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Thread: Could you beat the WBC flyweight champion in a fight to the death?

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Maybe. Honestly there's no real way to know unless you try.

I get the huge increase in competence in being a trained fighter, but he's just SO small. If he was a 160 lb trained fighter, I'd say he could destroy pretty much anyone (even if they were 250 lbs) with little or no training. But at 112 lbs, you have to think, how much power can this guy really have and would you be able as a decently strong 200 lb or so dude to tackle him, negate his huge advantage in boxing, and put him away?
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only on the misc could a bunch of people who've only wrassled with their brother at their mee maws house or been in a drunken bar brawl beat A world class proffessional boxer. for some "smart" people you guys are pretty fcking stupid lmao
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Strong lack of striking knowledge in this thread. No one seems to realize that at 112 lbs buddy is going to be stupidly fast, like blink and you'll miss him fast. Also he doesn't have to have KO power punches, the weight of your body coming forward at him when he hits you is going to multiply the power of that punch. He could dance around you all day and without considerable martial arts/grappling training you wouldn't even by able to lay a finger on him
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I'm not saying I could but what would he do if I pulled guard on him srs? Pull full guard, break posture and try to finish with a triangle or armbar.. or even half guard, get underhook and sweep, get side control and finish from there. He can't generate punching power because his legs are on the ground and his hips can't move.. Obviously the hard part is pulling guard but I can just butt scoop like a ******* lmao
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Its fight to the death, not a boxing match
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if he knocked me out he better run

he could be seriously injured by my fall
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His overhand right is nasty as fukc. You get caught with that, nite nite...
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Would ohp him for a few reps to give myself a nice pump for the fight vid, then probably impale him on the nearest sharp object
Hm.

If you're reading this, you're probably a *******

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Originally Posted By Azn00Superman⏩
Lol the people who're so sure about beating this guy has certainly never been in a fight. Unless you're trained or fight on a regular basis, you'll get ****ed up by a trained fighter, srs. I don't care if you can hit the bag like Mike Tyson, but in a 1 on 1 fight most inexperienced people will flinch or freeze up when hit. This is where you will get lit the fuk up by a trained fighter. Your nose can only take so many punches before it breaks, even from a flyweight. Delusional *******s ITT
This guy gets it, I equate the bodies reaction to being hit almost to being stung by a bee.

If the 2nd punch doesn't KO you by the 3rd most anybody in the world would be out like a light.

Takes surprisingly little power to get KO'd if you get hit right on the button and your body isn't expecting it (like cause you're getting hit and kind of having a disconnect between your body and your brain).
The billionaire and the beggar both have 24 hours in a day.

That's why grandma's apple pie rocks and yours sucks.
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At least it will thunderstorm tonight, and we know how they feel about water. :)
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Does he know how to play half guard?

Exactly.

I'm gonna win by an advantage, maybe even 2 points if I'm lucky.




(Am I allowed to wear my gi?)
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Lmfao. Dude, did you see how half of those dudes drop.....**** looks fake as f!ck, looks like paid of fighters dropping at a punch to make a star to get some viewership to get some money in some fukwhoole in Asia.!
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Originally Posted By EnglandPrevails⏩
Maybe. Honestly there's no real way to know unless you try.

I get the huge increase in competence in being a trained fighter, but he's just SO small. If he was a 160 lb trained fighter, I'd say he could destroy pretty much anyone (even if they were 250 lbs) with little or no training. But at 112 lbs, you have to think, how much power can this guy really have and would you be able as a decently strong 200 lb or so dude to tackle him, negate his huge advantage in boxing, and put him away?
Is he gonna absolutely crumple you if he hits you like say a George Foreman?

No, of course not.

But I guarantee a properly placed body punch from him is gonna still break a rib, or rupture something.

As for tackling him IDK but he's basically a master at keeping distance, plus faster and quicker than you, he'd have to stumble or trip on something for you to have a chance .
The billionaire and the beggar both have 24 hours in a day.

That's why grandma's apple pie rocks and yours sucks.
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At least it will thunderstorm tonight, and we know how they feel about water. :)
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Originally Posted By EnglandPrevails⏩
Maybe. Honestly there's no real way to know unless you try
I get the huge increase in competence in being a trained fighter, but he's just SO small. If he was a 160 lb trained fighter, I'd say he could destroy pretty much anyone (even if they were 250 lbs) with little or no training. But at 112 lbs, you have to think, how much power can this guy really have and would you be able as a decently strong 200 lb or so dude to tackle him, negate his huge advantage in boxing, and put him away?
I think a lot of it just depends if you could 'tackle' him without getting worked over by those hands. Which I doubt. I've seen some really small guys completely light up people much bigger. He may only weigh 112lbs but I wouldn't want him hitting me in the face. He would probably land multiple shots before you even could grab him. If you even could.




When I did Judo, even at a low level, I was able to easily handle guys that had 75-125lbs on me when I had the skill/experience advantage. So yeah, I weighed in at 165lbs and could control guys two belts below me that weighed 255-270lbs. Granted I was fairly strong at the time but it was primarily based on technique. On the flip side I knew a couple of guys that weighed 135lbs and 145lbs and they completely worked me over 9 times out of 10.


Obviously at a high level weight matters so much which is why we have weight classes. But at a low level skill can over-ride weight/strength/size. I don't even want to imagine a world class skill/conditioned fighter against someone with little to no training/conditioning.
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Originally Posted By SwimToTheMoon⏩
I'm not saying I could but what would he do if I pulled guard on him srs? Pull full guard, break posture and try to finish with a triangle or armbar.. or even half guard, get underhook and sweep, get side control and finish from there. He can't generate punching power because his legs are on the ground and his hips can't move.. Obviously the hard part is pulling guard but I can just butt scoop like a ******* lmao
Bro you used srs so I'm gonna reply.
If you train bjj and you don't train this type of stuff then you're only doing sports bjj. Me and my mates go out in the park and they put on boxing gloves or mma sparring gloves and I put on a gumshield. They are allowed to punch and kick and I'm only allowed to grapple.
We do this in my club as well.
If you train bjj you should know about take downs and fighting with strikes.
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Originally Posted By EnglandPrevails⏩
Maybe. Honestly there's no real way to know unless you try.

I get the huge increase in competence in being a trained fighter, but he's just SO small. If he was a 160 lb trained fighter, I'd say he could destroy pretty much anyone (even if they were 250 lbs) with little or no training. But at 112 lbs, you have to think, how much power can this guy really have and would you be able as a decently strong 200 lb or so dude to tackle him, negate his huge advantage in boxing, and put him away?
Bro this isn't theoretical physics. There are people that do this for fun. Lifting is all good, but go and train bjj mma boxing judo m.thai etc you'll fukin love it man.
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Originally Posted By Kev1972⏩
If he could they wouldn't need weight classes.
Dude they need weight classes because bigger dudes can hurt smaller guys more easily.

The fact of the matter is there are certain points on your body that are vulnerable to being hit, with even relatively little force.

Your jaw, your neck, your ribs (especially between the ribs), your solarplexus, your liver, etc.

Your soft spots are just as soft as any other adults, it's not like cause you're twice my size your jaw is twice as strong.

You get what I'm saying?
The billionaire and the beggar both have 24 hours in a day.

That's why grandma's apple pie rocks and yours sucks.
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
At least it will thunderstorm tonight, and we know how they feel about water. :)
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yes but not only that, with roids and one year of training i would beat mcgregor and mayweather as well

i definitely respect smaller guys fighting and brawling it out but dont get crazy, i watched some videos to make an educated post

its also easy to make fast looking punches in videos like the manny one where the trainer is moving his pads out further than the boxer is extending his arms and hes only punching at most 15 inches

i would KO that guy with body kicks right now without upping my training

also i am not a moron and have competed against smaller guys before, a small guy can be deceptively strong if they work out a lot but, yeah, nah. anyone with the same size advantage over me, who is less skilled than me, would most likely beat me too. but at a certain point you hit enough size to do enough damage to hurt anyone... i dont think this guy or the 2 guys i mentioned have it.
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Originally Posted By bjjruinedmylife⏩
Bro you used srs so I'm gonna reply.
If you train bjj and you don't train this type of stuff then you're only doing sports bjj. Me and my mates go out in the park and they put on boxing gloves or mma sparring gloves and I put on a gumshield. They are allowed to punch and kick and I'm only allowed to grapple.
We do this in my club as well.
If you train bjj you should know about take downs and fighting with strikes.
The reason I specifically said to pull guard is because even if I did train to fight with strikes I'm not going to be anywhere near the skill level of that dude, going for a takedown is also tricky because you can still be knocked out, you think a pro boxer doesn't have the footwork and reaction time to move out of a double leg attempt and uppercut the fuk out of you? Pulling guard reduces the risk of all that by a lot in my opinion, he can still punch you in your guard but it wont knock you out, it's even better for you because he doesn't have his hands for balance and you can sweep/break postures with more ease...
Obviously I'm just typing this chit out for sake of conversation, irl this would most likely go very differently haha
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Originally Posted By PKneyr⏩
Serious question, does a 110 lb puncher even hurt a 6'2 215 decently strong dude?
How well you can take a punch is largely based on your genes and if you're used to being able to take a hit. It has little to do with your strength.

That said, a larger man can generally take a punch better simply because the larger mass will come with stronger bones and prevent him from being easily knocked around by a smaller man. But added size really only does so much. Human durability is still only human durability regardless of size. The same things will hurt you.

Basically, if the the tiny guy in question is a world class boxer who actually punches hard enough to knock out other professional fighters, then yes, he punches more than hard enough to KO a big random guy. Does that mean he can really hurt a heavyweight professional boxer though? No, because that heavyweight professional (depending on his ranking) would never have gotten to where he is unless he could take punches from other heavyweights, let alone a guy 100 lbs lighter than him.

The reason why the KO rate at heavyweight is so much higher than at the lighter weights is because while power goes up, durability only goes up by a very small amount.
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Originally Posted By SwimToTheMoon⏩
The reason I specifically said to pull guard is because even if I did train to fight with strikes I'm not going to be anywhere near the skill level of that dude, going for a takedown is also tricky because you can still be knocked out, you think a pro boxer doesn't have the footwork and reaction time to move out of a double leg attempt and uppercut the fuk out of you? Pulling guard reduces the risk of all that by a lot in my opinion, he can still punch you in your guard but it wont knock you out, it's even better for you because he doesn't have his hands for balance and you can sweep/break postures with more ease...
Obviously I'm just typing this chit out for sake of conversation, irl this would most likely go very differently haha
Yeah cool but how are you gonna pull guard without closing the distance?
I'm not saying stand and trade with him, or go for a hail Mary double leg. If you watch boxing the clinch is used a lot. It's part of boxing.
Of course you're right his boxing is amazing obviously. I'm not saying box with him. But if you train bjj you should know for a fact what would happen if it went down. This was settled in UFC 1.
However even though Royce didn't box the boxer, he trained with strikes so he was not a complete fish out of water standing up.
A lot of people do actually get ko from inside their guard. But as you said controlling his posture etc is key. Just don't try and deep half stuff lol. (Shogun actually was successful with deep half in pride fc)
A good way to close the distance is called "the fence". Search YouTube for it. But srsly train this type of stuff too man bjj isn't just sports bjj
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Easily.

Fight to the death? These guys have trained within boundaries their entire life. Let's see him react to me gouging his eyes out of biting the **** out of him.
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Originally Posted By Keepo⏩
This

Gloves exist to make the sport safer i.e. slower and less damaging punches
LOL... not exactly. The gloves exist to keep cuts to a minimum. They also have their wrists wrapped very tight under those gloves, preventing hand and wrists breaks. He would hit with less force without the gloves and wrist wraps.

While the boxer almost certainly lands a few good shots, he's 112 lbs. Do people really not know the lack of strength on a man that size? He doesnt have knockout power. Floyd is in the 140-150 range doesnt have knockout power. If someone had reasonable grappling ability they would get to his body and it would be over. 112 lbs is a tiny, tiny man. People untrained in a grappling art are just as helpless as anyone else once it hits the ground. the fastest hands in the world dont save him then.

Bottom line, IMO if he doesnt knock you out on the way in,(and you have some grappling skill) you could make it a fight.
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yep. and i would even spot his a couple shots to my face

would eat his punches for dinner and ask for dessert
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Think about this it takes something like 10-12 Lbs pressure if you're not expecting it and get hit just right on the jaw to KO you.

10-12 pounds of pressure, say even if your jaw could take twice as much (which is highly unlikely save for maybe a few outliers in the world), it's 24 whopping pounds of pressure.

Bone strength really has nothing to do with any of this either, it's more how pressure points react, you get hit just right in certain spots and that impact is harmful.

LOL look at the agony on his face



Look at this one, solarplexus shot here:

The billionaire and the beggar both have 24 hours in a day.

That's why grandma's apple pie rocks and yours sucks.
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At least it will thunderstorm tonight, and we know how they feel about water. :)
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Originally Posted By trapsalot⏩
LOL... not exactly. The gloves exist to keep cuts to a minimum. They also have their wrists wrapped very tight under those gloves, preventing hand and wrists breaks. He would hit with less force without the gloves and wrist wraps.

While the boxer almost certainly lands a few good shots, he's 112 lbs. Do people really not know the lack of strength on a man that size? He doesnt have knockout power. Floyd is in the 140-150 range doesnt have knockout power. If someone had reasonable grappling ability they would get to his body and it would be over. 112 lbs is a tiny, tiny man. People untrained in a grappling art are just as helpless as anyone else once it hits the ground. the fastest hands in the world dont save him then.

Bottom line, IMO if he doesnt knock you out on the way in,(and you have some grappling skill) you could make it a fight.
Floyd's lack of power has nothing to do with his size. He's just not a hard puncher. Pacquiao started his career as a flyweight. Tell me that he doesn't have KO power. And there have been many welterweight (147) boxers with tremendous power. And while there is some correlation between strength and punching power, the two are not necessarily related. Thomas Hearns was basically in Auschwitz mode as a welterweight but he could hit like a truck despite the lack of physical strength.

And LOL at talking about "training in grappling." I seriously doubt that anyone here has anything above a blue belt in BJJ, except for maybe the guy who named himself after it. And I also seriously doubt that anyone here was even a decent high school wrestler, let alone at the collegiate level. Having taken some grappling classes and actually being any good at it are two completely different things.

My best friend is a black belt in BJJ. Can he beat this guy despite comparatively crap striking skills? Sure, since he's an excellent (although not world class) grappler. It's doubtful that anyone here is even a mediocre grappler.

Furthermore, this same friend who is now a black belt, we did a little bit of a grappling sparring when he was still a blue belt (we used to spar a lot since we both used to train under the same boxing trainer). Even though I have zero grappling training, he still had a bitch of a time taking me down despite having 10 lbs on me. The guy was obviously talented at grappling or else he wouldn't have made it all the way to black belt, but when you're only at around blue belt level in grappling, you simply aren't that good at it yet. It isn't that easy taking someone down who doesn't want to be taken down. The guy who does the takedowns needs a much higher skills level, which is why you sometimes see strikers in MMA being able to stop takedowns from elite wrestlers.
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Originally Posted By MediocreGains⏩
Floyd's lack of power has nothing to do with his size. He's just not a hard puncher. Pacquiao started his career as a flyweight. Tell me that he doesn't have KO power. And there have been many welterweight (147) boxers with tremendous power. And while there is some correlation between strength and punching power, the two are not necessarily related. Thomas Hearns was basically in Auschwitz mode as a welterweight but he could hit like a truck despite the lack of physical strength.
Bro Mayweather has KO power it's just not smart for him to sell out on his punches cause his hands are brittle, he could easily break them and he'd lose.

Remember too he "doesn't have KO power" among world class fighters who are tougher/more heart than 99.99% of the world, and dedicate time training to how to get hit without being KO'd to the best of their abilities.

That is in no way indicative of what he'd do to the toughest guy you know, let alone a miscer.
The billionaire and the beggar both have 24 hours in a day.

That's why grandma's apple pie rocks and yours sucks.
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At least it will thunderstorm tonight, and we know how they feel about water. :)
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Originally Posted By MBisonSon⏩
Think about this it takes something like 10-12 Lbs pressure if you're not expecting it and get hit just right on the jaw to KO you.

10-12 pounds of pressure, say even if your jaw could take twice as much (which is highly unlikely save for maybe a few outliers in the world), it's 24 whopping pounds of pressure.

Bone strength really has nothing to do with any of this either, it's more how pressure points react, you get hit just right in certain spots and that impact is harmful.

LOL look at the agony on his face



Look at this one, solarplexus shot here:

Average miscer is 6'2" 220lbs shredded, what damage would this do against their rock hard abs?
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Originally Posted By MBisonSon⏩
Bro Mayweather has KO power it's just not smart for him to sell out on his punches cause his hands are brittle, he could easily break them and he'd lose.

Remember too he "doesn't have KO power" among world class fighters who are tougher/more heart than 99.99% of the world, and dedicate time training to how to get hit without being KO'd to the best of their abilities.

That is in no way indicative of what he'd do to the toughest guy you know, let alone a miscer.
Yeah, I meant compared to other professional fighters in his weight class.

He had some pretty decent pop though when he was starting out at 130 lbs (when he was young and before the hand problems), but even then it paled in comparison to the real heavy hitters like Diego Corrales (who also got his ass whopped by Floyd).
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Mind blowns me how he's 112 lbs.

But in a stand up. He light up anyone here.

Lol @someone saying he or mayweather dont have knockout power. If these guys land a clean shot on anyone here, good fcking night.
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