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post 1601412131 04-01-2020, 10:10 PM
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Yes. And we should have from the beginning. Isolate the most vulnerable at home. That's it.
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post 1601412141 04-01-2020, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted By BloodFireDeath⏩
Literally the first post answers your question but of course nobody will address that. 'Infecting everyone'? "Experiment". LOL. Quarantine is meant to prevent huge numbers being infected at the same time so at least it can be handled at the hospitals. And it's doing exactly that.



Average IQ of miscers exposed after the conspiracy thread and threads like this. The equivalent of this group of Muslims in India who congregated in thousands at a mosque and believe the virus is a hoax spread by the right wing PM of India.

https://gulfnews.com/photos/news/pho...379740?slide=2

Hundreds infected, dozens dead from these, but not before spreading it all over their country.
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post 1601412151 04-01-2020, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted By Postmort3m⏩
Fascinating insight
Thanks bro.
post 1601412181 04-01-2020, 10:12 PM
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Confirmed infected currently represent about .0006% of the population

good call on it definitely failing
post 1601412251 04-01-2020, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted By Stephen109⏩
Relax, it's just a sore throat bro.




https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ctors-say.html
Those 748 are people that would have otherwise died from other items on the list.

The real data you are looking for is if it even increases the total deaths above average over the course of a year. It will hardly make a dent.
post 1601412361 04-01-2020, 10:14 PM
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Wash your ****ing hands.

You want to know how Singapore stopped their health care workers from getting the virus with nearly 100% efficacy and thus removed this vector from the equation? It wasn't masks or being kitted up in tyvec (entirely impractical for a full shift) -- it was washing their hands before and after each and every contact with a potentially infected person or thing. Every time. As soon as they enforced that even if you were chatting with another staffer in a hall without a mask on the infection rate among their health care workers went to a statistical zero.

Oh, want to know when the community transmission rate will start to drop in a given area? When all the docs, nurses and other medical workers have been infected and either resolved or died. They then are immune and their spreading of the virus into the community stops. That, by the way, is why despite the lockdowns, there is no effect for a couple of weeks instead of one viral generation time after the lockdown occurs -- the spreading continues until you run out of vulnerable health care workers who can spread it into the community.

THEN it stops.

And yes, that's exactly the pattern we're seeing. Community spread from ordinary social interaction isn't the largest component of the total in the vectors of transmission. The health care system workers are, which is why the anomalous pattern that we keep seeing in every single nation and area, where there is one case here and there in a given area and then suddenly the case count explodes upward. One or a few of those cases are go sideways, wind up in the hospital and then the entire staff gets it and spreads it back out in an exponential blast into the community.

PS: This same pattern was visible in Wuhan.
post 1601412401 04-01-2020, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
This, NYC cases are going through the roof and guess what, theyre already quarantined.

So we shut down the economy for fuking what again?
Have you heard of something called "lag time"?
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post 1601412511 04-01-2020, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted By MajorTendonitis⏩
Just watched a program and some scientists say this 6’ distancing is a joke . Virus can go as far as 27’ . So now their rethinking this and debating on everyone wearing masks period .
25% to 50% of nukkas are asymptomatic as well. Another reason why we are going to have to wear masks. Almost positive I had it mildly for the past 2 weeks. Spike a fever and had the shots for 2 days then the dryers cough I have ever had for 2 weeks. Better now. Doctors would send me for a test tho.
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post 1601412651 04-01-2020, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
This, NYC cases are going through the roof and guess what, theyre already quarantined.

So we shut down the economy for fuking what again?
I’m mostly trolling in this thread with the exception of that one post directed at ErnieMcCracken calling people murderers of the elderly who want looser restrictions.

I see him post that sh*t daily. No matter what side you fall on, wanting lockdown, not wanting lockdown, he’s the only real scumbag in this thread trying to paint people who don’t share his view as monsters.
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post 1601412781 04-01-2020, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
I’m mostly trolling in this thread with the exception of that one post directed at ErnieMcCracken calling people murderers of the elderly who want looser restrictions.

I see him post that sh*t daily. No matter what side you fall on, wanting lockdown, not wanting lockdown, he’s the only real scumbag in this thread trying to paint people who don’t share his view as monsters.
Maybe you realized how retarded you are.
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post 1601412791 04-01-2020, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted By jackamo2887⏩
The quarantine only looks like it is failing because you don't have the results of NOT quarantining to compare it to.
Lol yes we do. Spain & Italy
post 1601412831 04-01-2020, 10:22 PM
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There's two things that will stop this virus:
1. A vaccine
2. Herd immunity

The vaccine is a year away from us. Herd immunity is a year away from us if we stay quarantined.

Something's gotta give.
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post 1601413061 04-01-2020, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted By ltsOgre⏩
Maybe you realized how retarded you are.
I’ve been trolling all night

I got another thread asking if it’s the end of America’s empire.

And another also asking what date people plan to start rioting and looting

But yeah I just “suddenly realized I was retarded” in this one and did a 180 to confirm I’m trolling. I’m confirming I’m trolling only so everyone knows I’m dead serious about ErnieMcCraken being a piece of sh*t equating anyone not sharing his viewpoint as murderers of the elderly.

He’s been doing it for over a week. He’s an ass hole. Literally the same thing as all extreme leftists calling all Trump supporters rapists and racists.
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post 1601413111 04-01-2020, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
I’m mostly trolling in this thread with the exception of that one post directed at ErnieMcCracken calling people murderers of the elderly who want looser restrictions.

I see him post that sh*t daily. No matter what side you fall on, wanting lockdown, not wanting lockdown, he’s the only real scumbag in this thread trying to paint people who don’t share his view as monsters.
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post 1601413141 04-01-2020, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted By SaviorSelfJT⏩
There's two things that will stop this virus:
1. A vaccine
2. Herd immunity

The vaccine is a year away from us. Herd immunity is a year away from us if we stay quarantined.

Something's gotta give.
There is no vaccine for this and one is never likely to work, despite the screaming. We've heard that lie out of the NIH, CDC and medicine before. There are times it is truthful but coronaviruses are not one of those areas. There is no record of such a successful vaccine with permanent immunity for coronaviruses and despite "the flu shot" that fails an awful lot of the time too.
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if this **** really is airborne we are fukked. all you can do is take care of yourself and hope you only get mild symptoms.
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Originally Posted By SaviorSelfJT⏩
There's two things that will stop this virus:
1. A vaccine
2. Herd immunity

The vaccine is a year away from us. Herd immunity is a year away from us if we stay quarantined.

Something's gotta give.
South Korea already stopped this virus through testing alone. Man Trump is really lowering the bar here.
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post 1601413391 04-01-2020, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted By Trillical⏩
'Yall noticed China death toll went from like 3k to 6k today?

I know they been hiding their numbers but where did these new numbers come from?
Its 3312 still
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Lmao at china reporting 3k deaths. I bet its at a million
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Originally Posted By ltsOgre⏩
South Korea already stopped this virus through testing alone. Man Trump is really lowering the bar here.
Testing and masks. Japan didnt even do that much testing, but mainly masks.
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This intriguing infographic sums up the theory

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Originally Posted By jackamo2887⏩
The quarantine only looks like it is failing because you don't have the results of NOT quarantining to compare it to.
This

The "business as usual" (ie genocidal) approach would be no better for the economy - couple million dead, health system in tatters, any last vestige of the social contract pissed all over etc..... Lol if you think "the economy" will survive that.

Also the death rate etc is a lagging indicator of the lockdown measures, you don't really see how it's working until 3-4 weeks later
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
Another retard post in here missing the point.

Let’s spell this out for you since you’re too inept to actually read.

Here’s what I’m saying:

We quarantine: 100k ppl will need a bed when only 10k are available

We don’t quarantine: 100k ppl will need a bed when only 10k are available



Do you follow yet? Dumbass. This isn’t a thread about opening up and letting it get worse.

This is a thread about how shutting down hasn’t actually made it better.


Also please stop with this “are you willing to let your parents die” narrative.

I can play this game too. Are you willing to let your child go hungry for 10 years? Are you willing to let your brother/sister go homeless without a job to pay rent?

You’re just going to quietly pat yourself on the back for saving some 80 year olds while you make generations of the future live in suffering for decades?

Let me ask have you ever lived hungry or with without shelter?

Let me assure you there are worse things in this world than death. Take a trip to Africa once this all clears up and you won’t think twice about trying to shove your stupid “willing to let your parents die” narrative down everyone’s throats trying to make them feel like sh*t to get your point across

There is no feel good decision here so stop acting like you’re better than others with your opinion.

You’re literally the definition of scum trying to make others feel like sh*t.

Seriously I challenge you to live on the streets this next winter and scavenge for food from dumpsters and see if your attitude changes.

Until then, shut the f*ck up.

Negged and I’ve got you on negs for life because I keep seeing you post that same extremist comment of “Oh you want to open things up that must mean you’re ok with your parents dying”

No dumbass. Not one person who wants to open up is looking to get people executed. Just like people in favor of locking down aren’t hoping children go hungry or homeless from a wrecked economy.

So shove it up your ass already.


Edit:

And for the record I don’t care if you want to have a different opinion than me. In fact I welcome it and yeah I’m trolling to some extent here.

But this piece of sh*t I’m quoting continues to post this same garbage that anyone with an opposing opinion to his that wants fewer restrictions are all murderers of the elderly.

Sorry bro. None of us are in favor of executing the old. Stop pretending that’s what we want.

But hey if my side of the argument means I’m a murderer of the old then your side of the argument means you’re ok starving young children.

Or do you not see the parallel here? Probably not. You’re heads so far up your own ass no way you can see the negative consequences your decisions would have

I mean you’re saving the old. You’re a superhero. Nothing bad at all a result of lockdown. Right? Ok. Living in denial mother ****er.
Holy cripes, triggered lmao. Suffice to say, your "solution" to the problem would unwittingly cause 10x the economic damage of the current one. I don't know how else to spell it out for you.
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Originally Posted By NukYavlen⏩
Lmao at china reporting 3k deaths. I bet its at a million
If south korea had 100k deaths, that would be true. If you test and wear masks, very easy to control. Most of the rest of the world hates masks and loves saying yolo.
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Originally Posted By HomerJThompson⏩
Testing and masks. Japan didnt even do that much testing, but mainly masks.
They wear cheap surgical masks, not N95 masks. Also the virus still spread life wildfire in Wuhan until the lockdown, where they do wear masks.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
honestly, even full lockdown quarantine doesnt seem to be working in most places.. e.g. italy, spain, germany(i think)

by work i mean completely, or drastically, reduce the spread of the virus. obv you could say that without these measures it could have spread faster in those places, but i really question the efficacy of the measures in place when we are still seeing these rates of new cases.
FWIW overall R0 has been estimated to be running about 3.9. Post lock down Italy's trended to about 2.0.
Originally Posted By MajorTendonitis⏩
If it’s mutating like the common cold ,I’d say we’re fuked
The one report I saw about the various strains of the disease stated that it is very slowly mutating (much slower than influenza) probably because it is a very successful virus and isn't under pressure to mutate. Same article posited that the virus would likely become less deadly which sounds good, though I'm not sure if they just said that because that is how most viruses behave.
Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
Those 748 are people that would have otherwise died from other items on the list.

The real data you are looking for is if it even increases the total deaths above average over the course of a year. It will hardly make a dent.
Already posted a couple of places, but yes, the total deaths reported from Italy were more than the normal amount of deaths. Article is worth reading.



https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-...ed-11585767179
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too early for this thread imo.

give it a month. see what happens.
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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken⏩
Holy cripes, triggered lmao. Suffice to say, your "solution" to the problem would unwittingly cause 10x the economic damage of the current one. I don't know how else to spell it out for you.
Bro I’m trolling.

You on the other hand are deadly serious calling people murderers of the elderly who want the lockdown lifted.

You’ve posted the same sh*t argument over and over and over.

I don’t go around calling out people who want the lockdown as ok with human suffering and starvation.

That would be silly. Because unlike you I know people who want the lockdown aren’t necessarily ok with it leaving financial ruin.

Just like I know people who want to open up aren’t in favor of murdering the elderly.

So stop with your narrative for anyone who’s fearful of the economic implications

Those people aren’t murderers

The only person I want to actually harm at the moment is you. I would literally beat the sh*t out of you if this conversation was in person (but hey the beating would only make you suffer... not kill you... so all should be ok with that outcome)
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And yeah I’m triggered because you’re actually going around calling people murderers just because they don’t agree with you

****ing right I’m triggered. You are the definition of what’s wrong with the world
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