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Originally Posted By SwimToTheMoon⏩
Bullshiet brah Dimebag is one of the best examples of being over glorified because of his death.. I didn't know him until a few years later when I started playing (like 2007) but I've heard and read a chitload of people saying the same thing, after he died his popularity exploded..
I guarantee you that had Kirk Hammet died it would have been the same thing but he's known as the wah wah pentatonic abuser now lol..Still think Hammett is a way better guitarist and songwriter than Dimebag.. All Dimebag wrote was a few good riffs and the Cemetery Gates solo which is amazing..
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lil wayne>jimi gaydrix
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Originally Posted By FannySkelper⏩
Bro Metallica has like 10x the timeless and legendary songs that Pantera has, no band of that era can touch them..
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I agree. He isn't the GOAT. Not even remotely. The GOAT guitarists are people like Michael Angelo Batio, Yngwie Malmsteen, Joe Satriani, Buckethead. If you take any guitarist from a serious melodic death metal band, such as COB, Kalmah, Amon Amarth, they can play very VERY well on a good day, and definitely demonstrate more technical skill than Hendrix did, but the style was totally different back then. Hendrix was a pioneer.

In my opinion, the most talented guitarist musically but not technically of all time was Jon Nödtveidt from Dissection. It's a shame the dude was a total psychopath who murdered some innocent dude just cause he was gay, and literally sacrificed himself to satan via gunshot wound to the head.

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Dude had the most incredible riffs of all time. COB steals half their riffs from this album lmao.

Actually, if you really want to look at pioneers in guitar, in my opinion, you have to include Chuck Berry. He was WAAAAAAY ahead of his time. You can make a strong case that he, Elvis, and a couple of other artists practically invented rock and roll.
Storm of Light's Bane is one of my favorite albums, but I can't really justify saying Jon Nodveidt is better than Jimi Hendrix. Like you said, Hendrix was a pioneer. He had a totally different and unique approach to the guitar relative to the others from his era, which really matters. And I think that approach to the guitar is much more difficult to replicate than someone like Yngwie, which just starts to sound like harmonic minor runs and diminished arpeggios after a while.

Personally, I think it matters more if you can write something original and relatively simple rather than play something technical but unoriginal or boring.

For the record, as far as black metal musicians go, Jon Nodveidt is one of my favorites.
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Originally Posted By FannySkelper⏩
Oh I know all about the Pentatonic/blues scale garbage he played. I do play guitar and I'll take Andy Timmons, Michael Lee Firkins, Nick Johnson, SRV, Eric Johnson etc over him ( I literally could go on for days with more creative players)

Creatively he did nothing new, look at it musically, not what his engineer Eddie Kramer was doing. brb some I IV V progressions omg really pushing that blues form FUKKIN LOL. Pseudo musician fanboys like yourself :"omg but what about when he was adding the major 6th to his soloing omg he invented dorian!"


get on my level
there is much more to music than music theory, technical ability, and new chord progressions. but yeah, his engineer is the most underrated person in this conversation.
Originally Posted By deadhead6391⏩
Jason becker is god.

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This. Concerto is one of my favorite tracks of all time.
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Originally Posted By de_barathrum⏩
there is much more to music than music theory, technical ability, and new chord progressions. but yeah, his engineer is the most underrated person in this conversation.



This. Concerto is one of my favorite tracks of all time.
The next song i plan on learning. Its gonna he a pain in the ass but its been a goal since i was 16
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Originally Posted By deadhead6391⏩
The next song i plan on learning. Its gonna he a pain in the ass but its been a goal since i was 16
lol, when I was in high school I used to rip off the more melodic parts of that song (very poorly) and put them into my own. i remember being completely blown away that someone could play that, let alone have the creative capacity to write it.

I legitimately think this is probably one of the best examples of melodic and technical ability that exists in 4 and a half minutes.
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Originally Posted By Omnivium⏩
fame =/= skill
this is one of the dumbest statements people always say

How else are we supposed to definite musical talent then? By your opinion? lol
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You gotta feel Jimi man just ask Wesley snipes
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Originally Posted By thehypocrit⏩
this is one of the dumbest statements people always say

How else are we supposed to definite musical talent then? By your opinion? lol
No its a perfectly legitimate argument. Skill is measurable. For instance buckethead is a monster guitar player and he would litterally play circles around hendrix with more feel and more finesse. He is all around a superior player. Hes nowhere near as famous because hes a weird dude and has possibly the worst marketing ploy ever, plus he writes some really out there stuff. Mainstream appeal and marketing = fame. Skill = technique and the ability to execute your ideas.
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Originally Posted By svtballa⏩
No Randy Rhoads??? Dude was a magician and died at 25.....What could have been.. Nuno Bettancourt was amazing too
this

Also anyone hear Buckethead has serious health issues?
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Originally Posted By darkninja67⏩
this

Also anyone hear Buckethead has serious health issues?
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=174870781
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Originally Posted By thehypocrit⏩
this is one of the dumbest statements people always say

How else are we supposed to definite musical talent then? By your opinion? lol
You calling that one of the dumbest statements is actually one of the dumbest statements lmao
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Originally Posted By SwimToTheMoon⏩
You calling that one of the dumbest statements is actually one of the dumbest statements lmao
this LOL
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Originally Posted By deadhead6391⏩
No its a perfectly legitimate argument. Skill is measurable. For instance buckethead is a monster guitar player and he would litterally play circles around hendrix with more feel and more finesse. He is all around a superior player. Hes nowhere near as famous because hes a weird dude and has possibly the worst marketing ploy ever, plus he writes some really out there stuff. Mainstream appeal and marketing = fame. Skill = technique and the ability to execute your ideas.
That's your opinion

If more people love hendrix then he is a better by default

You can't just say someone's better because you like him more

Music is subjective

these threads are always chock full of music elitists thinking they are better because they think some unknown musician is better compared to the popular artist

**** is cringe
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Originally Posted By darkninja67⏩
this

Also anyone hear Buckethead has serious health issues?
Yes, very sad.

Anyone listen to his Pikes? (EPs he releases weekly)



always enjoyed this jam, its rhythm only but it shows what he can do with a good groove and develop it (this is literally one of thousands of tracks he's done)
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Making great songs isn't about being 'the most technical', Hendrix was a total package, flamboyant, cool & didn't give a ****.

There are countless great musicians that can play the **** out of multiple instruments & understand music theory to an extremely high level; could they rival Hendrix on stage- **** no....

For the matter, pretty shocked Steve Vai & Joe Satriani haven't been mentioned....





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Originally Posted By SwimToTheMoon⏩
Bullshiet brah Dimebag is one of the best examples of being over glorified because of his death.. I didn't know him until a few years later when I started playing (like 2007) but I've heard and read a chitload of people saying the same thing, after he died his popularity exploded..
Nope. I was in the metal scene when Dimebag was alive, he definitely had all of his stature at that point. (And that was why his death was so stunning - he was a walking icon. Every metal fan at the time knows where they were when they heard).

He didn't go out on a high either - Damageplan weren't up to par, but the reputation of Pantera - and its influence on the new wave of metal, and all the local metal guitarists trying to play like him - was all already there. All of Dimebags reputation had already been solidified in the previous decade, it preceded him.

His biggest popularity was in the 90s and his legacy to the next generation of metal was firmly established in the early 2000s. There was no majorly different "up" for his reputation to go to.
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Originally Posted By thehypocrit⏩
That's your opinion

If more people love hendrix then he is a better by default

You can't just say someone's better because you like him more

Music is subjective

these threads are always chock full of music elitists thinking they are better because they think some unknown musician is better compared to the popular artist

**** is cringe
will neg off r/c for being a total fukking idiot. Buckethead is better because he is a better guitar player period.

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here is my real feelings on this subject as an ignorant person who very much enjoys listening to Jimi Hendrix, and hates listening to all the bands with guitar players you guys are nut hugging. (Except Santana but the guy who said he's better then hendrix is clearly fukking high)


You are all nerds and your music isn't enjoyable. I don't like listening to you guys circle jerk each other and want to go fuk your women who are also not listening to you.
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
here is my real feelings on this subject as an ignorant person who very much enjoys listening to Jimi Hendrix, and hates listening to all the bands with guitar players you guys are nut hugging. (Except Santana but the guy who said he's better then hendrix is clearly fukking high)


You are all nerds and your music isn't enjoyable. I don't like listening to you guys circle jerk each other and want to go fuk your women who are also not listening to you.
If you had listened to the guitar players I mentioned like Andy Timmons, Eric Johnson, Michael Lee Firkins etc you wouldn't be saying this
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Few moviemakers have technical ability/skills that are objectively measurable that even begin to approach Michael Bay, but it's very easy and sensible to argue that there are countless better moviemakers than him.

There are certainly objective qualities and areas of craftmanship in art, and they enable wider ability to say what the artist wants to say, but they do not actually equal that artistic function. The tool for the project is not necessarily the goal of the project. I mean what's Tom Waits the best at? Nothing that could be measured on a drumometer, but he has better albums than almost everyone else.
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
here is my real feelings on this subject as an ignorant person who very much enjoys listening to Jimi Hendrix, and hates listening to all the bands with guitar players you guys are nut hugging. (Except Santana but the guy who said he's better then hendrix is clearly fukking high)


You are all nerds and your music isn't enjoyable. I don't like listening to you guys circle jerk each other and want to go fuk your women who are also not listening to you.
If you spent half your life studying a craft and someone tried telling you the pinnacle of it was mediocrity you would argue it. Its like someone here saying brad pitt in fight club had a better physique than prime arnold because more women wanted to fukk him. Complete ignorance and flawed logic.

If someone wanted to argue Hendrix was one of the best rock stars of all time im with them, but hes not one of the best guitar players.
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Originally Posted By deadhead6391⏩
If you spent half your life studying a craft and someone tried telling you the pinnacle of it was mediocrity you would argue it. Its like someone here saying brad pitt in fight club had a better physique than prime arnold because more women wanted to fukk him. Complete ignorance and flawed logic.
That's not ignorance. They're just not talking about the same thing you're talking about. You're making a category error.

By bodybuilding standards, Arnold had the best physique of the time. By a different set of standards (some easy to quantify objectively - like capacity for marathons, some not, like capacity for evoking arousal/attraction among a broader variety of people), he did not necessarily. "Best physique" is not a phrase that only entails your preferred definition, as there are different ways in which a person can have one.

It needs to be qualified with "in what way?" and if you insist on defining it one way while conversing with somebody who is talking about it in a different way, and you conflate the two, you're making a category error and you're also denying yourself the ability to realise what the other person is actually saying.
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Originally Posted By Duckenheimer⏩
That's not ignorance. They're just not talking about the same thing you're talking about. You're making a category error.

By bodybuilding standards, Arnold had the best physique of the time. By a different set of standards (some easy to quantify objectively - like capacity for marathons, some not, like capacity for evoking arousal/attraction among a broader variety of people), he did not necessarily. "Best physique" is not a phrase that only entails your preferred definition, as there are different ways in which a person can have one.

It needs to be qualified with "in what way?" and if you insist on defining it one way while conversing with somebody who is talking about it in a different way, and you conflate the two, you're making a category error and you're also denying yourself the ability to realise what the other person is actually saying.
Very good point. But thats also why i picked buckethead. All around he is a great songwriter, has insane technique, and really has sonething for everybody. Hes written over 300 albums. But

i do definitely understand what you meant. It kind of goes along with the whole fame and skill argument. Thats also why i added in the whole rockstar vs guitar player bit.
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Dimebag Darell > All
Really glad to see you didn't say yourself.....
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[QUOTE=LargePeter post_id=1522673221]Joe Haley from Psycroptic called in to say fuk off kunt

[youtube]Bj8Sh7IY230[utube][/QUOTE]Joe haley grooves like a motherfukker. Same with the guys from Gorod.
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Originally Posted By FannySkelper⏩
Oh I know all about the Pentatonic/blues scale garbage he played. I do play guitar and I'll take Andy Timmons, Michael Lee Firkins, Nick Johnson, SRV, Eric Johnson etc over him ( I literally could go on for days with more creative players)

Creatively he did nothing new, look at it musically, not what his engineer Eddie Kramer was doing. brb some I IV V progressions omg really pushing that blues form FUKKIN LOL. Pseudo musician fanboys like yourself :"omg but what about when he was adding the major 6th to his soloing omg he invented dorian!"


get on my level
bet you sell out stadiums with all dat skill.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I agree. He isn't the GOAT. Not even remotely. The GOAT guitarists are people like Michael Angelo Batio, Yngwie Malmsteen, Joe Satriani, Buckethead. If you take any guitarist from a serious melodic death metal band, such as COB, Kalmah, Amon Amarth, they can play very VERY well on a good day, and definitely demonstrate more technical skill than Hendrix did, but the style was totally different back then. Hendrix was a pioneer.

In my opinion, the most talented guitarist musically but not technically of all time was Jon Nödtveidt from Dissection. It's a shame the dude was a total psychopath who murdered some innocent dude just cause he was gay, and literally sacrificed himself to satan via gunshot wound to the head.



Dude had the most incredible riffs of all time. COB steals half their riffs from this album lmao.

Actually, if you really want to look at pioneers in guitar, in my opinion, you have to include Chuck Berry. He was WAAAAAAY ahead of his time. You can make a strong case that he, Elvis, and a couple of other artists practically invented rock and roll.
Those are not the best guitarists... they can play the guitar like robots but 99% of people have no idea of one ****ing song they play because they can't write good songs. That does matter when it comes to playing guitar. It's not about how fast and precise you can play
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you have to seperate from guitarists who were more just free thinking partiers that played whatever whenever versus guitarists that were more sequential step by step etc.

Partiers
-Eddie Van Halen
-Dimebag Darrell
-Jimi Hendrix (to the extreme)

none of the above guitarists cared about practicing, staying 'clean", etc. they just playe whatever. and sometimes it was sloppy, and incomplete, and repetitive. but when it was good, it was PHUKKING GOOD.

And then you have people like
-Eric Johnson
-80's shred guitarists
-john petrucci

Who were more methodical players that seriously worked on their songs, practice routines/etc, and sounded far more polished than the above players, however, if you compare the best moments from each group, I would say the partiers win.
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