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post 1581925471 06-12-2019, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted By TBO1313
Why not just do TRT? Unless you are considering TRT to be celltech
I consider when you get on TRT to officially lose your natty card.
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Originally Posted By Ochosiete
Just curious, did you tell your doctor of any symptoms ?...

My last physical I asked for t-levels number and the doctor just said, "for what?".... After some push he said he'd asked for them , and when I came back to review my blood results he said they didn't do them...

I was pissed
I ask for them every time but yeah sometimes they can forget i think it happened to me once
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Originally Posted By eod8989
I ask for them every time but yeah sometimes they can forget i think it happened to me once
Yeah I plan on asking again next year... For some reason doctor was a bit reluctant, I tried saying I was just curious because I stopped making gains in the gym, he just stared at me
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Originally Posted By Ochosiete
Just curious, did you tell your doctor of any symptoms ?...

My last physical I asked for t-levels number and the doctor just said, "for what?".... After some push he said he'd asked for them , and when I came back to review my blood results he said they didn't do them...

I was pissed
Unless you report a problem, doc is gonna be happy. If he puts you on a treatment without a reason, he will be introducing side effects thus just doing you harm.

If you want him to do something about your low test, you gotta feel the sides of low test - fatigue, weak dong, foggy mind, lethargy, depression, etc.
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Originally Posted By samosajoe
I consider when you get on TRT to officially lose your natty card.
TRT isn't like the other substances and having levels over 9000. It just puts you back to being a normal person. Whether your natty or not after doing it is up for debate and I don't feel strongly about it either way
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post 1581926551 06-12-2019, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted By Ochosiete
Yeah I plan on asking again next year... For some reason doctor was a bit reluctant, I tried saying I was just curious because I stopped making gains in the gym, he just stared at me
tell your doctor that you have fatigue, low sex drive and are struggling to maintain erection and that you think you have low T.
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Originally Posted By Better
Unless you report a problem, doc is gonna be happy. If he puts you on a treatment without a reason, he will be introducing side effects thus just doing you harm.

If you want him to do something about your low test, you gotta feel the sides of low test - fatigue, weak dong, foggy mind, lethargy, depression, etc.
Well to be fair I wasn't reporting a problem, it was just a physical , I was curious of t-levels....
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Originally Posted By Ochosiete
Well to be fair I wasn't reporting a problem, it was just a physical , I was curious of t-levels....
Yeah, mine is phucking low too. Free T downright said "LOW" in bold lettering. Doc's message was that everything was "fine". JFL
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Docs do not give a **** about low T. It is on a scale of 300-1000, and the docs do not care about age. At 20 you can be at 301 and that is “still in the range”
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Originally Posted By TBO1313
TRT isn't like the other substances and having levels over 9000. It just puts you back to being a normal person. Whether your natty or not after doing it is up for debate and I don't feel strongly about it either way
it still gives you an edge over real nattys tho.

You will have the same test levels even if your diet, rest and lifting is not on point because your body is not producing it anymore.
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Originally Posted By Ochosiete
Just curious, did you tell your doctor of any symptoms ?...

My last physical I asked for t-levels number and the doctor just said, "for what?".... After some push he said he'd asked for them , and when I came back to review my blood results he said they didn't do them...

I was pissed
If you go to this doctor ever again, you are a fool. If someone is that careless about YOUR health, find someone new yesterday. I emailed my doctor a few months back, said hey, can you do some tests for this and that. He said no problem, put the request in, did the lab tests the next day and got the results a few days after.
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Originally Posted By Better
Yeah, mine is phucking low too. Free T downright said "LOW" in bold lettering. Doc's message was that everything was "fine". JFL
How low is yours?

I wouldn't be surprised if mine registered low because i was still on a psmf style diet for the last 4 months and was barely eating.
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Originally Posted By eod8989
How low is yours?

I wouldn't be surprised if mine registered low because i was still on a psmf style diet for the last 4 months and was barely eating.
What an interesting twist to the story...
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Originally Posted By eod8989
How low is yours?

I wouldn't be surprised if mine registered low because i was still on a psmf style diet for the last 4 months and was barely eating.
lol well that solves it.

You obviously aren't genetically low T, you're just depressed/dieting/etc. which is causing it to tank. Whatever you do though, don't take T
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Originally Posted By Better
Yeah, mine is phucking low too. Free T downright said "LOW" in bold lettering. Doc's message was that everything was "fine". JFL
Ya, big surprise there ^^^^^^. You and Vhagar could combine your T and still not hit appropriate levels
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OP’s test levels haven’t been the same since 2012.
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Originally Posted By umadbroski
it still gives you an edge over real nattys tho.

You will have the same test levels even if your diet, rest and lifting is not on point because your body is not producing it anymore.
That doesn't change much...and assuming your levels are fluctuating like crazy. It's not magic, especially at 100mg/week
Originally Posted By eod8989
How low is yours?

I wouldn't be surprised if mine registered low because i was still on a psmf style diet for the last 4 months and was barely eating.
Originally Posted By recedingjaw
lol well that solves it.

You obviously aren't genetically low T, you're just depressed/dieting/etc. which is causing it to tank. Whatever you do though, don't take T
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Ask for a referral to a urologist. Urologists are most often happy to acknowledge and treat testosterone issues in a safe manner that preserves fertility
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How do they check it, A swab? Are those tests reliable?
Also curious. Please respond.
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Does this give perspective to yourself? On they way you have been saying gains are so borderline slow when natty etc. And people calling you out for it
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Originally Posted By AcetylCoA
Ask for a referral to a urologist. Urologists are most often happy to acknowledge and treat testosterone issues in a safe manner that preserves fertility
Absolutely untrue. Just argued with one yesterday. I have seen many. 99% are clueless and less than helpful. Your PCM is still a better bet. Wellness and Anti-aging clinics are the most liberal if you don't want any pushback.
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Originally Posted By RICHSTRONG
Ya, big surprise there ^^^^^^. You and Vhagar could combine your T and still not hit appropriate levels
Can confirm. Having a good taste demands sacrifices.
Originally Posted By eod8989
How low is yours?

I wouldn't be surprised if mine registered low because i was still on a psmf style diet for the last 4 months and was barely eating.
Lowest it ever been is now at like 320 or something. Free T was like 80% of lowest cutoff value.
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Originally Posted By Better
Can confirm. Having a good taste demands sacrifices.



Lowest it ever been is now at like 320 or something. Free T was like 80% of lowest cutoff value.
How is your bonrars and sex drive? Are you depressed with low self esteem?
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Originally Posted By Better
Can confirm. Having a good taste demands sacrifices.



Lowest it ever been is now at like 320 or something. Free T was like 80% of lowest cutoff value.
I think mine is because I was on low calories for 4 months. Mine has never been below 430 until now.
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Originally Posted By LikeAMachine
Do not go on TRT unless you absolutely have to.
Why? SRS. Probably a combination of a ton arguments but what was your experience?
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Originally Posted By japzz
Why? SRS. Probably a combination of a ton arguments but what was your experience?
Life long commitment. Short/Long term sides have to be closely managed (and everyone is different). You can start with patches, creams, beads, but in the end injects are the endstate. You should be done with kids on this path otherwise it will ensure that.

Lastly 90% of the medical professional that can prescribe it don't know how to manage it...or just make up their beliefs.
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