more like Saudi Arabia, who we hate Hillary for accepting donations from folks. Listen to the Cheeto.
So you're more concerned about gay rights and abortion issues that don't even affect you than you are about tax hikes, a 550% increase in immigration, limited freedom of speech, the 2nd amendment...

Social Justic Warrior identified ^^. Don't you have a Hillary rally to be at?
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Originally Posted By funkygrunt017⏩
Hope Hillary dies of whatever disease she has, and trump steps down. Not looking forward to this nightmare.
If Hillary dies then Biden will enter. We all know Uncle Joe would win in a landslide. Let's hope Hillary stays healthy. She's the easiest candidate to beat.
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Originally Posted By PrivilegeCheker⏩
You mean the man that has been taking down gun grabbers, BLM, SJW, and anyone that dared debate him since before trump was even a Republican? The one that Milo was to scared to debate? Yes. Yes i am.
"Taking down gun grabbers, BLM, SJW.."

Good luck with taking down any of those people once Hillary wins and stacks the court. Also, you can forget about every buying a gun again.

Ben Shapiro's work will be as useless as a toothpick against the Russian army once Hillary wins.
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Originally Posted By neverquit2012⏩
Just listened to it. It doesn't sound any different than the argument you made above. It also totally ignored the immigration aspect. Yes, I understand you don't want Trump as the new standard for the GOP and I don't either. You just continue to ignore the immigration facts though just as the video above did and I'm not sure what else to say. If Hillary wins, there will never be another republican again. Period. I've said it 10 times and I'll say it again: Her immigration policies will never allow another republican of any caliber in the White House. What do you not understand about that???

You're delusional if you think any republican will ever win after Hillary distributes several million immigrants throughout America, specifically in the red states.

As I said before, Trump is a shot to the chest, Hillary is a shot to the head.

You continue to ignore the immigration issue. I've got nothing left to say. I can't argue with you when you won acknowledge my argument.
I think thats a scare tactic. Obama didn't bring enough immigrants here to never have a Republican President again and neither will hill dog. Do they want too? Probably.
But come on you're arguning that Hillary is going to bus in millions of immigrants and drop them off at key states, give them citizenship and force them all to vote. And she's going to do this in 4 years...I don't buy it. This just sounds like a conspiracy theory
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Originally Posted By neverquit2012⏩
"Independent people" are the ones who are ensuring Trump's defeat. What do you mean "it's already lost"? It's only lost if the never Trumpers like you refuse to vote for reasons which I still cannot understand.
My state is going to him either way because most people think the same way you do. He will win some states by a little less than you would expect and that's about it. He didn't do enough to win independents and convert democrats to overcome the huge demographic disadvantage he has so voting for him is a lost cause as things are now. Might as well vote 3rd party and increase the pool of winnable voters for 2020 unless you really think Trump could be a good president and agree with the current direction of the party.
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Originally Posted By PrivilegeCheker⏩
You mean the man that has been taking down gun grabbers, BLM, SJW, and anyone that dared debate him since before trump was even a Republican? The one that Milo was to scared to debate? Yes. Yes i am.
No one even knew who Ben Shapiro was before this election. Also, people hate SJWs even more because of Trump. Finally, I don't see a democrat winning after 8 years of Obama.

I live in California so I don't give a crap either way.
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Originally Posted By funkygrunt017⏩
Hope Hillary dies of whatever disease she has, and trump steps down. Not looking forward to this nightmare.
That would result in President Johnson. Feel dat Johnson.
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Originally Posted By lvelfe⏩
No one even knew who Ben Shapiro was before this election. Also, people hate SJWs even more because of Trump. Finally, I don't see a democrat winning after 8 years of Obama.

I live in California so I don't give a crap either way.
Maybe people like you who weren't politically involved and this is their first election. Many of us still remember him taking down Pierce Morgan years ago on gun control
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Originally Posted By PrivilegeCheker⏩
Maybe people like you who weren't politically involved and this is their first election. Many of us still remember him taking down Pierce Morgan years ago on gun control
This is my second election. Mitt Romney was the worst choice for 2012, not even surprised he lost. Ron Paul '12
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Originally Posted By PrivilegeCheker⏩
I think thats a scare tactic. Obama didn't bring enough immigrants here to never have a Republican President again and neither will hill dog. Do they want too? Probably.
But come on you're arguning that Hillary is going to bus in millions of immigrants and drop them off at key states, give them citizenship and force them all to vote. And she's going to do this in 4 years...I don't buy it. This just sounds like a conspiracy theory
You "think"? Well I'm glad you can say that with certainty.

You called it a "gamble" to elect trump...yet you're willing to gamble that Hillary doesn't uphold her liberal policies because you "think" it's a scare tactic? There are already multiple states that were formerly red which are now tipping towards blue, and you're willing to gamble that these states are never red again?

You're choosing to ignore what makes you uncomfortable in order to uphold your never trump fanaticism. You claim it's a conspiracy theory and provided zero support for this.
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