Religion will forever introduce "the God of the gaps", and God will be a comfort we can turn to when we cannot explain something. The thing is that those gaps are shrinking everyday.

The thing is that the metaphysical models of physics proposed by most major religions are demonstrably false without some heavy reinterpretation. Religion will forever introduce "the God of the gaps", and God will be a comfort we can turn to when we cannot explain something. The thing is that those gaps are shrinking everyday.

you know there are a subset of people who took the "observe" phenomenon in the dual slit experiment to literally mean "observe through the eye" as opposed to "interacting with" and there a bunch of theories based around consciousness on that. even scientists who believe in the "observe through the eye" phenomenon and relate it to concisousness and quantum mechanics

all im saying is there are tons of theories out there, and you speak fairly declaratively when it may not be necessary; and may in fact be naive

pro-tip: use that confidence with women

Science is falsifiable- that is to say, any theory has a way it can be proven false. For example, with our classic notion of gravity, if you could create a scenario where the apple falls from the tree and away from the mass, that would mean the theory is false, or at least incomplete.

By contrast falsifiability does not exist with religion. What would you need- god to come down and say "actually, it's all a lie"?

That's the difference.

Oh the iron knee. The fact that science is fallible and constantly being revised as we learn more is the exact reason it's not a belief system. It requires zero faith.

Religion is the opposite. Well this old timey book says the earth is 6000 years old, so even though we've known this is BS for hundreds of years, we have to pretend the magic book is infallible or the entire religion will crumble.

We don’t “know” it’s more than 6k years old. We think it based on flawed human assumptions.

Believing in science is the same as believing in God. When it comes down to it, it's just a belief.

This is only true for people who don't understand the science involved.

He's right. It is faith. It's faith in our ability to think logically. But it would be somewhat arrogant to deny that our logic could be foolish to advanced creatures, if they existed. To us, though, it shouldn't make a difference until those creatures are discovered. If you have a problem with the model, present something that works better

I've been saying this for a while too. First of all math (the basis of science itself) is made up. Did you know math didn't exist till Egyptians made it up? They came up with these "numbers" and went from there. So what you think is a 0 or 1 or 2 may actually be a 5 or 7 or 9. There is no way to know cause they basically made that chit up.

Plus they came up with this arbitrary "number" system like hundreds of years ago mane so it's natural that their understanding of the world was totally flawed. They thought the earth was round for example, just lol. So basically all of our current science is based on a bunch of bullchit made up "mathemethics" that some ancient dumbasses made up a really long time ago. Does any of it makes sense? Fuk no. I rest my case.

The only alternative model for finding objective truths you'll find on the misc is deep throating miles of cock and being a *******.

How many penises is that?

When low IQ people think about the hard sciences

The scientific method works great and you all believe it works otherwise you would never get in a plane or turn on an electric appliance. Some scientific fields are less credible, such as climate science. That's a problem of political ideologies interfering with science.

How many penises is that?

This is only true for people who don't understand the science involved.

That's an unfounded assumption. The whole point is that the very causal structure you are imposing is actually not necessary. And it has to be that way. Think about it. Did God just come into existence on his own? If the universe doesn't make sense doing that, why does God make sense? You perceive causality and notions of a direction of time because you exist at the scales you exist at. Our universe may actually be a very complicated 11 dimensional quantum thing. During the planck epoch, the notion of time and space starts to break down. The "dimensionality" of the universe starts to break down too. We have no current theory to describe it, but it is possible that classical notions of causality may not apply there at all. If that sounds logically paradoxical to you, consider that our entire concept of "present" is observer dependent, and that what we perceive as "time" really is just a perception of another dimension. The idea that there is some God perceiving the universe moving along some absolute time scale is inconsistent with what we already know about physics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relati...f_simultaneity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rietdi...utnam_argument

It is difficult for lifeforms like us to comprehend these things, but there are now models that show that time and space may emerge from something more fundamental. Our universe is more complicated than it seems, and these simple, ancient notions of a creator creating the universe along some absolute timeline are almost certainly false.

If you want to argue for a God, there are other possible ways to interpret that our universe might have been deliberately created. The models of cosmology that exist now allowed for a huge class of possible kinds of universes to exist with a lot of different physical laws. The results would have been very different. Many of these cannot support life. The anthropic principle gives a kind of answer to why our universe is so special, but some problems like the fine-tuning problem suggest that there really is something special about our universe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy_problem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_constant

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle

These are describing finely tuned parameters. We are indeed, very fortunate to exist in the universe we are in.

It's funny when dumb people try to act like they're interested in science.

This misc science threads always make me despair for humanity. So many people with poor understanding spouting nonsense thinking they are clever.

You don't 'believe in science' like a religion you potatoes.

You are guilty of what you claim to be against.


So typical.

He's trolling. He's actually an EE or something just talking chit.

I honestly tried to make it sound as absurd as possible yet scrolled through about 5 serious responses. This probably the 4th or 5th thread where I've reapplied the "math is fake" troll bit and you may have actually been the one who took the bait the longest. Pretty sure we had a multi-page discussion where I tried my best to sound as retarded as possible yet the discussion continued.

It's not my intent just to poke fun; I honestly find it fascinating how believable sounding like a complete moron is to most people, specially online. I suppose it's to be expected since there are some pretty absurd idiots out there indeed.

This is only true for people who don't understand the science involved.

Your whole thing about math being made up and a cultural phenomenon put together and agreed upon by authorities is literally the point of view of some sociologists. They seek to diminish the universal truth of math and the empirical truth of science and reduce them to cultural truths that are true only because some in-group agrees it is true. It's absurd. Their entire field is that way, and they are too dumb to understand math so they think every other field of knowledge is also that way. People like that srsly exist. Some of them even become professors of philosophy or sociology and spread their cancer.