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post 1560911971 09-10-2018, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted By deltpecx⏩


Modern medicine.





Modern medicine.





..even once?





Modern medicine.


BRB: Native peoples, Aboriginals, Eskimo, etc. also weren't obese on their native diet.
No kidding, the fact that people in here are insinuating that the low life expectancy is BECAUSE of their diet is "next level retarded". Let's just completely forget about them living harsh lives and not havingmodern medicine.
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
What the fuk are you talking about it’s not even close.

Your example is a flat out wrong statement.

I’m pointing out you can get a tablespoon of sugar out of like 3 beets, probably 10lbs of peas. So veggies are different, and the quoted person was off by like 100 times exaggeration in this case.

Meanwhile you compare what I said to some dumb bullchit??? Not even close take some negs you stupid *******
You don’t even lift,
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Originally Posted By ChristianMR⏩
I personally think it's fine and probably a good idea to avoid heavily processed foods that would be way outside of the biological norm (e.g., processed sugar and most vegetable oils). The problem is that people take these notions to an extreme level and start telling people to eliminate foods that might not actually be a problem for that person. For instance, humans have been eating grain since the dawn of civilization, and modern paleolithic people (e.g., Amazonian tribes) prove that many pre-modern humans eat a large amount of starch. It's silly to eliminate potatoes and grains, for instance, unless you determine that you personally actually have a problem with these foods.
I think the Paleo argument against potatoes would be that they're a nightshade and are toxic in their wild form. We eat potatoes because we've bred specific strains for lower toxicity and carefully produce and store them to reduce their toxic potential. Even then, domesticated potatoes contain glycoalkaloids but are screened/tested to ensure it's in amounts small enough to be deemed safe.

We can't eat wild potatoes
Originally Posted By DCutch⏩
No kidding, the fact that people in here are insinuating that the low life expectancy is BECAUSE of their diet is "next level retarded". Let's just completely forget about them living harsh lives and not havingmodern medicine.
Average life expectancy was so much lower because there was a far higher rate of infant mortality. People who made it to adulthood lived long lives, but infant mortality brings down the average
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
I think the Paleo argument against potatoes would be that they're a nightshade and are toxic in their wild form. We eat potatoes because we've bred specific strains for lower toxicity and carefully produce and store them to reduce their toxic potential. Even then, domesticated potatoes contain glycoalkaloids but are screened/tested to ensure it's in amounts small enough to be deemed safe.

We can't eat wild potatoes
Nightshades aren’t toxic unless your allergic, people thought tomatoes were poisonous in early 1900s due to this misguided belief thus giving tomato ketchup it’s rise to popularity vs fish or mushroom ketchup.
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
I think the Paleo argument against potatoes would be that they're a nightshade and are toxic in their wild form. We eat potatoes because we've bred specific strains for lower toxicity and carefully produce and store them to reduce their toxic potential. Even then, domesticated potatoes contain glycoalkaloids but in amounts small enough to be deemed safe.

We can't eat wild potatoes
The dose makes the poison. You would also die if you consumed supradietary quantities of iron (meat), selenium (meats and seafoods), retinol (liver), and just about anything else. I haven't seen sources indicating that wild potatoes were inedible when they were first discovered by man, but I wouldn't care anyway, because people don't eat them.
Take it easy Christian
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Originally Posted By Le
THIS 100000%

Keto is such a simple diet, its probably the easiest to follow and once you find a few things that you like and easy to make meal prep takes less than 2 hours and you have great, nutrient dense meals all week

Keto isn't for everyone but it's hands down the best cutting diet out there
Yes sir!
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Originally Posted By DCutch⏩
From what I've gathered, ancestral dieting is less of "eat what your ancestors ate" and more about not eating junk that wouldn't have been available during those times. And I fully believe we've made adaptations between now and then, but the magnitude of those physiological adaptations is up for debate.

Once again I'm not advocating Paleo or saying it's the right or wrong way to eat, rather I'm taking issue with the poster saying it's "next level retarded" which I just don't agree with.
Nothing that they ate then is available today. I repeatnothing

I believe you and I have a fundamental difference what ancestral dieting is. I'm going by the premise in the OP which I believe is the correct one.

You're stating that its essentially eating whole foods and avoiding processed things. This is not correct fundamentally. Let's establish that first and foremost

We don't even disagree really. You're just stuck on an exaggeration I made and looking to pick a fight
Originally Posted By DCutch⏩
This is just ridiculous. So you think their life expectancy was a result of their diet and not the rigors of life and absence of modern medicine?
First you advocate a diet for total health and then you tell me here that the Inuit diet had nothing to do with life expectancy

Which is it bro?
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agree 100%

"eating clean" is regarded with so much derision from dumbfukk iifym bros but it makes any cut so easy

after a while you get stockholm syndrome and don't want to leave your cutting diet

i had a while back that i ate a "paleo" diet and got so fukken lean without setting out to do that at all

the bish i was dating didn't lose a pound so she was probably sneaking donuts

that being said, avoiding fruit and tubers is stupid. low energy density with high satiety as a result

the highest satiety food tested is still boiled white potatoes srs
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Nightshades aren’t toxic unless your allergic, people thought tomatoes were poisonous in early 1900s due to this misguided belief thus giving tomato ketchup it’s rise to popularity vs fish or mushroom ketchup.
It's not an allergy, it's a toxin called solanine
Originally Posted By ChristianMR⏩
The dose makes the poison. You would also die if you consumed supradietary quantities of iron (meat), selenium (meats and seafoods), retinol (liver), and just about anything else. I haven't seen sources indicating that wild potatoes were inedible when they were first discovered by man, but I wouldn't care anyway, because people don't eat them.
Yeah but it's not supradietary or requiring any special circumstances. Eat a wild potato and you're gonna have a bad time. Eat domesticated potatoes that haven't been screened and stored properly and you may have a bad time.
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These diets get repackaged every 5 years or so and people who are unaware flock to it like it is the magic pill they have been looking for. Both keto and intermittent fasting have been around for years and reach peak levels of fandom every once in a while until the noise around then quiets down and people go back to doing what makes the most sense - a diet based in moderation and common sense.

The easiest way to make a name for yourself in the fitness industry is to come out and make claims that are so far on the other side of the common sense spectrum that it raises people's curiosity en masse. Most people are just bored and willing to try something new even if it seems outrageous simply because they like variety and novelty. They do this with both diet and training principles.
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the paleotards new buzzword of the month must be, "modern medicine" i take it? - lol

let me eat these berries, pine needles, and grasshopper turds because my ancester did so 5000 years ago.

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Fk keto.. Carb cycling is my best way, my body can't live without carbs i literally feel like a ****ing skeleton dragging myself on a daily basis if I'm on keto.. That horrible flat feeling and my stomach wanting to kill itself. Not going to say its "bad" either because all our bodies are different and react differently to various diets/techniques.
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post 1560914041 09-10-2018, 10:05 AM
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This topic is such a neg-farm this thread literally wouldn't exist in the Nutrition section of this forum.
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Originally Posted By rainieravesouth⏩
what's the driving factor in Keto? hint: it's not cutting out sugar or carbs

Spoiler!
calorie deficit


you keep talking about your MICROS. so show us your micronutrient breakdown. i'd love to see what your target and actual numbers are. please, let us know.
still waiting, OP.
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Originally Posted By ChrissJ⏩
Fk keto.. Carb cycling is my best way, my body can't live without carbs i literally feel like a ****ing skeleton dragging myself on a daily basis if I'm on keto.. That horrible flat feeling and my stomach wanting to kill itself. Not going to say its "bad" either because all our bodies are different and react differently to various diets/techniques.
i swear their goal is to use hacked pseudoscience in a feeble attempt to persuade others to have miserable nutrition choices.


...now where did i leave my brownies and doritos.
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Originally Posted By RightKindaGuy⏩
i swear their goal is to use hacked pseudoscience in a feeble attempt to persuade others to have miserable nutrition choices.


...now where did i leave my brownies and doritos.
Nah, the goal is to make chit seem as complicated as possible so they can sell themselves
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
It's not an allergy, it's a toxin called solanine



Yeah but it's not supradietary or requiring any special circumstances. Eat a wild potato and you're gonna have a bad time. Eat domesticated potatoes that haven't beenscreened and stored properlyand you may have a bad time.
You say it doesn't require any special circumstances, but then you point to special circumstances (improper storage and screening). Improperly stored meat can make you sick too, m8.

Again, the fact that a wild-type potato might get you sick is completely and utterly irrelevant when these potatoes aren't for sale in the grocery store. Unless you are literally foraging in the fukking Andes, you will never see -- much less eat -- one of these things.

Avoiding potatoes because their ancestors were toxic would be like avoiding me because my ancestors were toxic.
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did keto for 6 months, now i switched to full carnivore (45days into it now) to test it out. idk boyos so far i feel great, felt great on keto and feel great on full meat.
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Oh now he's a nutritionist.


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Originally Posted By nothingshocking⏩
I honestly don't know.

I wonder if it's my body adjusting to the types of food I eat. The past 4 or 5 years I have been trying to be healthier and have been eating a lot of whole foods. So now when I deviate from that my body isn't ready for it. ie, maybe I inadvertently did it to myself

or maybe it's just part of aging
I think both things are right and I'll add more

Your body adapts its gut biome to the foods you typically eat. When you restrict that, they become more specified. (science on this is still developing so take it with a grain of salt)

You've cleaned up your diet so much that you're feeling the effects of it. Before, you never gave it much of an effort so you were constantly in some state of inflammation from crap food. Now that you're feeling great, the contrast when you eat crap food is much more dramatic

Your ability to bounce back from "trauma" definitely decreases as you age. When was the last time you went out drinking and felt fine the next day? ugghhh, lmao
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
I think both things are right and I'll add more

Your body adapts its gut biome to the foods you typically eat. When you restrict that, they become more specified. (science on this is still developing so take it with a grain of salt)

You've cleaned up your diet so much that you're feeling the effects of it. Before, you never gave it much of an effort so you were constantly in some state of inflammation from crap food. Now that you're feeling great, the contrast when you eat crap food is much more dramatic

Your ability to bounce back from "trauma" definitely decreases as you age. When was the last time you went out drinking and felt fine the next day? ugghhh, lmao
makes sense, good stuff
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Originally Posted By ChristianMR⏩
You say it doesn't require any special circumstances, but then you point to special circumstances (improper storage and screening). Improperly stored meat can make you sick too, m8.

Again, the fact that a wild-type potato might get you sick is completely and utterly irrelevant when these potatoes aren't for sale in the grocery store. Unless you are literally foraging in the fukking Andes, you will never see -- much less eat -- one of these things.
Well the special circumstance comment was referring to the wild taters. But really, screening and testing and specific storage is the special circumstance for domesticated potatoes. If we didn’t screen and store potatoes this way, people would be getting sick from them far more often. If we hadn’t domesticated and bred potato strains for lower toxicity, we wouldn’t be eating them.

Part of the Paleo logic is that we should eat only things we evolved eating, which would exclude plants we have domesticated, cultivated, and made edible since the advent of agriculture.


Not really arguing for or against it, just clarifying the concepts here
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lol @ keto cuck or any other fad diet that dies away after 3 years
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I feel the best and have the most energy when I eat keto. Did it for 6 months or so back in the day and went from a fat 220lbs to 168lbs
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
Part of the Paleo logic is that we should eat only things we evolved eating, which would exclude plants we have domesticated, cultivated, and made edible since the advent of agriculture.
So you can eat essentially nothing then. Got it.

Man these ancestral/paleo diets are great. I'll definitely be losing some weight
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
So you can eat essentially nothing then. Got it.

Man these ancestral/paleo diets are great. I'll definitely be losing some weight
Can't be unhealthy if you die from starvation brah
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srs question, what is it specifically about processed sugar that makes it worse than "natural" sugars, i.e sugars found in fruits, do they use some processing method that alters the chemistry, or add some harmful chemicals to it? What is it misc?? cuz it seems like there is a whole lot of broscience in this thread.
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
It's not an allergy, it's a toxin called solanine



Yeah but it's not supradietary or requiring any special circumstances. Eat a wild potato and you're gonna have a bad time. Eat domesticated potatoes that haven't been screened and stored properly and you may have a bad time.
I mean no, I’m specifically referring to an allergy to all nightshades which is a thing. The toxin solanine is an alkaloid and while all nightshades have alkaloids not all have concentrations of solanine.
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