Back in the good old days, the most common practice for an incel to get laid was to hit up a good old fashioned nightclub and drunkenly hit on a large number of girls, relying on the laws of probability to get lucky (and invariably end up with an equally drunk, fat ugly bitch).

Today, incels whine and act surprised when some 11/10 duck faced insta bitch swipes left on them on an app they are surfing from their couch at home. Where is the actual effort?

How many modern day incels actually physically interact with the women who reject them?

Back before the internet was invented, there wasn't such a term as 'Chad'.

There were no dedicated forums or reddit subs where like-minded car sales men and management majors, jocks and narcissistic dumbasses could show off and whine amongst themselves about dealing with chitty customers and having chitty jobs.

No support system whatsoever.

Chads had to suck it up and accept they have to work selling and customer service jobs for the rest of their lives. They had to quietly accept a life of partying, STDs,Tinder and drugs.

They knew from a very early age that "success" was simply someone who is not them. Everyone else gets decent office jobs and Engineering,postgrad. and STEM degrees. He accepted it.

The sheer stoic majesty of the Chad of yesterday should never be forgotten.

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the problem is online dating apps nowadays have hideously exasperated this 90/10 problem (top 10% of men get all the women)


in the past, women couldn't go online and get 52358205823058 dating options blowing up their ego

i didnt hear about the term until 2014, i hope the trend will die off soon
better off the incels just kill themselves

I'm not even incel anymore. Just cel...just dead inside. Nothing to live for or care about -- nothing to look forward to. Just emptiness and desolation. when i am gone, no one will remember or care. My existence was nothing but a mistake.

There were millions of genetic failures that lived before us. All their stories are forgotten. Nobody cared for them. They were only ever just bad solutions to the evolutionary problem. We can just take comfort in knowing that mankind will likely go extinct in the grand scheme of things. All of us are genetic trash compared to bacteria.

op is a very wise man.

So what? Most people get forgotten about anyways. People only know who their grandparents were.

I havent seen your evidence at all.

its also not a sob story its reality

No, it's a sob story. Stop blaming tech for your own entitlement complex. You're mythologizing some non-existent past, when the truth is you, and guys like you, wouldn't have fared any better back then with women. According to you you're extremely unattractive, short, and have zero status. The women you want would have rejected you in the 1950s as well, or at the very least, her male relatives would have refused you because you're obviously unstable and so would have been deemed untrustworthy.

I'm positive you could get a fat, unattractive chick, but you likely only have eyes for women way above you in the looks department, and then use online dating as the scapegoat to try and rationalize your sad state. Sorry to be harsh, but your posts are insufferable.

in their defense, the incels of past didn't feel the same pressure of getting laid as incels do today due to overly sexualized media, pop culture that we have today etc. And moreover, social media/internet changed everything. women clearly have a huge advantage when it comes to online dating etc thus the average incel now is technically more marginalized then before. I'm just saying.

Hate to break it to you but women have always liked sex. Social media has brought all of this to light and incels can't handle it.

The average person had FAR fewer partners, but paradoxically, a LOT more sex over the course of his or her life (generally with a partner he or she was betrothed to from early teen age).

So you believe that technology, online dating, changes in society have had no impact whatsoever? It's the same as the 50s.

You're retarded.

It's also not a sob story. I'm not sad about it, ifs the way it works. If women weren't picky we wouldn't evolve as a species

Women liked sex but when they were getting married in their early 20s and didnt always work they didnt have time or the means to ride the cawk carousel .

They settled for the guy next door or at school. Doesn't happen now

There also were less incels as a result. By far less.

Incels would just moneymax and marry much younger. I see it in my aunts and uncles. If the moneys not right, then yeah it probably leads to depression.

Aside from the comfort of staying in these days...back then it would definitely force me out of boredom to go out much more.

Nah man nowadays 16 year old girls are selling pictures of their feet online to strange men (true story). It's wild out there. Whoring out has never been so celebrated. Get your wallets out boysDon't be sad

They settled for the guy next door who was on their level. People are generally, with exceptions of course, looks matched, back then and now. My point was that you still wouldn't be getting laid or getting matched with the women you find attractive---that hasn't changed. You could still get the type of women now that you would have ended up with then; it's a misc myth that all the 3s and 4s are getting piped by Chad.

Also, lmao that you're not mad about the situation. You wouldn't be posting about how 'picky' women are in every thread on this topic if you weren't upset.

It's not that 3s and 4s are banging chads. But they can get casual sex from better looking men and they would prefer flings with them over dating a guy on their level. Until they're washed up and then they want to settle.

In past generations, a girl on my level trying to get married by her early 20s would settle for me. Nowadays she won't at least not until she's old and "done having fun".

And no, I am not mad that women don't find me attractive because I know I'm not. There's nothing to be mad about.

I'm more sad for myself that I'm deprived of basic relationship experiences, not mad though.

I actually think one of the biggest differences was how widespread and commonplace hard drug use was. When we rewind back to the '20's-'40's, drug use was nowhere near as common as it is today. People drank, but alcohol wasn't cheap. Most people were afraid of becoming alcoholics, and a lot of places wouldn't even serve you alcohol on Sundays. Church was a huge part of life, and I think smoking was a LOT more common than drinking. Only the exceptionally wealthy did any other form of drug (aside from soldiers who often got hooked on morphine). Society was also WAY more conservative. The lack of birth control meant that most women wouldn't fuk you until they were really sure you would marry them. Divorce was frowned upon. People generally only had 1-3 partners over the course of their entire lives. Sure, there were always the wealthy and famous who would womanize and sloot, but the average person was fairly innocent and tame by today's standards. Pornography also wasn't widespread, and the kind of porn that was mostly around back then was pretty tame. (Obviously there were exceptions, weird fetishes, sex slavery, etc...but they were not common.) As society's attitudes toward sex shifted, as drug use became more common, and as birth control became more widely available, society changed. Sex is now something you do with someone you are dating, while it used to be almost exclusively something you did with your spouse. Drug use leads to people making poorer decisions, and the popularity and widespread use of alcohol has led to some really regrettable mistakes and ruined relationships. And birth control has made it so men and women alike can bang as much as they want for pleasure with minimal consequences. This encourages infidelity and hypergamy.

It makes sense that things are as they are now. They basically can't go back. Marriage is, unfortunately, a dated concept now. People no longer really honor marriages, so it is almost pointless to ever marry. More men are living the "Chad" life that only the exceptionally wealthy led in the early 1900's. But, there are also a disproportionately larger amount of undesirable incels. It is also funny to note how general rates of depression have increased, and people report less satisfaction with their relationships. Even Chad isn't happy. This is a terrible way to run a society, and we have seen the results in many large cities, where tons of people are born in broken families and grow up without proper parenting.

It's the new normal now to not have your biological mom and dad living at home, married and caring for you. Couple all this with the changes in average purchasing power and rising income inequality, and you see a fuking disaster. Our country's family structure is actively decaying. People act like it's a cliche, but the American family really is practically destroyed at this point.

People say it all changed in 2012, however I think with "incels" it all changed in late 2014. When ER went on his killing spree and released his long manifesto, he become something of a martyr to like-minded anti-social, embittered young males. It was this event which seemed to do the most in terms of giving "incels" a negative label as potentially dangerous, socially inept and ostracised young males. ER's influence was even given credence when killer AM paid tribute to him just before his spree.

Of course, I'd like to believe that most "incels" are mentally stable enough and have enough of a future to NOT go on killing sprees. Ultimately being in a relationship isn't an insta-key to happiness and no more depression, as I have seen in so many real life cases. People who get laid and have gfs are often living lives less enjoyable then theirs, however their obsession with their kissless virgin status clouds their vision and its more comforting and rewarding to see themselves as suffering victims as it takes the blame off them and outs it onto the "evil and wrong" modern day society.

That's the entire point you absolute retard, evidence exists now that didn't exist before because of the internet, and to assert that guys not getting laid is a new thing simply because you notice it now is complete dumbfukkery.

Busta is old enough to have been an adult before "everything changed", and I presume SmackBrah was, too; let's see what they have to say:Hmm, interesting, what older guys are saying is that it is harder now... because incelsmakeit harder. It isn't harder, it just seems harder when you spend your time consuming information online rather than going outside. Of course "Chad" existed before, but he was just a dude you knew, rather than some concept; before you knew how many "Chads" there were. Guess what? The prevalence of Chads hasn't changed.

I'm not going to go poring through the thread or forum for more first-hand accounts, but I also had our resident 57 year old repping me for "truth" in my posts in this thread.

Pretty much. Most of my friends in high school were ugly losers, and none of them left high high school a virgin. Why? It's not because girls had lower standards because they had less options. It's because those guys weren't weird awkward fuks who couldn't open their mouths in front of a girl.

Technology has definitely had an effect, but not exactly in the way that they think. There have always been fat ugly sloots who were used as the town bicycle by "better looking" men, although it probably has become more commonplace now. What happened is that a lot of these young guys spend so much time online and on their phones that they have trouble with basic human interaction.

If anything, the standard for getting laid now is lower than ever. The bar has been set so low that you can impress a girl simply by being able to string a sentence together and not being a pussy.Alcoholism used to be a major problem, which is why Prohibition was able to garner so much support and was actually passed. Even then, it was out of control because even poor people starting making it in their goddamn bathtubs. Heavy drinking and even what would now be considered functional alcoholism was considered perfectly socially acceptable until fairly recently.

It wasn't common, and it was often associated with criminality. As I said, smoking was far more common.

fist yourself

What do you mean by not common? If you're speaking specifically about Prohibition, of course alcohol consumption went down, because it was illegal and less readily available. Even then, considering that the sale and manufacture of alcohol was illegal, it still remained fairly common. Once you get out of the Prohibition years, your statement is more based on some imaginary past rather than any reality.

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Exactly. The problem is that these people have just been given a sense of security in their retardation, and they can all get together and share excuses and back each other up on their bullchit cope.

It's kinda funny, kinda sad how these people and their excuses are SO obvious to everyone else, but no matter how brazen they are, they're completely oblivious to how ridiculous and nonsensical they are because: 1. It's most convenient for them to blame society and everyone else and 2. They have a bunch of other idiots who don't leave their houses agreeing with them

So online dating and apps, women settling down later in life to have fun and focus on career, sexulaized culture, more options and thus higher standards for women etc has had absolutely no effect. It's all the incels fault? Even if you do everything normal but just dont have success it's all your fault.

whatever, you're ignoring obvious stuff I cant argue with you. I never said men not getting laid is totally the new, but the amount of men and the kind of men that can't get date has changed drastically. This is a fact, because of the impact of some of the factors I've mentioned over and over again. but go ahead and ignore it.