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Kids stuck in cave may have to wait until October to get out.
Kids stuck in cave may have to wait until October to get out.
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Anyone read ted the caver?
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Originally Posted By SenorMcBrah⏩
If it makes you feel any better he went unconcious due to being upside down so long and died.Just the thought of what this guy went through (before ultimately dying) gets my anxiety up.
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Originally Posted By plumedollar1⏩
No, not take off the scuba tank to where you aren't breathing O2 but moving the tank behind you or in front of you while still using the oxygen regulator.I don't think that's possible — taking the scuba tank off at certain places — that is. I assume the distance which the kids have to travel without the scuba tanks are way too long for them to make it out alive and on top of that, they do not even know how to swim, complicating the matter even further.
EDIT: The distance is somewhere about 1.5 miles so that's highly unlikely even for an experienced diver.
EDIT: The distance is somewhere about 1.5 miles so that's highly unlikely even for an experienced diver.
There were cave spots I was diving in where the tank would scrape on the walls so you'd take your tank off and swim with it directly in front of you in order to make yourself skinny and able to fit. Definitely freaky because your entire existence is sitting in your hands in front of you and you don't want to drop your tank because there goes your air.
07-03-2018, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger⏩
Kids wouldn’t even need to do that. They could free swim with a long regulator hose. The pros could carry the tank.No, not take off the scuba tank to where you aren't breathing O2 but moving the tank behind you or in front of you while still using the oxygen regulator.
There were cave spots I was diving in where the tank would scrape on the walls so you'd take your tank off and swim with it directly in front of you in order to make yourself skinny and able to fit. Definitely freaky because your entire existence is sitting in your hands in front of you and you don't want to drop your tank because there goes your air.
There were cave spots I was diving in where the tank would scrape on the walls so you'd take your tank off and swim with it directly in front of you in order to make yourself skinny and able to fit. Definitely freaky because your entire existence is sitting in your hands in front of you and you don't want to drop your tank because there goes your air.
I’ve scubad before where the tank floats on the surface. The air line was like 20ft long.
Kids not being able to swim would be the problem
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Originally Posted By eltoro24⏩
Kids would hyperventilate and panic and drain your air in 10 minutesKids wouldn’t even need to do that. They could free swim with a long regulator hose. The pros could carry the tank.
I’ve scubad before where the tank floats on the surface. The air line was like 20ft long.
Kids not being able to swim would be the problem
I’ve scubad before where the tank floats on the surface. The air line was like 20ft long.
Kids not being able to swim would be the problem
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07-03-2018, 11:52 AM
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Couldn't they just feed a rope/cable through the passages? Don't have to swim to be able to grab the rope and pull yourself through. Maybe the passage way is too narrow.
Originally Posted By menseks⏩
After seeing this a while back i looked into that story quite a bit. Some kid got stuck in the same passage where he did, but not as far in. He was 140 pounds, 5'7 and still experienced nerve damage due to how he was stuck. John Jones was 200 pounds and 5'11. Situational awareness not even once.
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07-03-2018, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted By eltoro24⏩
Hmm, with fins it seems like it wouldn't be that much of a problem. Just have them follow the ceiling of the cave. Put their flotation devices on to max and they'll always stay right at the top of the cave.Kids wouldn’t even need to do that. They could free swim with a long regulator hose. The pros could carry the tank.
I’ve scubad before where the tank floats on the surface. The air line was like 20ft long.
Kids not being able to swim would be the problem
I’ve scubad before where the tank floats on the surface. The air line was like 20ft long.
Kids not being able to swim would be the problem
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Originally Posted By EmmaW4tson⏩
Not really but thanks for trying. Even being in that position for a few minutes would drive me crazy I think.If it makes you feel any better he went unconcious due to being upside down so long and died.
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Originally Posted By SerbianSickKant⏩
Some of the passages are so narrow the divers have to take air tanks off to get thru.why not give them air tanks and they grab onto pro divers and they take them out?
Hmm, with fins it seems like it wouldn't be that much of a problem. Just have them follow the ceiling of the cave.
...yet experts actually there don’t think that’s an obvious answer. Hmmm... maybe they know more about it than we do?
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Fuk man I feel sorry for those kids what toruture it must be for them.
How can we land a man on the moon but we can't figure out a way to extract them safely? Have other governments asked for assistance or offered help?
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How can we land a man on the moon but we can't figure out a way to extract them safely? Have other governments asked for assistance or offered help?
Misc engineers offer any advice???
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
over 7.6 billion people in this worldSucks man. They're just kids.
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Originally Posted By QuickNutkus⏩
Some people may be born with a "risk taking" gene mutation. In order to truly enjoy an activity, they must take to a very risky level.Couldn't they just feed a rope/cable through the passages? Don't have to swim to be able to grab the rope and pull yourself through. Maybe the passage way is too narrow.
After seeing this a while back i looked into that story quite a bit. Some kid got stuck in the same passage where he did, but not as far in. He was 140 pounds, 5'7 and still experienced nerve damage due to how he was stuck. John Jones was 200 pounds and 5'11. Situational awareness not even once.
After seeing this a while back i looked into that story quite a bit. Some kid got stuck in the same passage where he did, but not as far in. He was 140 pounds, 5'7 and still experienced nerve damage due to how he was stuck. John Jones was 200 pounds and 5'11. Situational awareness not even once.
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It's great that they're Thai and not Uruguayan...
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Originally Posted By umop3pisdn⏩
That was a local Calgary company that sent the equipment over to help with the rescue. I have a feeling the same thing will happen again. Canada has the best people in the world for dealing with situations like this.Reminds me of this
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Originally Posted By Darkhare⏩
Read the article. Pumps have already been deployed. Drilling is being considered but deemed not feasible at the moment.But who was
Scuba gear?
Water pumps?
Drilling?
Air Lines and tow lines?
Scuba gear?
Water pumps?
Drilling?
Air Lines and tow lines?
As for swimming out, the technical logistics of the escape are not the problem here.
These are teenagers who can't swim, who have no diving experience, but above all else,who haven't had any sleep or anything to eat or drink for close to two weeks. And we aren't talking about a short 100 meter trek, we are talking about a two mile swim through a pitch-black obstacle course that took highly experienced, highly trained, well-fed and well-rested men who do operations like this for a livingsix hoursto navigate. No amount of scuba gear, air lines and tow lines will ensure these severely emaciated children will survive the swim given how arduous it is.
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-Use experienced divers to go in and feed a cable through to act as a guidance system for the kids, so they wouldn't even have to swim, just pull themselves on the cable.
-divers will stage a bunch of 02 tanks along the cable near the choke points, so that if tanks need to be ditched they can get new ones.
-stage and rotate experienced divers at multiple points throughout the cave to act as assistants to help the kids move in the right direction. It'll be like passing a baton, once the assistant gets the kid to the next diver that diver then goes along with the kid until the next 'checkpoint'.
-use underwater tools to help widen some of the extra tight/tricky areas (idk if something like this exists or is even possible)
-Thai speaking dive instructor will obviously have to go in prior to this and give a crash course class and special 1 on 1 attention will have to be given to each kid to ensure they're semi-competent.
-Do this 1 kid at a time, this will take longer but will ensure chaos doesn't ensue and emergencies can be better managed.
What am I missing, boyos? Let's crowdsource a solution. Let's critique what we've got and come up with the ultimate plan to save these kids.
-divers will stage a bunch of 02 tanks along the cable near the choke points, so that if tanks need to be ditched they can get new ones.
-stage and rotate experienced divers at multiple points throughout the cave to act as assistants to help the kids move in the right direction. It'll be like passing a baton, once the assistant gets the kid to the next diver that diver then goes along with the kid until the next 'checkpoint'.
-use underwater tools to help widen some of the extra tight/tricky areas (idk if something like this exists or is even possible)
-Thai speaking dive instructor will obviously have to go in prior to this and give a crash course class and special 1 on 1 attention will have to be given to each kid to ensure they're semi-competent.
-Do this 1 kid at a time, this will take longer but will ensure chaos doesn't ensue and emergencies can be better managed.
What am I missing, boyos? Let's crowdsource a solution. Let's critique what we've got and come up with the ultimate plan to save these kids.
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Originally Posted By DCutch⏩
Age 6-Use experienced divers to go in and feed a cable through to act as a guidance system for the kids, so they wouldn't even have to swim, just pull themselves on the cable.
-divers will stage a bunch of 02 tanks along the cable near the choke points, so that if tanks need to be ditched they can get new ones.
-stage and rotate experienced divers at multiple points throughout the cave to act as assistants to help the kids move in the right direction. It'll be like passing a baton, once the assistant gets the kid to the next diver that diver then goes along with the kid until the next 'checkpoint'.
-use underwater tools to help widen some of the extra tight/tricky areas (idk if something like this exists or is even possible)
-Thai speaking dive instructor will obviously have to go in prior to this and give a crash course class and special 1 on 1 attention will have to be given to each kid to ensure they're semi-competent.
-Do this 1 kid at a time, this will take longer but will ensure chaos doesn't ensue and emergencies can be better managed.
What am I missing, boyos? Let's crowdsource a solution. Let's critique what we've got and come up with the ultimate plan to save these kids.
-divers will stage a bunch of 02 tanks along the cable near the choke points, so that if tanks need to be ditched they can get new ones.
-stage and rotate experienced divers at multiple points throughout the cave to act as assistants to help the kids move in the right direction. It'll be like passing a baton, once the assistant gets the kid to the next diver that diver then goes along with the kid until the next 'checkpoint'.
-use underwater tools to help widen some of the extra tight/tricky areas (idk if something like this exists or is even possible)
-Thai speaking dive instructor will obviously have to go in prior to this and give a crash course class and special 1 on 1 attention will have to be given to each kid to ensure they're semi-competent.
-Do this 1 kid at a time, this will take longer but will ensure chaos doesn't ensue and emergencies can be better managed.
What am I missing, boyos? Let's crowdsource a solution. Let's critique what we've got and come up with the ultimate plan to save these kids.
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Originally Posted By DCutch⏩
Fill the cave so it doesn't happen again...-Use experienced divers to go in and feed a cable through to act as a guidance system for the kids, so they wouldn't even have to swim, just pull themselves on the cable.
-divers will stage a bunch of 02 tanks along the cable near the choke points, so that if tanks need to be ditched they can get new ones.
-stage and rotate experienced divers at multiple points throughout the cave to act as assistants to help the kids move in the right direction. It'll be like passing a baton, once the assistant gets the kid to the next diver that diver then goes along with the kid until the next 'checkpoint'.
-use underwater tools to help widen some of the extra tight/tricky areas (idk if something like this exists or is even possible)
-Thai speaking dive instructor will obviously have to go in prior to this and give a crash course class and special 1 on 1 attention will have to be given to each kid to ensure they're semi-competent.
-Do this 1 kid at a time, this will take longer but will ensure chaos doesn't ensue and emergencies can be better managed.
What am I missing, boyos? Let's crowdsource a solution. Let's critique what we've got and come up with the ultimate plan to save these kids.
-divers will stage a bunch of 02 tanks along the cable near the choke points, so that if tanks need to be ditched they can get new ones.
-stage and rotate experienced divers at multiple points throughout the cave to act as assistants to help the kids move in the right direction. It'll be like passing a baton, once the assistant gets the kid to the next diver that diver then goes along with the kid until the next 'checkpoint'.
-use underwater tools to help widen some of the extra tight/tricky areas (idk if something like this exists or is even possible)
-Thai speaking dive instructor will obviously have to go in prior to this and give a crash course class and special 1 on 1 attention will have to be given to each kid to ensure they're semi-competent.
-Do this 1 kid at a time, this will take longer but will ensure chaos doesn't ensue and emergencies can be better managed.
What am I missing, boyos? Let's crowdsource a solution. Let's critique what we've got and come up with the ultimate plan to save these kids.
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Why didn't the little fkrs go back the way they came in after sensing that they were lost?
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Originally Posted By Tornach⏩
That's after the kids get out (but we leave the povertyball coach inside).Fill the cave so it doesn't happen again...
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Originally Posted By doughnutking⏩
yes this, the kids look to be coping great considering. **** i would not be smilingI'd imagine most if not all of these kids are good swimmers.
You also have to love Thai people and their positive outlook. The kids still smiling after being stuck in the dark for 9 days starving, lol at the cheeky lil ******* in the middle with the torch.
You also have to love Thai people and their positive outlook. The kids still smiling after being stuck in the dark for 9 days starving, lol at the cheeky lil ******* in the middle with the torch.
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Originally Posted By DCutch⏩
I like where you're going but holy fack does that sound overly complicated like planning a space shuttle launch, especially since you're dealing with 9-14 year olds who can't even swim having to wade through several miles of black water. Something like what you just outlined would need to be planned out to the tee, one mistake or misfire and someone is drowning. I just feel there has to be some simple, obvious solution. Hopefully, some very smart people are going to figure this out.-Use experienced divers to go in and feed a cable through to act as a guidance system for the kids, so they wouldn't even have to swim, just pull themselves on the cable.
-divers will stage a bunch of 02 tanks along the cable near the choke points, so that if tanks need to be ditched they can get new ones.
-stage and rotate experienced divers at multiple points throughout the cave to act as assistants to help the kids move in the right direction. It'll be like passing a baton, once the assistant gets the kid to the next diver that diver then goes along with the kid until the next 'checkpoint'.
-use underwater tools to help widen some of the extra tight/tricky areas (idk if something like this exists or is even possible)
-Thai speaking dive instructor will obviously have to go in prior to this and give a crash course class and special 1 on 1 attention will have to be given to each kid to ensure they're semi-competent.
-Do this 1 kid at a time, this will take longer but will ensure chaos doesn't ensue and emergencies can be better managed.
What am I missing, boyos? Let's crowdsource a solution. Let's critique what we've got and come up with the ultimate plan to save these kids.
-divers will stage a bunch of 02 tanks along the cable near the choke points, so that if tanks need to be ditched they can get new ones.
-stage and rotate experienced divers at multiple points throughout the cave to act as assistants to help the kids move in the right direction. It'll be like passing a baton, once the assistant gets the kid to the next diver that diver then goes along with the kid until the next 'checkpoint'.
-use underwater tools to help widen some of the extra tight/tricky areas (idk if something like this exists or is even possible)
-Thai speaking dive instructor will obviously have to go in prior to this and give a crash course class and special 1 on 1 attention will have to be given to each kid to ensure they're semi-competent.
-Do this 1 kid at a time, this will take longer but will ensure chaos doesn't ensue and emergencies can be better managed.
What am I missing, boyos? Let's crowdsource a solution. Let's critique what we've got and come up with the ultimate plan to save these kids.
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger⏩
They've probably got the best people in the world giving them advice on what to do - your anecdotal experiences probably don't match that knowledgeNo, not take off the scuba tank to where you aren't breathing O2 but moving the tank behind you or in front of you while still using the oxygen regulator.
There were cave spots I was diving in where the tank would scrape on the walls so you'd take your tank off and swim with it directly in front of you in order to make yourself skinny and able to fit. Definitely freaky because your entire existence is sitting in your hands in front of you and you don't want to drop your tank because there goes your air.
There were cave spots I was diving in where the tank would scrape on the walls so you'd take your tank off and swim with it directly in front of you in order to make yourself skinny and able to fit. Definitely freaky because your entire existence is sitting in your hands in front of you and you don't want to drop your tank because there goes your air.
Edit: Entire thread seems to be full of boyos that think they now better. Lmao, never change misc
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Originally Posted By Gringo12⏩
They would already people that would be specialized in situations like this. They most likely are using mine rescue people to figure out the logistics since they would have training in getting people trapped underground. This isnt a military situation and if the military were ever in a situation where they need to get people trapped underground they would just bring in mine rescue.US military should step in and take this as a training program for their seals
I have a feeling they are just gonna send a bunch of divers over to get them out. Especially if any of them get really sick where they wont last if they stay down there. At that point basically just use that kid as a guinea pig. If it works they can keep going. If not well the kid most likely would have died anyways.
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Originally Posted By cobhc⏩
Yeah cause there are no child predators in football. LMAO1. Why are parents letting some child predator take their children spelunking?
2. This is why Americans don't play soccer.
2. This is why Americans don't play soccer.
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