There is no “Self”

02-14-2021, 08:27 PM

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02-14-2021, 08:28 PM

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02-14-2021, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted By Samraiwise⏩

If there is no "self" then 1st, 2nd and 3rd person pronouns should not be used.

But you are constantly using "YOU" and "WE."

I'm confused.....

(*English question)

It's funny you say this. Nietzsche actually blamed language and grammar for fallacies in the subject/object issue and in cause and effect. Language, identity, subjectivity, and goal based planning are all deeply intertwined.

Originally Posted By RagnarChadbrok⏩

All of you need to cut out the philosophical BS. You will gain nothing from thinking, analyzing, and abstracting all day like a weirdo. This kind of thing only leads to unhappiness. Go do something productive or something you enjoy

The existential issue hit me long a ton of bricks in early adolescence when I lost my religion and it never left. It wasn't really a choice.

Also it is important to note that there are some limiting factors to reducing everything to utility and self benefit.

02-14-2021, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted By DizzySmalls⏩

It's funny you say this. Nietzsche actually blamed language and grammar for fallacies in the subject/object issue and in cause and effect. Language, identity, subjectivity, and goal based planning are all deeply intertwined.

The existential issue hit me long a ton of bricks in early adolescence when I lost my religion and it never left. It wasn't really a choice.

I mean I understand. I decided I was agnostic at like 11 despite being born in to a good Christian family, was always secretly pretty existential and philosophically inclined even though none of my friends would have guessed. But I ultimately realized that once you understand enough about the world to know what your priorities, values, and views are, everything else is superfluous. And it is a choice. I chose to stop concerning myself with all that abstract bs, really is that simple. Find something you like to do and do that

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02-14-2021, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩

I think enlightenment/ego death etc meets science in the quantum field. Idk exactly how it works but something like on a quantum level there is no solid matter. There is only undetermined energy and space. It only transforms and determines into matter when an observer (consciousness) looks at it.

So without the observer (consciousness) nothing is real. And ultimately if you try to measure the observer and the determined matter separately they actually conflate into indistinguishable oneness.

That is based on my very rudimentary understanding, not sure of the scientific details but that is the general concept from what I understand.

Disclaimer once again: it’s best not to think about this unless you are extremely mentally stable with a rigid sense of self that will prevent enlightenment/ego death.

possibly. as i prefaced in my statement there are tons of things branching out of it (consciousness) and people have tried to link consciousness and quantum. but as far as i know they haven't done so; it's a very rudimentary field

i used to have a study that stated quantum particles decohere at the brains temperature, not sure i have it anymore.

this sounds like the abstract:

Based on a calculation of neural decoherence rates, we argue that the degrees of freedom of the human brain that relate to cognitive processes should be thought of as a classical rather than quantum system, i.e., that there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the current classical approach to neural network simulations. We find that the decoherence time scales ( approximately 10(-13)-10(-20) s) are typically much shorter than the relevant dynamical time scales ( approximately 10(-3)-10(-1) s), both for regular neuron firing and for kinklike polarization excitations in microtubules. This conclusion disagrees with suggestions by Penrose and others that the brain acts as a quantum computer, and that quantum coherence is related to consciousness in a fundamental way

it's worth nothing that "observe" in the sense that you're using it is very flimsy and debated. "observe" in science means interact with. quantum particles are extremely small and thus delicate. you have to create things like computers or other stations to record them because a human interacting with them will destroy their state

peep this:

Let me repeat: If you took 10 drops of water (not extra-big drops, just regular drops, I'm presuming) and counted the number of H2O molecules in those drops, you'd get a number equal to all the stars in the universe.

im not an expert in physics either

but electrons are massively smaller than that. no one has physically seen electrons, and quarks (quantum particle) are smaller than electrons

basically "observe" scientifically and "through the eye" can mean different things

02-14-2021, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted By RagnarChadbrok⏩

All of you need to cut out the philosophical BS. You will gain nothing from thinking, analyzing, and abstracting all day like a weirdo. This kind of thing only leads to unhappiness. Go do something productive or something you enjoy

This. Any philosophizing or abstractions should naturally arise from doing enjoyable & productive chit. Analyses are neither necessary nor are they particularly helpful beyond just expressing yourself.