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post 1549494201 04-19-2018, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
Same man. 5-6 is my norm. I would love to feel 7-8 consistently.



I do this:
8oz Orange Juice
50g Dextrose
3 Thermotabs (just salt supp)
Just a Dextrose powder?
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Originally Posted By TXBuddy⏩
Just a Dextrose powder?
Yeah I use NOW Foods brand. It was like $12 for a huge bottle.
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I’ve heard of this and want to try it.

However I primarily eat fish and chicken just cause it’s cheap and my asian parents believe it’s better for you than eating red meat lmao

This diet is focused on steaks bison etc which I only eat once in a while. Will definitely try this when I can though because to me the nonbloat benefits is very intriguing along with the claims of enhanced performance

I was on a surplus of +300 on a fairly reasonable diet and I think just due to all the food volume I was bloating up like a
mothercucker

IIRC all that salt will improve CNS performance thus allowing you to lift weights more efficiently, right? I don’t think I get enough potassium in my diet which is an issue. I also drink 1.5 gallons of water. Would the increased salt bloat me up? I was on 3.5g a day on average before I believe

Also white rice masterrace crew
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literally just wrote this in the PLing section and will c/p it here:

so have any of you guys jumped on the Vertical diet train that everyone seems to be on these days? I know Sullivan has been doing it, with the other obvious people like Hathfor and Shaw.

I've listened to every podcast Stan has done and taken notes on all of it, but I'm definitely curious what's in his new ebook that he released. No fuking way am I paying $100 for a nutrition ebook though (if anyone has it and wants to shoot it my way, will rep )

Funny how the pendulum in nutrition swings. For a long time it was bro diets, at least in bodybuilding, where it was clean foods high frequency. Then IIFYM + a multivitamin + meal frequency doesn't matter became all the rage for years with the IIFYM crowd looking down on the clean eating crowd. Now the pendulum is swinging back to a "bro diet" of the vertical diet. At first it was all about tons and tons of steak/bison and rice. Then he slowly added in all these other elements like cranberry juice oranges, etc for micronutrient fulfillment. Wonder if the slow reveal of information and build up was all just a marketing ploy to get people to buy the ebook when he released it though lol.




power project this week with Stan talking in-depth about it:

Awesome pics. Great size. Look thick. Solid. Tight. Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress pics or vid clips. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin' huge, solid, thick and tight you can get. Thanks for the motivation.
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I just realised i do the complete opposite of this on cuts. All carb sources become complex, stupid amount of vegetables and no liquid meals.

also why baby carrots? theyre like the most poverty vegetable with almost all vitamin A and hardly anything else, why not just eat more white rice if its about digestibility?


http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/...roducts/3026/2
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
If you are a heart patient or a blood pressure patient it will; low salt is the foundation of all heart smart diets.
Heart smart diet? Gtfo, they're all low fat, high carb, aren't they? Gee, I wonder what actual studies show about heart health and low fat, high carb diets?
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I've started incorporating elements of the diet, but haven't gone full in. Stan claims that dietary cholesterol contributing to heart disease is a myth, and cites the PURE study done recently (haven't read it personally) saying dietary cholesteral had little correlation with heart disease and all-cause mortality, and could actually have protective benefits.

I have high cholesterol and it runs on my dad's side of the family, with his brother dying of a heart attack and my dad had a heart attack 2 years ago as well (brother was obese, but dad isn't). My PCP and his cardiologist or whatever after he had his attack said to avoid red meat and lots of dietary cholesterol because it basically clogs your arteries. Are they simply behind the times on the research and have an outmoded understanding of the relationship?

Intuitively my brain says listen to the actual doctors about this stuff (my PCP and the my dad's docs), but then again doctors seemingly don't know chit about nutrition. Stan apparently cites a bunch of studies in the actual e-book u can buy which I'd be interested in checking out, but find it hard to justify spending $100 on an ebook (poor **** here).
Awesome pics. Great size. Look thick. Solid. Tight. Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress pics or vid clips. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin' huge, solid, thick and tight you can get. Thanks for the motivation.
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Originally Posted By adamsz⏩
I've started incorporating elements of the diet, but haven't gone full in. Stan claims that dietary cholesterol contributing to heart disease is a myth, and cites the PURE study done recently (haven't read it personally) saying dietary cholesteral had little correlation with heart disease and all-cause mortality, and could actually have protective benefits. I have high cholesterol and it runs on my dad's side of the family, with his brother dying of a heart attack and my dad had a heart attack 2 years ago as well (brother was obese, but dad isn't). My PCP and his cardiologist or whatever after he had his attack said to avoid red meat and lots of dietary cholesterol because it basically clogs your arteries. Are they simply behind the times on the research and have an outmoded understanding of the relationship? Intuitively my brain says listen to the actual doctors about this stuff (my PCP and the my dad's docs), but then again doctors seemingly don't know chit about nutrition. Stan apparently cites a bunch of studies in the actual e-book u can buy which I'd be interested in checking out, but find it hard to justify spending $100 on an ebook (poor **** here).
there are sectors of the population where dietary cholesterol negatively affects serum cholesterol, so in this case i'd take the advice of a cardiologist
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Originally Posted By MichaelDuong⏩
I’ve heard of this and want to try it.

However I primarily eat fish and chicken just cause it’s cheap and my asian parents believe it’s better for you than eating red meat lmao

This diet is focused on steaks bison etc which I only eat once in a while. Will definitely try this when I can though because to me the nonbloat benefits is very intriguing along with the claims of enhanced performance

I was on a surplus of +300 on a fairly reasonable diet and I think just due to all the food volume I was bloating up like a
mothercucker

IIRC all that salt will improve CNS performance thus allowing you to lift weights more efficiently, right? I don’t think I get enough potassium in my diet which is an issue. I also drink 1.5 gallons of water. Would the increased salt bloat me up? I was on 3.5g a day on average before I believe

Also white rice masterrace crew
I have about 30 minutes left, and he says Chicken and Turkey are "ok", but red meat and fatty fish is preferred.Beef is a little hard on my Digestive tract, but i'm wondering if fatty cuts of chicken ie thighs will work as well? It's a good Seminar I recommend watching it.
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Originally Posted By badbl00d⏩
I have about 30 minutes left, and he says Chicken and Turkey are "ok", but red meat and fatty fish is preferred.Beef is a little hard on my Digestive tract, but i'm wondering if fatty cuts of chicken ie thighs will work as well? It's a good Seminar I recommend watching it.
I see, that’s good to hear.

I’ll watch the seminar once I get home for sure. Currently rotting at school lmao

If fatty fish is ok I’d hope chicken thigh or another fatty part is also ok but I’d assume the fish has better micros than the chicken
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on spread juggs. Interesting diet and will look into. Never heard of dosing sodium that high.
Originally Posted By adamsz⏩
I've started incorporating elements of the diet, but haven't gone full in. Stan claims that dietary cholesterol contributing to heart disease is a myth, and cites the PURE study done recently (haven't read it personally) saying dietary cholesteral had little correlation with heart disease and all-cause mortality, and could actually have protective benefits.

I have high cholesterol and it runs on my dad's side of the family, with his brother dying of a heart attack and my dad had a heart attack 2 years ago as well (brother was obese, but dad isn't). My PCP and his cardiologist or whatever after he had his attack said to avoid red meat and lots of dietary cholesterol because it basically clogs your arteries. Are they simply behind the times on the research and have an outmoded understanding of the relationship?

Intuitively my brain says listen to the actual doctors about this stuff (my PCP and the my dad's docs), but then again doctors seemingly don't know chit about nutrition. Stan apparently cites a bunch of studies in the actual e-book u can buy which I'd be interested in checking out, but find it hard to justify spending $100 on an ebook (poor **** here).
Yeah I wouldn't jump to other end of the spectrum as some people seem to be doing. Going from cholesterol contributes to now people saying it doesn't contribute at all.

I just haven't seen the evidence for the latter.
Originally Posted By MichaelDuong⏩
I’ve heard of this and want to try it.

However I primarily eat fish and chicken just cause it’s cheap and my asian parents believe it’s better for you than eating red meat lmao

This diet is focused on steaks bison etc which I only eat once in a while. Will definitely try this when I can though because to me the nonbloat benefits is very intriguing along with the claims of enhanced performance

I was on a surplus of +300 on a fairly reasonable diet and I think just due to all the food volume I was bloating up like a
mothercucker

IIRC all that salt will improve CNS performance thus allowing you to lift weights more efficiently, right? I don’t think I get enough potassium in my diet which is an issue. I also drink 1.5 gallons of water. Would the increased salt bloat me up? I was on 3.5g a day on average before I believe

Also white rice masterrace crew
Yes this will definitely bloat you up. Nothing wrong with that, just something to consider.
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Originally Posted By badbl00d⏩
I have about 30 minutes left, and he says Chicken and Turkey are "ok", but red meat and fatty fish is preferred.Beef is a little hard on my Digestive tract, but i'm wondering if fatty cuts of chicken ie thighs will work as well? It's a good Seminar I recommend watching it.
Originally Posted By MichaelDuong⏩
I see, that’s good to hear.

I’ll watch the seminar once I get home for sure. Currently rotting at school lmao

If fatty fish is ok I’d hope chicken thigh or another fatty part is also ok but I’d assume the fish has better micros than the chicken
Stan does suggest people who have struggle with red meat to incorporate it minimally at first, and gradually increase. Thankfully my body seems to enjoy red meat much better than chicken/fish. I do stick to Bison/Sirloin/Top Round however.
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post 1549498551 04-19-2018, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted By adamsz⏩
I've started incorporating elements of the diet, but haven't gone full in. Stan claims that dietary cholesterol contributing to heart disease is a myth, and cites the PURE study done recently (haven't read it personally) saying dietary cholesteral had little correlation with heart disease and all-cause mortality, and could actually have protective benefits.

I have high cholesterol and it runs on my dad's side of the family, with his brother dying of a heart attack and my dad had a heart attack 2 years ago as well (brother was obese, but dad isn't). My PCP and his cardiologist or whatever after he had his attack said to avoid red meat and lots of dietary cholesterol because it basically clogs your arteries. Are they simply behind the times on the research and have an outmoded understanding of the relationship?

Intuitively my brain says listen to the actual doctors about this stuff (my PCP and the my dad's docs), but then again doctors seemingly don't know chit about nutrition. Stan apparently cites a bunch of studies in the actual e-book u can buy which I'd be interested in checking out, but find it hard to justify spending $100 on an ebook (poor **** here).
One thing Stan is huge on is blood work

1.) find out what you're deficient in or any abnormalities with insulin, ect.
2.) Keep track of general health.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
Stan does suggest people who have struggle with red meat to incorporate it minimally at first, and gradually increase. Thankfully my body seems to enjoy red meat much better than chicken/fish. I do stick to Bison/Sirloin/Top Round however.
Alright, I'll eat beef one meal per day, and steadily increase over time. I'm on spread, but that was a very cool seminar, and I learned quite a bit. Mainly how I need to stop skimping on the salt, and butter.
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After my cut I may consider the one you posted while I eat less rice, do you think that I'll ruin it ? I am currently on PSMF with intermittent fasting and carb cycling and I can see results already in the mirror. I know it's also water weight, but still satisfied. What would be the best option for me to make my caloric intake a bit higher without gaining weight ?

I am not full of energy being so low on carbs, under 30 g. My appetite is supressed via fat burners, but my energy is not sky high.

Le: My refeed day is the 5th day after 4 days of lower than 30g of carbs
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Originally Posted By Jax05⏩
Cliffs on why 8000mg of sodium?
8 grams is low. There's a high intensity health YouTube interview where they recommend 20+ grams
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Originally Posted By Schnitzl⏩
I was more aiming towards the fact that a lot of these outcomes this diet promises have been debunked by numerous scientific meta-analysis and peer-reviewed papers including GI, insulin spikes, recovery or workout performance as miniscule or irrelevant even other than possibly placebo effect.
Eating a moderate protein, high card, moderate fat diet has been debunked? That's news to me I'd like to see that study
Originally Posted By adamsz⏩
I've started incorporating elements of the diet, but haven't gone full in. Stan claims that dietary cholesterol contributing to heart disease is a myth, and cites the PURE study done recently (haven't read it personally) saying dietary cholesteral had little correlation with heart disease and all-cause mortality, and could actually have protective benefits.

I have high cholesterol and it runs on my dad's side of the family, with his brother dying of a heart attack and my dad had a heart attack 2 years ago as well (brother was obese, but dad isn't). My PCP and his cardiologist or whatever after he had his attack said to avoid red meat and lots of dietary cholesterol because it basically clogs your arteries. Are they simply behind the times on the research and have an outmoded understanding of the relationship?

Intuitively my brain says listen to the actual doctors about this stuff (my PCP and the my dad's docs), but then again doctors seemingly don't know chit about nutrition. Stan apparently cites a bunch of studies in the actual e-book u can buy which I'd be interested in checking out, but find it hard to justify spending $100 on an ebook (poor **** here).
There's a lot of speculation in your post. Have you actually had your cholesterol tested?

I get blood work done every 6 months. My latest round was after ~2 weeks on this diet coming off a relative see food diet. My cholesterol on my old diet is usually outside the limits but nothing alarming. The latest blood work I got showed the best cholesterol levels I have seen in years. "supplement use" is constant in this equation
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Originally Posted By RoxyFoxy22⏩
After my cut I may consider the one you posted while I eat less rice, do you think that I'll ruin it ? I am currently on PSMF with intermittent fasting and carb cycling and I can see results already in the mirror. I know it's also water weight, but still satisfied. What would be the best option for me to make my caloric intake a bit higher without gaining weight ?

I am not full of energy being so low on carbs, under 30 g. My appetite is supressed via fat burners, but my energy is not sky high.

Le: My refeed day is the 5th day after 4 days of lower than 30g of carbs
I think you missed a few diet fads in list there. Maybe add gluten free vegan keto and see if that helps
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Originally Posted By Iceman1800⏩
I was under the impression that high sodium sent blood pressure thru the roof. Is that broscience or is the extra water counter it?
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
I think you missed a few diet fads in list there. Maybe add gluten free vegan keto and see if that helps
I try to get the best results if I'm already going through a chitty carb-deprived phase. Anyway, thank you for your valuable input.
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
Eating a moderate protein, high card, moderate fat diet has been debunked? That's news to me I'd like to see that study



There's a lot of speculation in your post. Have you actually had your cholesterol tested?

I get blood work done every 6 months. My latest round was after ~2 weeks on this diet coming off a relative see food diet. My cholesterol on my old diet is usually outside the limits but nothing alarming. The latest blood work I got showed the best cholesterol levels I have seen in years. "supplement use" is constant in this equation
Last time I had my cholesterol tested was like 6 years ago when I weighed 210 and ate very broish (tons of chicken breast white rice etc not much dietary cholesterol relatively speaking). Then it was elevated. Now I weight 265ish and definitely eat more dietary cholesterol. I really need to get some blood labs done, but I have an unexplainable physiological aversion to needles lol. I always put it off. Need to man up and get it done.

Edit: remember had them tested again like a year and a half ago. Again they were elevated (eating much more dietary cholesterol then). Need to look up the numbers and compare to when I did it on the bro diet. When I had it done this last time doc told me to stop eating red meat and egg yolks (lol).
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Originally Posted By adamsz⏩
I've started incorporating elements of the diet, but haven't gone full in. Stan claims that dietary cholesterol contributing to heart disease is a myth, and cites the PURE study done recently (haven't read it personally) saying dietary cholesteral had little correlation with heart disease and all-cause mortality, and could actually have protective benefits.

I have high cholesterol and it runs on my dad's side of the family, with his brother dying of a heart attack and my dad had a heart attack 2 years ago as well (brother was obese, but dad isn't). My PCP and his cardiologist or whatever after he had his attack said to avoid red meat and lots of dietary cholesterol because it basically clogs your arteries. Are they simply behind the times on the research and have an outmoded understanding of the relationship?
Inflammation in the tissues or infection require the usage of cholesterol for repair. So, if you're constantly inflamed, then over the years it can lead to high cholesterol. Doesn't matter if you're a vegan or on a keto diet, or anywhere in between (although certain foods can of course trigger an inflammatory response in the body..).
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Why not substitute beef for chicken and fish ? It's been proven that eating too much red meat is unhealthy in the long run. Steaks are more expensive too, unless you eat ground beef on a regular basis which is even more unhealthy.
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Originally Posted By RoxyFoxy22⏩
After my cut I may consider the one you posted while I eat less rice, do you think that I'll ruin it ? I am currently on PSMF with intermittent fasting and carb cycling and I can see results already in the mirror. I know it's also water weight, but still satisfied. What would be the best option for me to make my caloric intake a bit higher without gaining weight ?

I am not full of energy being so low on carbs, under 30 g. My appetite is supressed via fat burners, but my energy is not sky high.

Le: My refeed day is the 5th day after 4 days of lower than 30g of carbs
Honestly I think this diet would be very ideal for gaining quality muscle with minimal fat for a few reasons.
- emphasis on white rice. It's much easier to digest than brown rice. You can add more to your diet as you progress/get hungry
- red meat is higher nutrient and more readily used by the body .
- main factor however is that this diet emphasis nutrients intake and absorption, meaning you aren't wasting time with pointless foods. Everything has a purpose. Not a lot of excess waste
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Originally Posted By econbrah11⏩
Why not substitute beef for chicken and fish ? It's been proven that eating too much red meat is unhealthy in the long run. Steaks are more expensive too, unless you eat ground beed on a regular basis which is even more unhealthy.
There are countless articles proving that wrong, especially for those who resistance train. Red meat is drastically higher in nutrient values and its better for absorption. Yes it is more expensive, but because its a higher quality food.

EDIT: It is also covered in the seminar, and Stan has provided references for absolutely everything he mentions in the seminar in his outlines.
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i don't know **** about this diet. obviously different but dudes in jail get ****ing jacked just doing calestics and lifting water bags and the majority of their diet is high carb and a **** ton of salt intake from canteen food (ramen, chilli, rice). maybe on to something lol. obviously guys in jail are basically eating sleeping lifting all day and night so that helps lol
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I don't get the juice thing at all, without the fibrous matrix of solid fruit it's just pure chit.



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Is there any list of the foods/macroprofile on the internet other then his $100 ebook?

I'm from South Louisiana so high sodium, lots of white rice, meat, etc. is pretty much standard.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
There are countless articles proving that wrong, especially for those who resistance train. Red meat is drastically higher in nutrient values and its better for absorption. Yes it is more expensive, but because its a higher quality food.

EDIT: It is also covered in the seminar, and Stan has provided references for absolutely everything he mentions in the seminar in his outlines.
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Been loosely following this diet for about a month now when I first saw that video he did at Thors gym posted here. Its not ground breaking stuff tho. John Meadows has an article from a few years ago about a similar approach.

Eating Steak, grass fed ground beef, lamb, and salmon over chicken breast and thighs has been fuking awesome. Better energy levels throughout the day due to the nutrients you're getting from those foods. Currently cutting on less than 150g of carbs a day so im not eating any rice like he recommends and have instead been using sweet potatoes as they're more nutrient dense. Other than my poverty bench dropping 5lbs, my strength has remained constant even 8 weeks into a cut and 12lbs lost.

For those concerned about cholesterol, if you have a family history of high cholesterol, then be weary and get your blood work done regularly. The bigger problem is inflammation from sugar and insulin resistance. HDL and LDL cholesterol are both good in their own ways so the demonization of them is extremely stupid. There are some great articles on westonaprice.org that you can read for more depth on the subject.
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