Anachron, I often see you calling people in threads like this out for being lazy, entitled whiners. In many of the threads the OPs bring up valid points about the difficulties of job-seeking nowadays (whether that be ridiculous qualifications and standards, ATS resume screening that boots a lot of decent candidates, or relatively low wages) and how that will impact younger generations going forward. You always dismiss these arguments as "whining" but I haven't seen you address them properly. Do you believe that the world today doesn't pose any difficulties to young people? For example, do you think that the astronomical rise in the cost of a college education is tenable or without consequence? What do you agree are problems that exist today that will impact young people going forward?

Huh? You can afford an apartment (bachelor pad), the newest tech gadgets, and a used car (more than 95% of the world who use public transportation) on 50k per year

Stop whining and comparing yourself to boomers who put in the work, you entitled millennial

No, none of that was brought up by OP, but OP isn't the only person you call a whiner. So will you answer my questions or will you continue to deflect and use emojis? Also, OP did make some valid points.

So, if you are doing so well for yourself, why did you make this thread? Why don't you try to encourage younger poor people to make the steps you did? Instead you are trying to coddle their victim mentality and give them something to cry about? It's hard to have any objective conversation because it's not making sense. You're doing so good, so what's the problem? You have this attitude that everyone older than you is just an idiot. If you were really about it, you would know that a lot of us who have made it, did so because we know what we are doing. STEM is pretty broad of a field honestly. Really sounds like you are in the field and think you are a lot better than you really are, not saying you are bad, but maybe not as good as you think, so you think people are holding out on you.

Yes, I think a lot of younger poorer people do need to work harder, because they aren't working hard at all. They are taking the easy roads that lead to nowhere. It seems you are telling them to blame the system. The system doesn't care and won't change for them, and people like you can't change it. It's like trying to change the laws of gravity. Drop the know it all attitude, that is one of the worse mentalities to ever have. I'm 42 years old, lots I still don't know about. I learn new things all of the time.

lol 3/4 of the world or some South-East Asian person working their arse off with no welfare safety net are going: "Umm please can we swap places?". lol @ the boomer hate, these are most of our parents. If you have sh*t parents then I feel sorry for you but how about turning it around so your children have something when you die or even while they are alive?

You realize the generation everyone sh*ts on went through world wars, and way more severe economic depressions. They couldn't just jump on the computer and look for work. They had to go outside, take flyers, fuking walk/ride, HAND write resumes, look at the newspaper etc. They had nearly ZERO connectivity everything was face-to-face. They had a basic telephone at best. I have family members who came from nothing, had to put up with all sorts of hardships and here we the most victimhood generation wanting MORE handouts while they go out and buy the latest iphone and sit on a computer worshipping E-celebrities.

No-one has a right to an easy high paying job. No-one has a right to be bailed out because they can't budget properly or swallow their pride and maybe work two sh*t jobs. Lifestyle wise and technologically we are in the most ridiculously easy time in human history. In America even the poverty line is considered living "Well" in many portions of the world.

All I see is more reasons for people to hate capitalism--not perfect but it's still the best--and opt in for some socialist global reform, because hey if my life is fuking sh*t I want everyone else to be at the same level.

If you live in countries like the US, Australia and think times a tough then you're naive. Just the very luxury of posting in this thread is one that most cannot share. Times may be "Tougher" relative to past years but they are not tough.

How about we go back to developing strong nuclear families again so leftism stops spawning more useless and whining generations with their hand-out lacking any personal responsibility. It's sad yes that many kids have non-supportive parents emotionally and financially but that can be changed.
There has to be some self-responsibility. College and it's overload of redundant degrees and C average grades to enter are a farce for non-STEM or decent degrees. You have people just accepting government school loans without thinking down the line, accumulating around 60-100k in debt then crying how everything is too expensive and how they should be bailed out. WHY DID YOU AGREE TO THAT CONTRACT THEN? Why didn't you research other career paths and options? A college degree only helps if it's even remotely application to what profession you are seeking.

Some round-a-bout degree that the next door dog has somehow entitles you to an awesome starting salary and longevity in one company until you retire? Why are people so anal about non-college paths? Too droned? You can get certificates that take 6months-1year, you could start a trade early and complete an apprenticeship before 20 and have a house down payment in your early 20s. You could have a padded resume by 21 and be light years ahead or you could have a 3 year bachelor in some useless degree.

Now I know what morons are thinking and just for my piece of mind, I did go to college and it was a fuking joke, just an extended highschool. I could keep going back and get more degrees but why? It won't help me in the slightest. I definitely see the need for college education if you have to train specific skills in areas such as medicine, law, engineering, but have you read through the course lists these days? How half these degrees made it through is beyond me. All you are doing is getting a glorified certificate of nearly zero value and digging yourself into debt that will take a decade or more to get over.

I support people going to college if it's worthwhile and applicable to their professional goals. I don't support people thinking college is the only answer. It clearly isn't. Maybe Universities should go back to only accepting people who get good grades again?

I didn't make the thread. I can't encourage people to do what I did because I breezed through school and university (parents paid for it) with decent grades, got a job with little difficulty and inherited a lot of money. I am 100% chitlord.

Truth is yes lots of young people should work harder, have a bad attitude and are preoccupied with silly things like their gender identity. But that clearly isn't the reason for everything in the OP and neither is it a solution. This issue is not about me at all, you are trying to make my position all about me because you make your position all about you.

"Oh I worked hard and made something of myself, I didn't have it given to me! Everyone else should do the same!"

There are obvious issues with the financial system, housing market etc. It is possible for both the system to change for the better, and for people to change their behaviours for the better. Can you admit that?

'Just suck it up, quit whining and become serfs' is not a message that will resonate with young people.Deflection and emojis it is.

I think everyone agrees that one should take responsibility, not go to college for bs degrees and work.

But that's not the point at all. The point is younger people are working for much less than previous generations at their age. Sure bull**** you don't need has gotten cheaper like tech but the real things you need in life have sky rocketed in price.

I guess this is the reality. It's harder today so you'll have to bust your ass harder. Although I will say that I am seeing a lot of handed down, inherited money being used in the luxury home industry. You have rich boomers buying multiple homes and giving their kids homes because they can. Money makes money right?

But anyways, most people are comfortable paying rent and ordering delivery each multiple times a week, spending their money and having nothing in savings. I really wonder what their life will be like in 10-15 year. These are the types of people that will live a decent life, food on the table, but nothing special. It's been said and said, in the US you have to work hard in order to achieve a prosperous life, it was like that years ago, and its like that today.

I’ve run several models on this very subject. They have all come to the same conclusion, if you are under 35 and are a male, it’s over for you.

And this is before we get into the physical traits. And then let’s not get the aleeboy started on the philosophical side of things.

Cheers

Your use of emojis is truly inspiring to us all

Hard to comprehend how 10s of millions more people all concentrated in the same areas as 50 years ago would drive up the price of homes and ability to distinguish yourself with luxury goods in a market where high earners only continue increasing in number and purchasing power (basic economics)

It’s adapt or be left behind really. That premise has remained static

I did read it you *******. Unlike you I can distill his message.

Anyway you're a ****ty troll that hasn't come up with even ONE argument. I'll ignore you know, shame on me that I gave you attention.

I'm not sure about that, I read somewhere there are more than enough houses to give everyone a roof, problem is many houses are left vacant for specultation purposes, artificially raising prices.

But of course immigration/more people/more demand drives up prices if supply can't follow.

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Sure you have to account for more rich Chinese than ever buying up real estate, that’s what happens when the rich put profits over domestic sovereignty first

Then the unfounded conspiracy that govt is buying up a large portion as well to funnel the middle class into renting/subsidized property for whatever purpose

kinda this and also lack of economic output from younger generations affects boomers too


also, as a kid whose parents lived under commies I am giga privileged compared to them, as they had limited freedoms srs

Trump was right trying to limit immigration. But the problems go deeper than just that

Half this thread is you bickering with anachron, just ignore him. Can't believe I wasted my time reading this sht

The 'you just have to work harder' angle is such myopic thinking.

Governments exist for one single reason only: to extract as much wealth from the population as is possible without inciting revolution. By accepting that life should become harder with each generation you allow those governments to push the threshold of wealth extraction further.

Look at what has happened since 2008, when governments the world over decided to try their luck and see if they could get away with doing it in front of all of us: Asset price boosting, super-low interest rates and the destruction of spending power.

We are all being played on a global scale and so many people don't just accept it (as I do, I won't pretend I'm some revolutionary) but actually make excuses for it!

Totally cuckery.

Great argument, consider my opinion changed.

We live in a society

Completely agree.

Even after posting economical facts, the only argument they have is "suck it up buttercup, you still have it better than Muganda in the Congo" No **** *******s, but the point is we want to improve our situations or atleast sustain our economical positions and not go backwards.

You don’t live in the same time period as your parents

Seems you just want to complain with this attitude.

You have certain avenues to success in your environment. The opportunity is there. Just because it’s different than previous generations doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

All generations have different markers to obtain success. It’s not about things being “fair”.

You could have grown up in the Great Depression and lost everything being in the streets starving.

You could have been born in India working in a shoe factory for 5 cents an hour.

You could have been born mentally challenged without the capacity to hold down anything more lucrative than the welcome greeter at Walmart


Yet you’re in here asking why you should have to change your behavior at all. That the system should mold to your behavior to grant success, rather than you mold your behavior to what it means to be successful in the system.

Do you not see the entitlement? Not trying to be mean, but the first thing that needs to change is your attitude if you ever want to make it.

So if we would live in slavery you would say "nothing wrong with the system, just work harder, we still have it better than X"

Just lol, how cucked can you be

I'm not speaking for who you quoted but my answer to this isn't that it's about entitlement at all. Like PenorBrahNoHomo I'm fine financially and I was lucky enough to have parents who pushed the value of investing on me.

Accepting that things can change also allows you to accept that things can either improve or degrade. There is no shame in pointing out that for many people in the West things are degrading. We are being robbed.

I want everyone to do well alongside me, not stick out slightly because I have my head above the water. And comparing ourselves to broken countries is not the way to go - we should be looking up, not down.

Pointing out issues is not complaining.

This is not about me, my situation, or my behaviour.

The idea that you could be born as anyone, or that people are somehow randomly interchangeable is odd, and false.

Lots of you seem to have a real problem viewing this at all objectively.

Yes many millennials are entitled and should change their behaviour somewhat, but that is not the whole answer to the problems in the OP.

That's the actual thing I am jealous of boomers for, srs. Instant gratification and life being a lot of noise kinda developed with modern living and tech.

I kinda feel (could be wrong) that life was a bit more straightforward and simple back in the boomer era. Having less choices could actually facilitate better mental health.

Comparisons/choosing partners were only within your surrounding tight-knit community, choices for careers were less, it was more stable because you don't know what the next advanced AI will disrupt etc.

You can be really sad in a mansion and be happy in a flat.

Home prices are getting worse and worse, inflation keeps happening, wages are stagnating, its not just future but our generation that will struggle or have less compared to our parents. My wifes grandparents have several dozen mill but there is so much infighting in their family and so many worthless inheritance leeches who never really worked that fighting for the money and jockeying within the family and gossip is like their job. So none of that is guaranteed not a dime to me, i have several other wealthy relatives, my uncle who was super smart but never held a real job married rich woman, left his son to do it abandoned him, has a mansion on coast of california. Two of my relatives lifelong government employees possibly cia. Wont lift a finger most likely will give all their money to charities. Havent reached out once during pandemic despite sitting on millions. So im not counting on anyones money and am grateful for a union job with good pay and benefits while it lasts, the last bastion of trying to make a normal life it seems. And honestly a lot of people i work with are only there by luck or connections. Im sure there are more honest, harder working, kinder people out there who just didnt get lucky one way or another, doing their best to make it by, but most opportunity sucks. Add state debt and unfunded liability to those charts too, federal as well, and yikes

Just to be clear, I don't hate boomers. But it is true that they are the generation that is largely responsible for the economic hardships that currently exist in the western world. Also, Baby Boomers are the children of the so-called 'Greatest Generation', which is the generation that fought in WWII. Boomers, in America at least, fought in Vietnam and didn't really face horrific economic depressions like their parents did until '08. It is also somewhat ironic that you describe people today as being a generation of victims when the nickname for the Baby Boomer generation was literally the 'Me Generation' because they were thought of as being overly narcissistic by their predecessors. This seems to be a recurring theme: (https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article...t-young-adults)

As for the difficulty of having to find a job 'manually'. I think there are both pros and cons. While the internet allows you to look for jobs more easily, it also gives employers a tremendous amount of leverage that they never had before. Perhaps that could explain why wages are a bit depressed nowadays. Now for every job you apply to, you're potentially competing with thousands of other applicants from all around the world. So here I don't know that it was necessarily harder to find jobs in those days.

I agree with most on this board that capitalism is a favorable system to socialism or communism. That should be a given, honestly. But, with that said, unbridled capitalism is also not sustainable, especially now in the era of increasingly powerful technology. Companies like Amazon and Google, if left unchecked, will literally out-compete the vast majority of small businesses out there and basically monopolize a massive segment of services that exist in the economy. That kind of concentration of power is not good for anybody. When people call for reform of capitalism, I think addressing issues like this is more along the lines of what they call for than radical reform. I think only a fringe population truly wants to see that happen.

I agree with the point about strong nuclear families. I think raising kids with strong values like discipline and hard work will see them prosper under almost any conditions.
Of course people have to be responsible and accountable for their actions. It's hard to truly be accountable and I think many of us struggle with that, at least sometimes. With that said, however, people are kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to obtaining higher education. A college degree is still a great way to get a higher income, and the fact that many jobs that don't intrinsically require a college education require a degree, isn't helping anyone. In my response to the first part of your message, I mentioned how we're living in an employer's world and how they can pick and choose between employees. Well, they want the most qualified people they can get for the lowest price, so they make having a degree a requirement and box out tons of otherwise capable candidates. This is part of the problem, as I see it, with the working world today. A lot of arbitrary hiring practices that make seeking employment difficult. Employers no longer want to invest in training, mentorships, apprenticeships, and the like. They seem to just want plug-and-play for the lowest possible cost.

I agree that non-college paths should be de-stigmatized and promoted. From what I've seen, some Euro countries like Germany and Switzerland (which both have robust economies) have a long history of using apprenticeships to train professionals (bankers, carpenters, etc.) As an example, the CEO of UBS does not have a degree and instead got his start through an apprenticeship. Why more countries don't adopt this system, I don't know.

Lastly, it's not really feasible to tell everyone to go into the trades. If everyone went to trade school, having a skill would eventually become redundant. I don't know what the ultimate solution is, but requiring a 4-year degree for a job that's mostly clerical and repetitive just doesn't make sense to me. As for useless degrees, I mean if you attend a college in the US and have to go through a bunch of gen eds and do well in them, you should be more than prepared for most jobs out there. Just because someone studied English or sociology, doesn't mean they don't have practical skills. Look at fields like management consulting, for example, they hire people with all manner of degrees.