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04-21-2017, 12:36 AM
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In sense you work software sales, obviously its important to have that sales experience that show soft skills development... But how important is the technical experience, like to know the ins and outs of the actual software you're selling?
When I first heard about Saas I thought the technical know-how (i.e. computer science background) would be real important, thinking you'd be talking to like the developers and engineers of a company, but it seems like you can just draw leads from the, say, business dev department or whatever.
So im interest in learning like how important than technical background is, as well as how you would choose your target customers and who you go to in those companies to actually close a deal??
When I first heard about Saas I thought the technical know-how (i.e. computer science background) would be real important, thinking you'd be talking to like the developers and engineers of a company, but it seems like you can just draw leads from the, say, business dev department or whatever.
So im interest in learning like how important than technical background is, as well as how you would choose your target customers and who you go to in those companies to actually close a deal??
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04-21-2017, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted By Peacening⏩
I'm glad to hear it, thanks for the reply. I don't have any plans to do anything abnormal.That doesn't seem weird to me tbh, that's xactly what I'd do with the money.
Originally Posted By Slurgie⏩
See here's the thing, my work has me travel. Maybe once per month or so (3-4 day trips) around the country and a lot of those days I have 4-5 free hours in a day to go see/do what I want, so I guess I feel like I do "vacation" a lot from that. Staying in hotels, renting cars, etc.I would spend it on experiences instead of material goods. See the world a little bit.
I never go overseas though. I've never been overseas or to Mexico.
Also, being honest again, the last thing I want to do on my "days off" is pack another bag and fly again. I guess that's another reason I don't travel the world.
04-21-2017, 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted By Rafeeks⏩
Often times if you're going to get really technical, you'll just coordinate a meeting between their technical team and yours, and let your programmers do the talking for the in the weeds stuff.In sense you work software sales, obviously its important to have that sales experience that show soft skills development... But how important is the technical experience, like to know the ins and outs of the actual software you're selling?
When I first heard about Saas I thought the technical know-how (i.e. computer science background) would be real important, thinking you'd be talking to like the developers and engineers of a company, but it seems like you can just draw leads from the, say, business dev department or whatever.
So im interest in learning like how you would choose your target customers and who you go to in those companies to actually close a deal??
When I first heard about Saas I thought the technical know-how (i.e. computer science background) would be real important, thinking you'd be talking to like the developers and engineers of a company, but it seems like you can just draw leads from the, say, business dev department or whatever.
So im interest in learning like how you would choose your target customers and who you go to in those companies to actually close a deal??
That being said, I'm learning it pretty well as I go and getting a little technical. A programmer would walk circles around me but I at least know our functionality, what it does, and a vague idea of how it's programmed to do so. It's hard for me to explain my own skills because I don't know what you'd consider deep knowledge and easy stuff.
I'm just a normal guy and no programmer if that helps. The technical knowledge on the level you describe is not necessary for the reasons I describe above. We have resources for that.
A lot of my leads come to me but if I were at a smaller company I'm sure some cold calling would be necessary. Luckily I don't do that right now.
04-21-2017, 12:40 AM
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i wnat to start a software developent training company. going to companies and doing sessions to developers. companies have trainig budgets and rather whole team go to a class for 1-2 hours than say 'hey go online, learn at home'.
that's what i wnat to sell one day. i'm a good teacher and want to get out of coding. getting too old.
that's what i wnat to sell one day. i'm a good teacher and want to get out of coding. getting too old.
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04-21-2017, 12:43 AM
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What are you going to spend your money on?
Do you work in The Bay?
Is it true that tech companies dont care what their sales people go to school for, but more so care about the school they went to?
Do you work in The Bay?
Is it true that tech companies dont care what their sales people go to school for, but more so care about the school they went to?
04-21-2017, 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted By Hadtodoit⏩
salluute. Thanks man that makes sense.Often times if you're going to get really technical, you'll just coordinate a meeting between their technical team and yours, and let your programmers do the talking for the in the weeds stuff.
That being said, I'm learning it pretty well as I go and getting a little technical. A programmer would walk circles around me but I at least know our functionality, what it does, and a vague idea of how it's programmed to do so. It's hard for me to explain my own skills because I don't know what you'd consider deep knowledge and easy stuff.
I'm just a normal guy and no programmer if that helps. The technical knowledge on the level you describe is not necessary for the reasons I describe above. We have resources for that.
A lot of my leads come to me but if I were at a smaller company I'm sure some cold calling would be necessary. Luckily I don't do that right now.
That being said, I'm learning it pretty well as I go and getting a little technical. A programmer would walk circles around me but I at least know our functionality, what it does, and a vague idea of how it's programmed to do so. It's hard for me to explain my own skills because I don't know what you'd consider deep knowledge and easy stuff.
I'm just a normal guy and no programmer if that helps. The technical knowledge on the level you describe is not necessary for the reasons I describe above. We have resources for that.
A lot of my leads come to me but if I were at a smaller company I'm sure some cold calling would be necessary. Luckily I don't do that right now.
I'm in school pursuing that technical knowledge, but do want to land a sales role upon graduation - cause of the vertical potential like you said.
Also, is the company public or private, and does it even matter for Saas lol?
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04-21-2017, 12:49 AM
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Corporate sales. I know the feeling.
I asked for a $80,000 CPU farm to do some calculations for my studio of 15. Managet recommended we buy a $750,000 server from his mate.
brb.
- need to buy a USB stick. 8gb = $45 charged to my studio.
- Engineer needed a laptop. charged $5,000 for a laptop and given a second hand one without a proper wall plug.
- needed new work cubicles. charged $15,000 each for a 2mx2m cubicle which was a table and 3 walls.
- new PC. $18,000 work stations each for every person including the reception girl who checks her email.
I asked for a $80,000 CPU farm to do some calculations for my studio of 15. Managet recommended we buy a $750,000 server from his mate.
brb.
- need to buy a USB stick. 8gb = $45 charged to my studio.
- Engineer needed a laptop. charged $5,000 for a laptop and given a second hand one without a proper wall plug.
- needed new work cubicles. charged $15,000 each for a 2mx2m cubicle which was a table and 3 walls.
- new PC. $18,000 work stations each for every person including the reception girl who checks her email.
04-21-2017, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted By aal04⏩
Yep. Corporate is all about "buying from a legit well known place we have account with" so no one gets fired if something doesn't work out.Corporate sales. I know the feeling.
I asked for a $80,000 CPU farm to do some calculations for my studio of 15. Managet recommended we buy a $750,000 server from his mate.
brb.
- need to buy a USB stick. 8gb = $45 charged to my studio.
- Engineer needed a laptop. charged $5,000 for a laptop and given a second hand one without a proper wall plug.
- needed new work cubicles. charged $15,000 each for a 2mx2m cubicle which was a table and 3 walls.
- new PC. $18,000 work stations each for every person including the reception girl who checks her email.
I asked for a $80,000 CPU farm to do some calculations for my studio of 15. Managet recommended we buy a $750,000 server from his mate.
brb.
- need to buy a USB stick. 8gb = $45 charged to my studio.
- Engineer needed a laptop. charged $5,000 for a laptop and given a second hand one without a proper wall plug.
- needed new work cubicles. charged $15,000 each for a 2mx2m cubicle which was a table and 3 walls.
- new PC. $18,000 work stations each for every person including the reception girl who checks her email.
Say you recommend saving money, products don't work out, now you're called to the carpet for going with somethign different just to save money. Why companies keep buying microsoft. No CTO will get fired for going microsoft. So hard for the little guy to sell to corporations.
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04-21-2017, 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted By Hadtodoit⏩
You're almost 30. Not old, but you'll regret it if you don't take an extended leave and travel a bit.I guess that's another reason I don't travel the world.
Both of us come from similar backgrounds and now earn decent money, so I can empathize with the saving/investing thing and being frugal. But I broke out of it a bit. You go way too far with it (like not buying some software, or a subscription) - it's irrational.
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04-21-2017, 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted By Bentley41⏩
1) I don't know man, stocks? There's not a ton I want right now. So I don't think I'll buy anything lol. Investments I guess. Compound interest is the best thing ever.What are you going to spend your money on?
Do you work in The Bay?
Is it true that tech companies dont care what their sales people go to school for, but more so care about the school they went to?
Do you work in The Bay?
Is it true that tech companies dont care what their sales people go to school for, but more so care about the school they went to?
2) No, west coast though.
3) Neither of those are necessarily true. The companies care that you're going to #1 represent them well. You're their connection to customers, so they want you to come across as humble, trustworthy, and valuable to them in terms of knowledge you have. #2 they want to know that you're going to return their investment to you and perform.
At this point in my career, school is completely irreverent. That being said, schooling will help you get in initially to your first few jobs on that ladder. The guy above said he's learning technical software knowledge, that's valuable.
If I want to get into management, I can as is without a degree as well and can go pretty high based on competency and how much people like you. If I want to be CEO one day though, I'll need an MBA is my guess.
04-21-2017, 12:56 AM
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Hey, your that guy we bought that finance software from that is falling to chit, it's full of bugs, constantly crashes, half the functions aren't functional and it doesnt work on my iphone, you have my word as a schons we'll get you
04-21-2017, 01:00 AM
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04-21-2017, 01:12 AM
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one of the few guys that's actually believable.. keep up the brag threads (srs), as long as they're true
is this the type of sales job people can do over the phone from anywhere/online? or is it required to be in-person? is it a massive well-known company you work for, or more boutique?
is this the type of sales job people can do over the phone from anywhere/online? or is it required to be in-person? is it a massive well-known company you work for, or more boutique?
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04-21-2017, 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted By Luc1fer⏩
Yeah, I actually vividly remember your posts from months ago and your advice lol, I took it to heart.You're almost 30. Not old, but you'll regret it if you don't take an extended leave and travel a bit.
Both of us come from similar backgrounds and now earn decent money, so I can empathize with the saving/investing thing and being frugal. But I broke out of it a bit. You go way too far with it (like not buying some software, or a subscription) - it's irrational.
Both of us come from similar backgrounds and now earn decent money, so I can empathize with the saving/investing thing and being frugal. But I broke out of it a bit. You go way too far with it (like not buying some software, or a subscription) - it's irrational.
I do and I don't. I own some other things that would make you think I don't go too far with it. An exotic car, huge TV and 3br place for myself (technically) but yes in other aspects I do and getting over it. Months ago you reminded me that time is valuable and I'm actually hurting myself trying to save $60 in that instance.
So, good advice.
About the travel thing though, you sure? Because like I said above, I fly around the US a lot. That's 1 reason I don't fly for vacation.
Second is every day I actually take off costs me a TON. My days are my productivity and income.
So if I take a trip for a full week that maybe only costs me $2,000 to take, it actually costs me like $12,000 due to lost productive days at work. So it hurts that much more.
I get it. I should vacation soon.
The third reason though is compound interest. I imagine myself at age 35, with over a million saved, earning roughly $100,000/year in pure interest. THEN I can really unwind and travel.
I'm about as happy as I possibly could be at this point in my life (serious) have beyond great weekends, just holding back the expensive bits (travel and days off work) until the compound interest is kicking hard.
Know what I mean? Do you think it's justifiable a bit?
04-21-2017, 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted By Ermahgerdd⏩
Lol what?Hey, your that guy we bought that finance software from that is falling to chit, it's full of bugs, constantly crashes, half the functions aren't functional and it doesnt work on my iphone, you have my word as a schons we'll get you
Originally Posted By Unyq⏩
Lol thanks man, I appreciate you guys not ripping me apart for this thread. It's the only place I can let it out. Growing up we were the unfortunate family who had nothing and chances were against me. Now I've had some success and you can't really tell anybody so it's hard. For really obvious reasons I can't like.. post my success in dollars on ******** or something, and nobody knows, so it's really nice to feel good on SOME outlet, just happens to be misc.one of the few guys that's actually believable.. keep up the brag threads (srs), as long as they're true
is this the type of sales job people can do over the phone from anywhere/online? or is it required to be in-person? is it a massive well-known company you work for, or more boutique?
is this the type of sales job people can do over the phone from anywhere/online? or is it required to be in-person? is it a massive well-known company you work for, or more boutique?
I work for a fairly big company, near 10,000 employees. I can work from anywhere in the country, a lot of it can be done online with a WebEx, but sometimes I need to be on-site and in person, then I just use the corporate card to book a flight, hotel, rental car, etc.
04-21-2017, 01:19 AM
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04-21-2017, 01:21 AM
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Bro, people like you REALLY inspire me, I want to thank you. I've read a bunch of your posts and find we have a lot in common srs. I'm also in sales now and am making decent money. I'm setup to make around 75k this year without even having a degree (did one semester of community college luls). I LOVE selling and making commission, I've had one other sales job (GNC) and also made decent money off it and sales is such a beautiful thing. ANYWAYS, my question is how do you get into software sales, what I'm trying to say is what type of software sales do you start out with to start making around 100 K ( or something around there since I want to earn more than I'm making now ).
Also, are you doing B2B Phone sales, B2B canvassing , or what ? Thanks for all of your knowledgeable posts and contribution.
Also, are you doing B2B Phone sales, B2B canvassing , or what ? Thanks for all of your knowledgeable posts and contribution.
04-21-2017, 01:22 AM
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mind=blown that you idiots believe this
04-21-2017, 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted By 8PointBuck⏩
Im not sure i do tbh given how limited OPs knowledge on so many topics is.mind=blown that you idiots believe this
That being said i give him the benefit of doubt because itsnot impossible.
Srsly thou
Assuming everything you say is legit op, surely you realize that ypu dont have to be so frugal anymore. You can well afford to splash out. I know you are into the save and invest everything mindset, but at this point you dont need to invest it all snymore.
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04-21-2017, 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted By Hadtodoit⏩
I understand you have a large opportunity cost, but your mentality is still hyper focused on money. There is more to life than money.About the travel thing though, you sure? Because like I said above, I fly around the US a lot. That's 1 reason I don't fly for vacation.
Second is every day I actually take off costs me a TON. My days are my productivity and income.
So if I take a trip for a full week that maybe only costs me $2,000 to take, it actually costs me like $12,000 due to lost productive days at work. So it hurts that much more.
I get it. I should vacation soon.
The third reason though is compound interest. I imagine myself at age 35, with over a million saved, earning roughly $100,000/year in pure interest. THEN I can really unwind and travel.
I'm about as happy as I possibly could be at this point in my life (serious) have beyond great weekends, just holding back the expensive bits (travel and days off work) until the compound interest is kicking hard.
Know what I mean? Do you think it's justifiable a bit?
Second is every day I actually take off costs me a TON. My days are my productivity and income.
So if I take a trip for a full week that maybe only costs me $2,000 to take, it actually costs me like $12,000 due to lost productive days at work. So it hurts that much more.
I get it. I should vacation soon.
The third reason though is compound interest. I imagine myself at age 35, with over a million saved, earning roughly $100,000/year in pure interest. THEN I can really unwind and travel.
I'm about as happy as I possibly could be at this point in my life (serious) have beyond great weekends, just holding back the expensive bits (travel and days off work) until the compound interest is kicking hard.
Know what I mean? Do you think it's justifiable a bit?
The stock market could crash next month, dip 50% or more. Nobody knows.. at my current rate I could hit a million by ~38 (not as wealthy as you), but if the market crashes that's gone.
When you're 35, you might be looking at a million and waiting to hit two million, maybe even 5.
I could be wrong about you though - maybe you really will be able to "unwind and travel" at a particular point in time, and not worry about the opportunity cost at that time.
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04-21-2017, 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted By sebackers⏩
Thanks man I appreciate that, and it IS really a fun/good thing isn't it? Don't get me wrong, there are absolutely stressful and sh!tty "sales" jobs but when you find a good one, it's so rewarding to actually FEEL the fruits of your labor.Bro, people like you REALLY inspire me, I want to thank you. I've read a bunch of your posts and find we have a lot in common srs. I'm also in sales now and am making decent money. I'm setup to make around 75k this year without even having a degree (did one semester of community college luls). I LOVE selling and making commission, I've had one other sales job (GNC) and also made decent money off it and sales is such a beautiful thing. ANYWAYS, my question is how do you get into software sales, what I'm trying to say is what type of software sales do you start out with to start making around 100 K ( or something around there since I want to earn more than I'm making now ).
Also, are you doing B2B Phone sales, B2B canvassing , or what ? Thanks for all of your knowledgeable posts and contribution.
Also, are you doing B2B Phone sales, B2B canvassing , or what ? Thanks for all of your knowledgeable posts and contribution.
As far as how to get into software sales, I wish I had a perfect answer. That's a little hard for me to answer because I got in purely by another guys good grace and desire to help someone out (thanks forever if you read this and recognize who I am). Although, I do know that LinkedIn is awesome. Read the thread I linked on page 2 I think it was, I explain how to build a LinkedIn and network. Networking is key. Ask people. Nobody ever seems to ask people outside of this forum, serious. Go find 100 guys with software jobs on LinkedIn and just start asking for help. Ask for guidance. Apply online. Security software may be a good place to start, just don't get stuck in a loop. Perform, leverage that performance for a new job, repeat.
I hope that helps. LinkedIn LinkedIn LinkedIn. PM me with your profile I can "endorse" you for stuff if you want.
04-21-2017, 01:26 AM
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04-21-2017, 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted By Hadtodoit⏩
as great as this concept is, the question people want to know is how to even get that 50k sales job to start? because that doesn't sound like something you just fall into with no experience. So maybe if you can dial back your life example a bit more to basic levels it would be more helpful. Where were you before your 50k job?So here's what you do.
Say you make $50,000/year right now.
Try to outsell the people in your office, or your region, whatever. Just do something notable that you can put on a resume "outperformed whole office X month" or something maybe a bit more modest but still boasting on a resume. "Top performance for April, May, and August 2017".
You get the idea.
Build a LinkedIn, after you have a bit of experience and some good stuff to put on a resume, start messaging recruiters and networking, apply for a job and negotiate an income that's not $50k, but $80k/year.
Lie a little bit and say you make $65k, very unlikely they will check your W2. Or say you have competing offers for $80k, that you like them more but they need to match for you to feel comfortable and accept.
Rinse and repeat that method but not $80k, this time go for $110k.
Rinse and repeat to $135k.
Rinse and repeat to $155k.
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Profit (serious)
This is more realistic than people imagine.
Either A) along the line you'll find a great company that you actually want to grow within or
B) you'll eventually get to a great income and then you can try different companies.
You just have to make sure you're in a good vertical, as in say... software sales. Then get even more niche, say software security sales. It's not abnormal to find jobs for above $150,000/year in software sales, at all. In fact, the right company will surpass $200,000/year, some jobs even surpass $300,000/year. Just always act professional, calm, modest but ambitious in real life.
Say you make $50,000/year right now.
Try to outsell the people in your office, or your region, whatever. Just do something notable that you can put on a resume "outperformed whole office X month" or something maybe a bit more modest but still boasting on a resume. "Top performance for April, May, and August 2017".
You get the idea.
Build a LinkedIn, after you have a bit of experience and some good stuff to put on a resume, start messaging recruiters and networking, apply for a job and negotiate an income that's not $50k, but $80k/year.
Lie a little bit and say you make $65k, very unlikely they will check your W2. Or say you have competing offers for $80k, that you like them more but they need to match for you to feel comfortable and accept.
Rinse and repeat that method but not $80k, this time go for $110k.
Rinse and repeat to $135k.
Rinse and repeat to $155k.
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Profit (serious)
This is more realistic than people imagine.
Either A) along the line you'll find a great company that you actually want to grow within or
B) you'll eventually get to a great income and then you can try different companies.
You just have to make sure you're in a good vertical, as in say... software sales. Then get even more niche, say software security sales. It's not abnormal to find jobs for above $150,000/year in software sales, at all. In fact, the right company will surpass $200,000/year, some jobs even surpass $300,000/year. Just always act professional, calm, modest but ambitious in real life.
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04-21-2017, 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted By Luc1fer⏩
I really think I will. Most of my predictions of how I'll handle things have come true and I really think I'll be able to relax once I see the million.I understand you have a large opportunity cost, but your mentality is still hyper focused on money. There is more to life than money.
The stock market could crash next month, dip 50% or more. Nobody knows.. at my current rate I could hit a million by ~38 (not as wealthy as you), but if the market crashes that's gone.
When you're 35, you might be looking at a million and waiting to hit two million, maybe even 5.
I could be wrong about you though - maybe you really will be able to "unwind and travel" at a particular point in time, and not worry about the opportunity cost at that time.
The stock market could crash next month, dip 50% or more. Nobody knows.. at my current rate I could hit a million by ~38 (not as wealthy as you), but if the market crashes that's gone.
When you're 35, you might be looking at a million and waiting to hit two million, maybe even 5.
I could be wrong about you though - maybe you really will be able to "unwind and travel" at a particular point in time, and not worry about the opportunity cost at that time.
At my current rate I'm hoping to have that at 32, but honestly buying a house will take a solid chunk out of it. Kids won't be ultra expensive... I guess the down payment on a house isn't lost so maybe I'll still count it, but it will be maybe $150,000 out of investments not gaining interest, so maybe it won't be 32. Well.. with a month like this maybe it will be lol.
I have a LOT of struggling family, serious. In fact, both parents are living with their parents. In order to REALLY help them I need a big bank account, as sad as that sounds. I can do a little bit now or a lot later in a few years. Honestly, once I see $1 million, I plan on giving away $10-15,000/year to help friends and family and people in need just to start. Once I hit 1.5 and 2 I'll raise that number.
So yeah, it's not all just mindless saving. I do absolutely love my life now and enjoy it, I travel, just domestic, and I do think I'll unwind once I'm at a number where I can help others and travel.
One of my main questions right now is what do I save for my kids. I've noticed silver spoon kids sometimes don't realize what they have (not all, I know a few who are really down to earth) but I'm always tossing back and forth the idea of what should I save and give to them, or would spoiling them be bad. I don't have kids yet but I will.
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Originally Posted By Hadtodoit⏩
Will do. Was on our companies national high roller list 3 months out of the past 6 so I do have something to put on my resume. Also had an interview for hvac sales which should average about 65-80k on average. Software sales definitely is something I want to get into but it'll probably take some timeSo here's what you do.
Say you make $50,000/year right now.
Try to outsell the people in your office, or your region, whatever. Just do something notable that you can put on a resume "outperformed whole office X month" or something maybe a bit more modest but still boasting on a resume. "Top performance for April, May, and August 2017".
You get the idea.
Build a LinkedIn, after you have a bit of experience and some good stuff to put on a resume, start messaging recruiters and networking, apply for a job and negotiate an income that's not $50k, but $80k/year.
Lie a little bit and say you make $65k, very unlikely they will check your W2. Or say you have competing offers for $80k, that you like them more but they need to match for you to feel comfortable and accept.
Rinse and repeat that method but not $80k, this time go for $110k.
Rinse and repeat to $135k.
Rinse and repeat to $155k.
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Profit (serious)
This is more realistic than people imagine.
Either A) along the line you'll find a great company that you actually want to grow within or
B) you'll eventually get to a great income and then you can try different companies.
You just have to make sure you're in a good vertical, as in say... software sales. Then get even more niche, say software security sales. It's not abnormal to find jobs for above $150,000/year in software sales, at all. In fact, the right company will surpass $200,000/year, some jobs even surpass $300,000/year. Just always act professional, calm, modest but ambitious in real life.
Say you make $50,000/year right now.
Try to outsell the people in your office, or your region, whatever. Just do something notable that you can put on a resume "outperformed whole office X month" or something maybe a bit more modest but still boasting on a resume. "Top performance for April, May, and August 2017".
You get the idea.
Build a LinkedIn, after you have a bit of experience and some good stuff to put on a resume, start messaging recruiters and networking, apply for a job and negotiate an income that's not $50k, but $80k/year.
Lie a little bit and say you make $65k, very unlikely they will check your W2. Or say you have competing offers for $80k, that you like them more but they need to match for you to feel comfortable and accept.
Rinse and repeat that method but not $80k, this time go for $110k.
Rinse and repeat to $135k.
Rinse and repeat to $155k.
...
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Profit (serious)
This is more realistic than people imagine.
Either A) along the line you'll find a great company that you actually want to grow within or
B) you'll eventually get to a great income and then you can try different companies.
You just have to make sure you're in a good vertical, as in say... software sales. Then get even more niche, say software security sales. It's not abnormal to find jobs for above $150,000/year in software sales, at all. In fact, the right company will surpass $200,000/year, some jobs even surpass $300,000/year. Just always act professional, calm, modest but ambitious in real life.
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Originally Posted By Hadtodoit⏩
Thanks bro, so there's no sort of special type of software sales that I'm looking for besides security?Thanks man I appreciate that, and it IS really a fun/good thing isn't it? Don't get me wrong, there are absolutely stressful and sh!tty "sales" jobs but when you find a good one, it's so rewarding to actually FEEL the fruits of your labor.
As far as how to get into software sales, I wish I had a perfect answer. That's a little hard for me to answer because I got in purely by another guys good grace and desire to help someone out (thanks forever if you read this and recognize who I am). Although, I do know that LinkedIn is awesome. Read the thread I linked on page 2 I think it was, I explain how to build a LinkedIn and network. Networking is key. Ask people. Nobody ever seems to ask people outside of this forum, serious. Go find 100 guys with software jobs on LinkedIn and just start asking for help. Ask for guidance. Apply online. Security software may be a good place to start, just don't get stuck in a loop. Perform, leverage that performance for a new job, repeat.
I hope that helps. LinkedIn LinkedIn LinkedIn. PM me with your profile I can "endorse" you for stuff if you want.
As far as how to get into software sales, I wish I had a perfect answer. That's a little hard for me to answer because I got in purely by another guys good grace and desire to help someone out (thanks forever if you read this and recognize who I am). Although, I do know that LinkedIn is awesome. Read the thread I linked on page 2 I think it was, I explain how to build a LinkedIn and network. Networking is key. Ask people. Nobody ever seems to ask people outside of this forum, serious. Go find 100 guys with software jobs on LinkedIn and just start asking for help. Ask for guidance. Apply online. Security software may be a good place to start, just don't get stuck in a loop. Perform, leverage that performance for a new job, repeat.
I hope that helps. LinkedIn LinkedIn LinkedIn. PM me with your profile I can "endorse" you for stuff if you want.
How familiar were you with software before starting your first software sales job, and was it a lot of on the job training?
Also you never answered my question about what type of sales, B2B phone sales, B2B in person sales, etc?
Thanks again, I'll work on a linkedin
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at what sum of money/age do you intend to retire?
just curious if the "make money and then retire" is true or if once you have a taste of the high end life if you keep chasing more $$$
just curious if the "make money and then retire" is true or if once you have a taste of the high end life if you keep chasing more $$$
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04-21-2017, 01:36 AM
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Thanks for saying that man. It's actually helpful for me to hear it and read it lol. Although that being said, read my post above. I have a LOT of people around me who need help. Lots of family, if I don't keep saving and hit BIG compound interest numbers, I won't be able to do it and enjoy my life. Combine that with the fact that I'm pretty happy right now, and it makes me save.Im not sure i do tbh given how limited OPs knowledge on so many topics is.
That being said i give him the benefit of doubt because itsnot impossible.
Srsly thou
Assuming everything you say is legit op, surely you realize that ypu dont have to be so frugal anymore. You can well afford to splash out. I know you are into the save and invest everything mindset, but at this point you dont need to invest it all snymore.
That being said i give him the benefit of doubt because itsnot impossible.
Srsly thou
Assuming everything you say is legit op, surely you realize that ypu dont have to be so frugal anymore. You can well afford to splash out. I know you are into the save and invest everything mindset, but at this point you dont need to invest it all snymore.
It does take a lot of patience though. To be honest I would LOVE to buy a nice house and a Ferrari, that would be so badass. Take vacations to Mexico and Europe, cool hotels, believe me I would ****ing love to do that.. but I have to keep being patient and live like I make maybe 90k/year.
Originally Posted By jwlee7ucla⏩
Good question man, sell phones! Lol. Seriously, I said it a page back. A phone store IS entry level and you can easily clear 50k first year at a busy Verizon store if you're not out in the country.as great as this concept is, the question people want to know is how to even get that 50k sales job to start? because that doesn't sound like something you just fall into with no experience. So maybe if you can dial back your life example a bit more to basic levels it would be more helpful. Where were you before your 50k job?
I'm hesitant to say car sales because they have a stigma around them, and I also think it "trains" a persons mind wrong on what sales really are. It makes them more of a... for lack of a better term, car salesman. I've found the most successful "salespeople" don't seem sales-ey at all, but knowledgeable and trustworthy people who can help you and are fun to talk to.
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Originally Posted By Hadtodoit⏩
where do I start?Lol "snow" never at all (not sure if you were being serious with that question)
About $350/hour
25-30 hours a week I'd say. That's about normal. I work from home and travel.
Lol I'm not even sure man. To be honest, taxes don't even make me angry. I'm just happy/fortunate to be where I am right now. It is what it is.
Yeah, I'd say I closed total contract value somewhere between $4-5 million this month and probably a bit over 10 million for the year.
I'm trying to help a few people get into my industry but it's not at all as "unachievable" as it sounds. Don't get me wrong, this month and January are very abnormal, especially this month, i'll be lucky if it happens again in the next 5 years but $20k months are very normal and some are $30-40, some are less than 20 and that's achievable.
Software sales. I always tell people get into software. Just keep working your way up the chain from bigger sales jobs to bigger sales jobs. As counter intuitive as it sounds, you don't have to work longer and more hours to work up the chain. Maybe just in the first 5 years of your career or so.
About $350/hour
25-30 hours a week I'd say. That's about normal. I work from home and travel.
Lol I'm not even sure man. To be honest, taxes don't even make me angry. I'm just happy/fortunate to be where I am right now. It is what it is.
Yeah, I'd say I closed total contract value somewhere between $4-5 million this month and probably a bit over 10 million for the year.
I'm trying to help a few people get into my industry but it's not at all as "unachievable" as it sounds. Don't get me wrong, this month and January are very abnormal, especially this month, i'll be lucky if it happens again in the next 5 years but $20k months are very normal and some are $30-40, some are less than 20 and that's achievable.
Software sales. I always tell people get into software. Just keep working your way up the chain from bigger sales jobs to bigger sales jobs. As counter intuitive as it sounds, you don't have to work longer and more hours to work up the chain. Maybe just in the first 5 years of your career or so.
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