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post 1600495831 03-22-2020, 10:22 PM
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The real vote is Monday morning at 9:45am.
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
Surely in a two party system, and an equally split vote, there is only one side to the story.
Surely this time.


Of course, if roles were reversed, we all know what the rhetoric would be...
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The Senate canceled recess to work at breakneck speed because people need help now.

Pelosi waltzes in after the House has been on a week long vacation and says they’re going to do their own thing and the Senate’s Monday urgency is arbitrary.
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post 1600512921 03-23-2020, 07:01 AM
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Democrats Block Senate Coronavirus Bill, Calling It A 'Corporate Bailout'
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...18n=true&ncid=

Senate Republicans’ corporate rescue looks more like a “slush fund,” say Democrats
https://qz.com/1823225/senate-republ...fund-dems-say/
post 1600512971 03-23-2020, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted By ltsOgre⏩
Trillion dollar+ bill lmao. Why so big. $1000 checks to EVERYONE would only cost 320 billion.
Because it's for corps as well?
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post 1600513021 03-23-2020, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted By Tamorlane⏩
Democrats Block Senate Coronavirus Bill, Calling It A 'Corporate Bailout'
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...18n=true&ncid=

Senate Republicans’ corporate rescue looks more like a “slush fund,” say Democrats
https://qz.com/1823225/senate-republ...fund-dems-say/
Of course it's a corporate bailout. When did anyone suggest it would be anything but?
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post 1600513151 03-23-2020, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted By leafs43⏩
Regular folks who generally don't follow politics will only see this as "Democrats blocked us from getting a relief check"


lmao if you think this was a good idea.
Agreed. I have yet to be convinced that simply mailing people a check will do anything but put us deeper into debt. It reeks of "doing chit, just to say you are doing chit."
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post 1600513191 03-23-2020, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted By gixxer0.6g⏩
Add to the list already a mile long that will bite them in the ass in 2020. I wouldn't be surprised if they lose california at this point.
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post 1600513241 03-23-2020, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted By Tamorlane⏩
Democrats Block Senate Coronavirus Bill, Calling It A 'Corporate Bailout'
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...18n=true&ncid=

Senate Republicans’ corporate rescue looks more like a “slush fund,” say Democrats
https://qz.com/1823225/senate-republ...fund-dems-say/
These companies are employers. If they go under before this virus is able to run it's course, what good will $1000 checks do to people out of work?
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post 1600513251 03-23-2020, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted By BFast55⏩
Agreed. I have yet to be convinced that simply mailing people a check will do anything but put us deeper into debt. It reeks of "doing chit, just to say you are doing chit."
"We don't want you going out in public and spreading this virus, but here's a bunch of money to go out in public and spend"...
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post 1600513401 03-23-2020, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted By chaunce54⏩
"We don't want you going out in public and spreading this virus, but here's a bunch of money to go out in public and spend"...
To be fair, it is meant for paying things like bills and mortgage. Though were da phuck do you have to live for a $1000 to cover a mortgage? Who owns that crackhouse?
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post 1600513511 03-23-2020, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted By BFast55⏩
To be fair, it is meant for paying things like bills and mortgage. Though were da phuck do you have to live for a $1000 to cover a mortgage? Who owns that crackhouse?
Isn't it supposed to be an "economic stimulus" package?
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post 1600513821 03-23-2020, 07:15 AM
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How is this different than 8 years of voting no against anything Obama tried to do? Partisan is partisan regardless of which side of the aisle. Republicans voted against the auto company bail outs even at the risk of 100's of thousands of people losing their jobs.
post 1600518181 03-23-2020, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted By BFast55⏩
To be fair, it is meant for paying things like bills and mortgage. Though were da phuck do you have to live for a $1000 to cover a mortgage? Who owns that crackhouse?
That's a nice 2k sq/ft brick ranch in a decent neighborhood in the midwest.
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post 1600519271 03-23-2020, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted By leafs43⏩
Regular folks who generally don't follow politics will only see this as "Democrats blocked us from getting a relief check"


lmao if you think this was a good idea.
Unfortunately I don't think this is necessarily true. You underestimate the power of the media's headlines. This will not be framed as 'dems block the relief bill'.
post 1600520771 03-23-2020, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted By BFast55⏩
These companies are employers.
It's a chicken/egg argument, but one exists as pieces of paper that are constantly coming and going, rising and falling, when one goes away another moves in to take it's place.

Congress can fuk off with their massive bills and business as usual though. Pass the stuff you agree on, like enhancing unemployment benefits, and then work on negotiating what you don't agree on.
post 1600522891 03-23-2020, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted By MuscleXtreme⏩
Trump specifically said no stock buy backs. Can you cite specifically where buy backs were to be allowed in the bill?
Can you show us were it says it's NOT allowed? Trump can say whatever he wants, doesn't mean it's in the bill.

It's not just stocks buybacks, the big sticking issue is employee protections. It has none. It's $500Billion in bailout money with NO STRINGS ATTACHED to the treasury dept to handout to large corporations. No payroll guarantee, no employee benefits guarantees, etc. They can dump their stocks, lay off employees, and increase bonus and profits to investors and shareholders, and when the market eventually turns around, buy back the stocks, etc.

That $500billion is FREE tax payer money BTW. That's our money we are handing them. Corporate socialism at it's finest.
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Originally Posted By BFast55⏩
To be fair, it is meant for paying things like bills and mortgage. Though were da phuck do you have to live for a $1000 to cover a mortgage? Who owns that crackhouse?
That's median income housing in a lot of places.
It really comes down to property taxes where you live.
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^^^https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep...ical-wish-list
“As Leader Schumer continues to hold up the desperately-needed relief package, the last-minute list of demands from Pelosi’s and Schumer’s ideological wish list are coming into focus,” the aide said.

These include new collective bargaining powers for unions, higher fuel emissions standards for airlines, and expanded wind and solar tax credits.

Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., confirmed this on Twitter Monday morning after the same information was tweeted by TownHall.com political editor and Fox News contributor Guy Benson.

"This report is correct. Pelosi & Schumer are willing to risk your life, your job, your retirement savings for a radical, left-wing wish list that has nothing to do with this virus," Cotton said. "Disgraceful."
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
It's a chicken/egg argument, but one exists as pieces of paper that are constantly coming and going, rising and falling, when one goes away another moves in to take it's place.

Congress can fuk off with their massive bills and business as usual though. Pass the stuff you agree on, like enhancing unemployment benefits, and then work on negotiating what you don't agree on.
No it's not. Companies and their owners assume 99% of the risk. They buy the equipment, they must comply with regulations (or risk fine), they must pay rent, they must pay all associated taxes, and they pay wages.
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Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget⏩
That's median income housing in a lot of places.
It really comes down to property taxes where you live.
In TX, we pay out the A$$ in property tax.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
One thing is not like the other
it really is. After acting like children for 8 years, the Republicans want the Democrats to be the adults in the room now.
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Originally Posted By LtGoose⏩
Democrats block Senate coronavirus bill

"Partisan battles in the U.S. Senate stopped a $1 trillion-plus coronavirus response bill from advancing on Sunday...

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell urged Democrats to stop their “obstruction,” saying it was delaying aid and hurting financial markets...

The bill includes financial aid for regular Americans, small businesses and critically affected industries, including airlines...

Democratic Senator Joe Manchin said that would not rush Democrats into a deal they don’t want.

“Markets always come back,” he said..."


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2190NO


I guess sticking it to Trump is more important than giving regular Americans aid
INB4 the (D) get everything they want.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
One thing is not like the other
Except that it is. Partisan politics regardless of the overall effect on the country. Same thing.
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Originally Posted By jimmyjabbar⏩
it really is. After acting like children for 8 years, the Republicans want the Democrats to be the adults in the room now.
You mean just "be adults" period.

Imagine trying to pass solar tax credits in a global pandemic relief bill. Pelosi can.
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Originally Posted By Tuksonrider⏩
Can you show us were it says it's NOT allowed? Trump can say whatever he wants, doesn't mean it's in the bill.

It's not just stocks buybacks, the big sticking issue is employee protections. It has none. It's $500Billion in bailout money with NO STRINGS ATTACHED to the treasury dept to handout to large corporations. No payroll guarantee, no employee benefits guarantees, etc. They can dump their stocks, lay off employees, and increase bonus and profits to investors and shareholders, and when the market eventually turns around, buy back the stocks, etc.

That $500billion is FREE tax payer money BTW. That's our money we are handing them. Corporate socialism at it's finest.
That’s not true. The free money would have been give as long as a companies provided protection, if they did not, it was to be treated as a long with interest....
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