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04-23-2020, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...pdate.amp.htmlLink? (j/k there is no link for that because NYC hasn't been legitimately tested for antibodies in a useful way)
Would be least 0.5% and climbing, considering 0.1% of the total NY population has died to the disease so if only 1/5 of them have had it...at least 0.5% + people who currently have it but haven't diedyet+ the unknown number of undocumented cases
Would be least 0.5% and climbing, considering 0.1% of the total NY population has died to the disease so if only 1/5 of them have had it...at least 0.5% + people who currently have it but haven't diedyet+ the unknown number of undocumented cases
Stronk math skills bud.
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Originally Posted By dannyg1217⏩
That is another thing that's a little different in that the mortality is heavily heavily weighted by age so if you just compare death rates across the board yea it's worse but should we react the same way if something kills at a 5% rate across all ages or if it kills at a 15% rate above 80 and a 10% rate above 70 and down from there?What? 100 times deadlier my a55. We're barely realizing the real numbers and that's simply not the case, for the 80 plus or obese maybe.
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Originally Posted By rise21⏩
0.1% gross death rate for the state.If only 1 in 5 had it. Yeah. 0.5%+ is what that indicates.
And your link:
"RIGHT NOW Nearly 14 percent of 3,000 people in New York State who were tested for virus antibodies tested positive, Governor Cuomo said."
"The results come from a state program that randomly tested 3,000 supermarket customers across New York State. Nearly 14 percent of those tests came back positive, Mr. Cuomo said."
Oh and BTW, that article provides the exact same number I just did
"They would also mean that the fatality rate from the virus is relatively low — [color=red]about 0.5 percent, Mr. Cuomo said."[color]
(remember seasonal influenza is 0.1 and that's probably a high estimate that's based on multiplying estimates)
04-23-2020, 11:15 AM
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04-23-2020, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Read the update bud. And if 21% have antibodies that means they had the virus already. So the number of confirmed cases is going to massively increase, hence lowering the mortality rate.0.1% gross death rate for the state.
If only 1 in 5 had it. Yeah. 0.5%+ is what that indicates.
And your link:
"RIGHT NOW Nearly 14 percent of 3,000 people in New York State who were tested for virus antibodies tested positive, Governor Cuomo said."
"The results come from a state program that randomly tested 3,000 supermarket customers across New York State. Nearly 14 percent of those tests came back positive, Mr. Cuomo said."
Oh and BTW, that article provides the exact same number I just did
"They would also mean that the fatality rate from the virus is relatively low — [color=red]about 0.5 percent, Mr. Cuomo said."[color]
(remember seasonal influenza is 0.1 and that's probably a high estimate that's based on multiplying estimates)
If only 1 in 5 had it. Yeah. 0.5%+ is what that indicates.
And your link:
"RIGHT NOW Nearly 14 percent of 3,000 people in New York State who were tested for virus antibodies tested positive, Governor Cuomo said."
"The results come from a state program that randomly tested 3,000 supermarket customers across New York State. Nearly 14 percent of those tests came back positive, Mr. Cuomo said."
Oh and BTW, that article provides the exact same number I just did
"They would also mean that the fatality rate from the virus is relatively low — [color=red]about 0.5 percent, Mr. Cuomo said."[color]
(remember seasonal influenza is 0.1 and that's probably a high estimate that's based on multiplying estimates)
04-23-2020, 11:28 AM
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My brother and I around 1977:
Found out this guy was born on 4/22 also:
My brother and I around 1977:
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04-23-2020, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted By rise21⏩
Lowering it to 0.5-0.6% based on those numbers.Read the update bud. And if 21% have antibodies that means they had the virus already. So the number of confirmed cases is going to massively increase, hence lowering the mortality rate.
And yes I just read it and just quoted it and what do you know it, it being the article you are going by and you posted, perfectly agrees with what I had already said...before you posted it.
You going to argue against your own claims now? lol Or are you posting that article to say not to trust it?
04-23-2020, 11:32 AM
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I like the stay home orders, not because of how it is stopping the virus but more how rustled people are getting over it. Something about watching how weak people really are gets me off lol.
I on the other hand am essential service and im making more than ever right now. I have everything i need, i mean id like a hair cut but im not a weak bitch so ill just grow it out like a man.
I on the other hand am essential service and im making more than ever right now. I have everything i need, i mean id like a hair cut but im not a weak bitch so ill just grow it out like a man.
04-23-2020, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted By AlwaysFocus⏩
Agreed, because people getting $800 per week on unemployment + stimulus checks for not doing anything is a great way to keep the economy healthy.I like the stay home orders, not because of how it is stopping the virus but more how rustled people are getting over it. Something about watching how weak people really are gets me off lol.
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04-23-2020, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
21% of 8.3m is 1.74m. Meaning the 143000 confirmed cases in NYC is is closer to 1.75m. The number of deaths in NYC is 11,300.Lowering it to 0.5-0.6% based on those numbers.
And yes I just read it and just quoted it and what do you know it, it being the article you are going by and you posted, perfectly agrees with what I had already said...before you posted it.
You going to argue against your own claims now? lol Or are you posting that article to say not to trust it?
And yes I just read it and just quoted it and what do you know it, it being the article you are going by and you posted, perfectly agrees with what I had already said...before you posted it.
You going to argue against your own claims now? lol Or are you posting that article to say not to trust it?
So tell me what the actual mortality rate is. I’ll wait.
04-23-2020, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted By ThisIsMyAlias⏩
if the death rate for healthy young people with no prior conditions is 0.2%, why aren't we just locking up all the old and sick in their homes and not losing trillions of dollars and crippling our families for the next 100 years.Unlike its neighbors, Sweden did not impose a lockdown amid the coronavirus outbreak.
The strategy — aimed at building a broad-base of immunity while protecting at-risk groups like the elderly — has proved controversial.
But Sweden's chief epidemiologist has said "herd immunity" could be reached in Stockholm within weeks.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/04/22/...-in-weeks.html
So should we listen to some ******* scare tactic or real scientists with entire countries as test groups?
The strategy — aimed at building a broad-base of immunity while protecting at-risk groups like the elderly — has proved controversial.
But Sweden's chief epidemiologist has said "herd immunity" could be reached in Stockholm within weeks.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/04/22/...-in-weeks.html
So should we listen to some ******* scare tactic or real scientists with entire countries as test groups?
04-23-2020, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted By rise21⏩
Your article:21% of 8.3m is 1.74m. Meaning the 143000 confirmed cases in NYC is is closer to 1.75m. The number of deaths in NYC is 11,300.
So tell me what the actual mortality rate is. I’ll wait.
So tell me what the actual mortality rate is. I’ll wait.
"Nearly 14 percent of those tests came back positive, Mr. Cuomo said.
If those numbers translate to the true incidence of coronavirus, they would mean that more than 1.7 million people in New York City, and more than 2.6 million people statewide, have already been infected.
These numbers are far greater than the 250,000 confirmed cases of the virus itself that the state has recorded.
They would also mean that the fatality rate from the virus is relatively low — about 0.5 percent, Mr. Cuomo said."
Funny how your own source agrees with the number I already posted, prior to you providing the link.
04-23-2020, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Do the math yourself and tell me what you come up with. I laid the numbers out, it should be easy for you.Your article:
"Nearly 14 percent of those tests came back positive, Mr. Cuomo said.
If those numbers translate to the true incidence of coronavirus, they would mean that more than 1.7 million people in New York City, and more than 2.6 million people statewide, have already been infected.
These numbers are far greater than the 250,000 confirmed cases of the virus itself that the state has recorded.
They would also mean that the fatality rate from the virus is relatively low — about 0.5 percent, Mr. Cuomo said."
Funny how your own source agrees with the number I already posted, prior to you providing the link.
"Nearly 14 percent of those tests came back positive, Mr. Cuomo said.
If those numbers translate to the true incidence of coronavirus, they would mean that more than 1.7 million people in New York City, and more than 2.6 million people statewide, have already been infected.
These numbers are far greater than the 250,000 confirmed cases of the virus itself that the state has recorded.
They would also mean that the fatality rate from the virus is relatively low — about 0.5 percent, Mr. Cuomo said."
Funny how your own source agrees with the number I already posted, prior to you providing the link.
04-23-2020, 11:48 AM
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04-23-2020, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted By rise21⏩
I did the math myself and got 0.5% then you posted your preferred source which also said 0.5%.Do the math yourself and tell me what you come up with. I laid the numbers out, it should be easy for you.
Maybe you should read it before linking it next time, so you don't have to argue against yourself lol
Here is another similar article about the same testing
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ng-wide-spread
"In New York City, the hardest-hit area in the U.S., 21.2% of people tested positive for a blood marker showing that they had been infected at some point. "
"It also means that the fatality rate of the virus is likely lower than the figure that’s based only on confirmed cases and deaths. Officially, New York has reported 15,500 deaths. If 2.7 million people have been infected,that would put the fatality rate at around 0.6%."
Damn another source for the same data that says the same thing I did.
04-23-2020, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Mortality rate on confirmed cases in the very beginning was 3% ie. people who got it bad and had to go to hospital AND who were tested for the virus.IDK why this continues to be so controversial.
Seasonal flu has a mortality rate of 0.1 to 0.2.
So if COVID has a mortality rate of 1.0 to 2.0 that would be 100X higher.
From Worldometer:
IOW a mortality rate of 1.0 or 2.0 is relatively conservative.
Seasonal flu has a mortality rate of 0.1 to 0.2.
So if COVID has a mortality rate of 1.0 to 2.0 that would be 100X higher.
From Worldometer:
IOW a mortality rate of 1.0 or 2.0 is relatively conservative.
That leaves out the droves who catch it and feel nothing or those who get mild to moderate symptoms and even those who have quite severe symptoms but who still tough it out without going to hospital.
Why can't *******s who are always quoting the 3% mortality figure understand this?
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Originally Posted By rise21⏩
I got 0.64% CFR. I’m going to guess you forgot to multiply by 100.Do the math yourself and tell me what you come up with. I laid the numbers out, it should be easy for you.
They said she's gone too far this time
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04-23-2020, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted By TrinnieBuu⏩
lol I bet you're right, I forget that people probably don't get that. BRB 1/100 is 0.01% because 1/100 on a calculator is 0.01I got 0.64% CFR. I’m going to guess you forgot to multiply by 100.
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Originally Posted By Devils⏩
Because modern society is ruled by emotionsif the death rate for healthy young people with no prior conditions is 0.2%, why aren't we just locking up all the old and sick in their homes and not losing trillions of dollars and crippling our families for the next 100 years.
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Originally Posted By rise21⏩
Yup, trin is right.21% of 8.3m is 1.74m. Meaning the 143000 confirmed cases in NYC is is closer to 1.75m. The number of deaths in NYC is 11,300.
So tell me what the actual mortality rate is. I’ll wait.
So tell me what the actual mortality rate is. I’ll wait.
21% of 8.3m is 1.74.
11,300 / 1,740,000 = 0.649425%
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Originally Posted By rise21⏩
Oh 11,800 and 1.75 sorry I was using 11,300 and 1.74So 11800 is .5% of 1.75m? Got it.
11,800 / 1.75 million = 0.6742857%
I apologize. My 0.5% number was too low. It should be 0.67%
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
**** happens lollol I bet you're right, I forget that people probably don't get that. BRB 1/100 is 0.01% because 1/100 on a calculator is 0.01
I mean Katya miscalculated that 1-2% is 100x 0.1-0.2% too (10x...). I know it’s an error that she would gladly acknowledge though. That’s the difference.
They said she's gone too far this time
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100x more deadly. There's not enough facepalm gifs on the internet for that.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Damn. In my state outside exercise is allowed if not encouraged. As long as you stay away from other people.Bolded an interesting part.
Locally you get fined for doing that.
I guess the Swedes don't have their heads up their ***** about being outside.
Locally you get fined for doing that.
I guess the Swedes don't have their heads up their ***** about being outside.
UK allows it too, but just once a day.
But yea the data is basically showing me swedes are more active while Americans are drinking with friends at home during lockdown.
They said she's gone too far this time
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04-23-2020, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted By TrinnieBuu⏩
to be fair, the scientist says it’s 100x more deadly, watch the video in the op, around 2:30 mark**** happens lol
I mean Katya miscalculated that 1-2% is 100x 0.1-0.2% too (10x...). I know it’s an error that she would gladly acknowledge though. That’s the difference.
I mean Katya miscalculated that 1-2% is 100x 0.1-0.2% too (10x...). I know it’s an error that she would gladly acknowledge though. That’s the difference.
Guy says it’s basically like the flu, can expect to have up to 6 months of antibodies then you can get it again
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Ohhhh, got in the response before he deleted that gem.Oh 11,800 and 1.75 sorry I was using 11,300 and 1.74
11,800 / 1.75 million = 0.6742857%
I apologize. My 0.5% number was too low. It should be 0.67%
11,800 / 1.75 million = 0.6742857%
I apologize. My 0.5% number was too low. It should be 0.67%
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Originally Posted By TrinnieBuu⏩
Working on that Quarantine fifteenDamn. In my state outside exercise is allowed if not encouraged. As long as you stay away from other people.
UK allows it too, but just once a day.
But yea the data is basically showing me swedes are more active while Americans are drinking with friends at home during lockdown.
UK allows it too, but just once a day.
But yea the data is basically showing me swedes are more active while Americans are drinking with friends at home during lockdown.
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Just remember OP is also an old lady so it won't work for her.
For us young, strong healthy folk herd immunity is all we've got. We didn't evolve hiding from each other.
For us young, strong healthy folk herd immunity is all we've got. We didn't evolve hiding from each other.
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04-23-2020, 12:11 PM
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Its almost as if they hype stuff up to receive millions of dollars of funding to research it.100x more deadly. There's not enough facepalm gifs on the internet for that.
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