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post 1609776031 07-06-2020, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
- nobody irl cares that you lift
Girls do. It may not be everything, but they like muscle.

Don't they, sweet heart?
Originally Posted By ParsleyTea⏩
What surprised me when I began to lift to gain weight was that less working out meant more results for me. Rest is important for growth basically.
My first routine (by Jon Cole) only had 3 lifting days. Everything else was rest.
Originally Posted By ralphlaurenbrah⏩
It doesn’t matter what rep range you do or what exercises really, just that you go consistently for long periods of time, progress in the amount of weight lifted and lift with high intensity, and eat enough protein to feed your muscles.
For the most part, yes. But, people should vary their rep ranges as part of their routine. 405x1 <> 315x8.
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post 1609776571 07-06-2020, 09:53 AM
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when you realize your lack of muscles wasnt the reason you were not getting laid.

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Originally Posted By LtGoose⏩
Mind blown at the amount of mental gymnastics Miscrs ITT are doing to avoid cardio. You don't have to run a marathon, hop on that treadmill for 15 - 30 minutes FFS.
Agree.

"Your heart can only do so many repetitions before it breaks down."

Yeah, maybe you can overwork your heart just like you can overload your joints and tendons. But that is people doing longer distance running for multiple days a week. If your heart and lungs are in better condition then your heart doesn't have to beat as many times per minute so even if "you only get so many heartbeats" is true then being fit beats being sedentary.
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post 1609778251 07-06-2020, 10:14 AM
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post 1609778391 07-06-2020, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted By meanstringbean⏩
The thing about bulking is even if you get a little bit extra muscle, it isnt worth it to constantly be stuffing your face with food, to be ****ting 6x a day, to be making protein shakes morning/night, when your friends want to grab a drink or have a party to have to eat immediately before and maybe after all to feel bloated and out of breath as you try to pack on pounds.



Disagree 100% that no one cares irl that you lift. How I am treated by society at large is night and day. That said, the benefits you get for lifting mostly come in the first 1-2 years. When you're no long fat or rail thin, are able to fill out a shirt, have a nice chest and arms, etc. is what gets you the most attention
U wot m8? A good bulk is like 200-300 calories over maintenance. That's a fooking candy bar or a gas station sized bag of chips... You're over here like bulking automatically means 10k calories a day when it's by definition anything at all above maintenance...
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so it's all about confidence
Not all, but it is a hyuuuuuge factor. Let's take 2 guys that look absolutely identical other than the fact one is 5'8" and the other is 6'2." If the manmore is a shy beta that's scared of his own shadow, much less talking to an actual female, and the manlet is an outgoing, confident alpha, the manlet will win that battle 95/100 times. There are exceptions of course, but they don't make the rule.
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post 1609778681 07-06-2020, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted By 78novacaine⏩
Agree with all but the bold. Since turning 30 3 years ago I've gone from 170-190# @ similar BF levels, strength has gone up significantly across the board and I'm just as if not more athletic than 3 years ago.

And height cope is just that, cope. If you are losing out on girls it's not because of your height, it's because you lack confidence and use your height as an excuse. Some of the biggest slayers I've ever known have been manlets (IRL manlets, not just Misc standards) but the one thing they all had in common was an abundance of confidence.
Indians asking for bobs and vagene are the most confident fukers on the planet. Why aren't they slaying?
post 1609778781 07-06-2020, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted By bfdehewdbyywhn⏩
lifting is not as complex as most people think. that’s the main message
This. The whole "science based training" and stuff are completely stupid. Even if you do everything scientifically perfect and let's say it adds 10% benefit to your gains, that would be about 1/2-1 lb of muscle per year. That isn't much. It still isn't going to put you above your natty limit.

I'd also say 99.99% of Youtube and IG fitness people are on the sauce
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post 1609779101 07-06-2020, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted By mobp⏩
Indians asking for bobs and vagene are the most confident fukers on the planet. Why aren't they slaying?
See my reply to the other fella directly above your post.
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post 1609779171 07-06-2020, 10:25 AM
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post 1609779311 07-06-2020, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted By phikappa⏩
Girls do. It may not be everything, but they like muscle.

Don't they, sweet heart?
I like muscles!
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post 1609779471 07-06-2020, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted By 78novacaine⏩
U wot m8? A good bulk is like 200-300 calories over maintenance. That's a fooking candy bar or a gas station sized bag of chips... You're over here like bulking automatically means 10k calories a day when it's by definition anything at all above maintenance...



Not all, but it is a hyuuuuuge factor. Let's take 2 guys that look absolutely identical other than the fact one is 5'8" and the other is 6'2." If the manmore is a shy beta that's scared of his own shadow, much less talking to an actual female, and the manlet is an outgoing, confident alpha, the manlet will win that battle 95/100 times. There are exceptions of course, but they don't make the rule.
From what I posted earlier am a hard gainer/ectomorph/whatever BS terms. 200-300 cals above maintenance is basically lifting the same amount for months.


Even then, that’s still 3.5k-4K calories a day. Still a lot
post 1609779551 07-06-2020, 10:28 AM
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I'd say unrealistic expectations from fitness personalities (youtube, insta etc) - most of them are genetically elite and/or on something.

The average person is not going to look like a fitness model even after years of training.

That said - everyone on planet earth can become a better version of themselves through lifting/diet. Even though I'll never win a bodybuilding competition or be on the cover of Men's Health, I 100% know that I look way better than if I'd never lifted or trained.

Also agree on the cardio - been running consistently for a decade now and it has done more for my health and wellbeing than anything. RHR in the 30s, low blood pressure, and I smoked for 15 years.
post 1609780141 07-06-2020, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted By meanstringbean⏩
From what I posted earlier am a hard gainer/ectomorph/whatever BS terms. 200-300 cals above maintenance is basically lifting the same amount for months.


Even then, that’s still 3.5k-4K calories a day. Still a lot
250 calories above your actual maintenance will give you a half pound gain per week. Round up to 300 to allow for changes in TDEE, and 6 months later BOOM, you've gained 12#. Slow and steady gains. I went the dreamer bulk route for a couple years because I didn't mind the excess BF and it suited my goals at the time. Now I'm fiddinta jump on the lean gain train with nutrition/training a lot more dialed in.

That being said if you find it difficult to eat 3,500 calories a day you are either trying to eat WAY too clean for a bulk phase or you have the appetite of a 12 year old girl.
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post 1609780371 07-06-2020, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
Yeah that is why the nutrition forum is so lulzy. Endless attention to the most minute details. People writing novels about the tiniest variables. When all that effort makes maybe 1% difference overall.
I am convinced that the whole "science based training" is just a thing for fake natties to hide behind
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post 1609780441 07-06-2020, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted By 78novacaine⏩
250 calories above your actual maintenance will give you a half pound gain per week. Round up to 300 to allow for changes in TDEE, and 6 months later BOOM, you've gained 12#. Slow and steady gains. I went the dreamer bulk route for a couple years because I didn't mind the excess BF and it suited my goals at the time. Now I'm fiddinta jump on the lean gain train with nutrition/training a lot more dialed in.

That being said if you find it difficult to eat 3,500 calories a day you are either trying to eat WAY too clean for a bulk phase or you have the appetite of a 12 year old girl.
Haha how many times you on the toilet during these bulks? I literally **** 6x a week and always feel bloated from stuffing face



Definitely ate clean though. Just downed almond based protein shakes
post 1609780941 07-06-2020, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted By meanstringbean⏩
Haha how many times you on the toilet during these bulks? I literally **** 6x a week and always feel bloated from stuffing face



Definitely ate clean though. Just downed almond based protein shakes
My current maintenance cals are almost 3,500 and I chit 1×daily on average. Metamucil is your friend. If your protein intake was stupid high (ie: getting all your extra cals from protein) that could explain the discomfort. While cutting I kept protonz in the 200-250g range, but since I went up to maintenance I'm usually in the 180-200g range and fill the rest out with a fukkton of carbs.
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Originally Posted By solidus2k3⏩
why lift when it's all about the face, charisma, and social status?
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post 1609782661 07-06-2020, 11:13 AM
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These are not harsh truths. Problem is guys set false expectations for themselves; highly due to comparing themselves with other people. You workout, eat good, and that’s it.
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
At least you don’t skip height day.
at your age. you should not be worried about height on a man any more! the attention you get from high-quality men is dropping as each day ends
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
Found it

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...8743253&page=1

Bulked up 16 lbs apparently ayyyy

Was just lost in details weighing food counting macros tracking bodyfat % etc.

Cringe now looking back but I did learn from it. Glad I was able to let go of the OCD approach and am making more progress now with a relaxed approach lmao.
Where did Kimm put you around the time of your DEXA scan?
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Originally Posted By meanstringbean⏩
Bulking/Cutting is great to do once or twice as a beginner, but tbh once you hit your natural genetic limit it's waaaaay too much effort for little results.

I bulked from 180 to about 197, then cut. From there bulked to 210 and am now back to 195.

Almost all the lifting gains I got from 195 to 210 were lost when I went from 210 to 195, so yep basically spun wheels lol though Coronavirus closing gyms also was a big factor in this.



Please... tell me more about reaching your natural genetic limits LMAO
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Nothing wrong with your assertions for the most part except for the fact that they assume everyone is lifting for the same reasons.

When you say diet > lifting, that's highly dependent on the lifters reasons for lifting. If they're lifting with no end other than pure strength for example, well not so much.

When you assert that height and face trumps lifting, again you've made assumptions, which I'm guessing are that everyone lifts so that women will find them attractive maybe?

Anyway, if we assume that everyone who lifts is 16-30 and only lift for the opposite sex, then your assertions are pretty much spot on.

But there are a whole host of athletes (football, baseball, basketball, etc. and even powerlifting) who do not necessarily fit into the assumptions you've made.
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
Yeah I don’t remember. Her last estimate was early this year I think at about 21-22% iirc ? but not sure. I’m 118-120 lbs now.
Just curious, wondering if I should get a DEXA just for chits and giggles. She put me at 25% at 135 lbs with super potato pics. That was before I changed up my upper body workouts to recomp it. I've definitely made progress with it since then and I'm the same weight.
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
2020 market says differently
you must have felt the difference in the type of attention you get from now, to 20 years ago.

back when you were a young flower, a rose. men fell in love quickly with you and wanted to commit to you! they WANTED to lock you down.

now........... mention commitment to them once they have got inside your sugar walls and see them disappear *poof*. they no longer have the droopy love eyes for you. sure they'll bang. but any woman in 2020 can get dick

(i don't make the rules)
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