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it seems like things were the best when she didnt know you had $ bro
how long were you together for?
could have sworn you had made a thread about this girl only a couple of months ago? i think she had told you to ensure to wear a condom if you were smashing another chick lol? maybe it was another miscer
how long were you together for?
could have sworn you had made a thread about this girl only a couple of months ago? i think she had told you to ensure to wear a condom if you were smashing another chick lol? maybe it was another miscer
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All good oliver brah srs. Happens to the best of men. plus you got out easy could be a lot worser (married her, got her preggo etc).
It also sounds like you need a trip to Miami or another vacation. I am hoping I can head to Medellin this summer srs. But my boy who I usually travel with just got in a relationship feels man.
It also sounds like you need a trip to Miami or another vacation. I am hoping I can head to Medellin this summer srs. But my boy who I usually travel with just got in a relationship feels man.
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Originally Posted By DrugsToGetBig⏩
Lol, yes. That is the same girl. She arrived back from the Mexico trip and she told me that if I fuk anybody that I should wear a condom so we can keep rawdogging.it seems like things were the best when she didnt know you had $ bro
how long were you together for?
could have sworn you had made a thread about this girl only a couple of months ago? i think she had told you to ensure to wear a condom if you were smashing another chick lol? maybe it was another miscer
how long were you together for?
could have sworn you had made a thread about this girl only a couple of months ago? i think she had told you to ensure to wear a condom if you were smashing another chick lol? maybe it was another miscer
Right after this, we were planning a trip and at the last minute she switched the location and told me I needed to pay 100%. This is likely right after she picked up a phone full of beta providers and figured she could start making these types of outrageous demands. I should have cut things off right at this point, but I was a little fuked up in the head from things she did at the end of the previous trip and wasn't prepared to bail.
So what I ended up doing was pulling a bunch of manipulative tests on her over the next few weeks until I had enough evidence that she was a crappy person who was using me, and I was mentally prepared to cut bait.
I met her right after NYE this year, so really not that long. We spent a total of like 30 days traveling together, and had another 10-14 planned before I cancelled this week.
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Have seen you post about her before. Seems like you blatantly ignored red flags.
Since you asked for it on p. 1, my advice would be to be more judgmental in the future and hold your partner to higher standards.
Sounds like you just coalesced with whatever for the poon. Whether she left things out to manipulate you or not, if leaving things
out bothers you, do/say something about it (e.g. don't commit, don't fund vacations, don't expect to gf a chick like that, etc.).
You also say you should just have a hard rule in the future of "don't disclose money," but I think you're simplifying your missteps.
Obvs don't roll up to a date with a bank statement, but also don't stick around with chicks who aren't loyal, who don't respect you,
who use you for money, who don't have life goals/solid enough careers.
Since you asked for it on p. 1, my advice would be to be more judgmental in the future and hold your partner to higher standards.
Sounds like you just coalesced with whatever for the poon. Whether she left things out to manipulate you or not, if leaving things
out bothers you, do/say something about it (e.g. don't commit, don't fund vacations, don't expect to gf a chick like that, etc.).
You also say you should just have a hard rule in the future of "don't disclose money," but I think you're simplifying your missteps.
Obvs don't roll up to a date with a bank statement, but also don't stick around with chicks who aren't loyal, who don't respect you,
who use you for money, who don't have life goals/solid enough careers.
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Originally Posted By BabyDingo⏩
Yeah, to be honest looking at pics of her she was like an 8/10 when I first met her but she gained like 15 pounds over the last 3 months and her looks became significantly worse. She's 30 and definitely hitting the wall, that's probably why she was aggressively trying to monkey branch once she realized I wasn't the one.wasn't this chick a coom dumpster approaching the walll anyway? good riddance.
04-08-2021, 06:18 PM
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Damn I hope you didn’t buy that bish jewelry she’s using your dumb azz up..
You sound like a fukin puzzy OP. I don’t care how ugly you are grow some balls and be a man. Move on to the next one.
BTW I only read like six lines out of the multiple paragraphs.
You sound like a fukin puzzy OP. I don’t care how ugly you are grow some balls and be a man. Move on to the next one.
BTW I only read like six lines out of the multiple paragraphs.
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
she was totally trying to sucker you broLol, yes. That is the same girl. She arrived back from the Mexico trip and she told me that if I fuk anybody that I should wear a condom so we can keep rawdogging.
Right after this, we were planning a trip and at the last minute she switched the location and told me I needed to pay 100%. This is likely right after she picked up a phone full of beta providers and figured she could start making these types of outrageous demands. I should have cut things off right at this point, but I was a little fuked up in the head from things she did at the end of the previous trip and wasn't prepared to bail.
So what I ended up doing was pulling a bunch of manipulative tests on her over the next few weeks until I had enough evidence that she was a crappy person who was using me, and I was mentally prepared to cut bait.
I met her right after NYE this year, so really not that long. We spent a total of like 30 days traveling together, and had another 10-14 planned before I cancelled this week.
Right after this, we were planning a trip and at the last minute she switched the location and told me I needed to pay 100%. This is likely right after she picked up a phone full of beta providers and figured she could start making these types of outrageous demands. I should have cut things off right at this point, but I was a little fuked up in the head from things she did at the end of the previous trip and wasn't prepared to bail.
So what I ended up doing was pulling a bunch of manipulative tests on her over the next few weeks until I had enough evidence that she was a crappy person who was using me, and I was mentally prepared to cut bait.
I met her right after NYE this year, so really not that long. We spent a total of like 30 days traveling together, and had another 10-14 planned before I cancelled this week.
some of these sloots are gross for real
at least you picked up on it
do you think it was simply because she found out you had $?
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Originally Posted By Mj-drewfan32⏩
Yeah, I'm actually going to Miami this month, but it's for a bachelor party and probably won't be the type of fun I'd be looking to have there.All good oliver brah srs. Happens to the best of men. plus you got out easy could be a lot worser (married her, got her preggo etc).
It also sounds like you need a trip to Miami or another vacation. I am hoping I can head to Medellin this summer srs. But my boy who I usually travel with just got in a relationship feels man.
It also sounds like you need a trip to Miami or another vacation. I am hoping I can head to Medellin this summer srs. But my boy who I usually travel with just got in a relationship feels man.
I've been to Medellin a handful of times, and I kinda imagine it would be a questionable place until the economic COVID funk goes away. It was fun in the past, but as a gringo you are kind of a sitting duck there. The girls aren't that special compared to other places. There's not too much to do there besides partying. I think Medellin is a better place for a Digital Nomad trying to get work done than for other things.
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Been here for almost 7 years and yet no pics and no cliffs
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Originally Posted By whogotmuhbeers⏩
Lol, no. She told me to buy her jewelry as a condition of being able to fly down and visit her, and I told her to fuk off. I'm not ugly(actually quite good looking after losing 20 pounds), she just caught me at the right time when I was solo traveling and overweight and sunk her hooks in.Damn I hope you didn’t buy that bish jewelry she’s using your dumb azz up..
You sound like a fukin puzzy OP. I don’t care how ugly you are grow some balls and be a man. Move on to the next one.
BTW I only read like six lines out of the multiple paragraphs.
You sound like a fukin puzzy OP. I don’t care how ugly you are grow some balls and be a man. Move on to the next one.
BTW I only read like six lines out of the multiple paragraphs.
I probably dodged a big bullet here, as I can't imagine the mental anguish a guy would go through if he marries a girl who acts like this.
This girl had been engaged twice in the past and both of them never made it to marriage(and I knew this a few days after first meeting her), so I was kinda waiting until the bad behavior showed up. Glad I pulled it out of her before I got in too deep.
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Originally Posted By ohiostate124⏩
There's cliffs in a previous post. For some reason when I post them into the OP it gives me some access denied chit.Been here for almost 7 years and yet no pics and no cliffs
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Originally Posted By legbroke⏩
Yeah, and maybe I was just being dumb as well. The first time we hung out she described herself as a "Champagne Socialist" and a "Life Enjoyer" who doesn't want to work. Sometime between there and the second trip I caught feels like an idiot, when I clearly should have kept her as a FWB.Have seen you post about her before. Seems like you blatantly ignored red flags.
Since you asked for it on p. 1, my advice would be to be more judgmental in the future and hold your partner to higher standards.
Sounds like you just coalesced with whatever for the poon. Whether she left things out to manipulate you or not, if leaving things
out bothers you, do/say something about it (e.g. don't commit, don't fund vacations, don't expect to gf a chick like that, etc.).
You also say you should just have a hard rule in the future of "don't disclose money," but I think you're simplifying your missteps.
Obvs don't roll up to a date with a bank statement, but also don't stick around with chicks who aren't loyal, who don't respect you,
who use you for money, who don't have life goals/solid enough careers.
Since you asked for it on p. 1, my advice would be to be more judgmental in the future and hold your partner to higher standards.
Sounds like you just coalesced with whatever for the poon. Whether she left things out to manipulate you or not, if leaving things
out bothers you, do/say something about it (e.g. don't commit, don't fund vacations, don't expect to gf a chick like that, etc.).
You also say you should just have a hard rule in the future of "don't disclose money," but I think you're simplifying your missteps.
Obvs don't roll up to a date with a bank statement, but also don't stick around with chicks who aren't loyal, who don't respect you,
who use you for money, who don't have life goals/solid enough careers.
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Originally Posted By DrugsToGetBig⏩
It's because I had the financial resources to expose her to certain high end lifestyles in Rio de Janiero and she started getting some ideas. Like in Brazil the dollar is crazy strong right now, and I took her to some of the nicest restaurants in her hometown and we could have an opulent rooftop dinner with a bottle of Dom champagne and steak and awesome sushi and everything, and the tab would only be like $125.she was totally trying to sucker you bro
some of these sloots are gross for real
at least you picked up on it
do you think it was simply because she found out you had $?
some of these sloots are gross for real
at least you picked up on it
do you think it was simply because she found out you had $?
Then we ended up going to some very nice resorts in Mexico where the average person was likely a millionaire(or at least had deep financial resources and was American) and she saw a potential once in a lifetime opportunity to get out of a possible middle class lifestyle in Sao Paulo at the age of 30 and network with a bunch of rich betas who were on vacation and really friendly.
I'm genuinely serious that she was like the perfect wife on our first trip. If I would have been able to keep her in her hometown and not expose he to bigger and better things, she might have never been spoiled like she is now.
There's a lot more social pressure in South America for girls to not act chitty like she was, but she had lived in Australia before and once we were around all gringos speaking English she likely started acting the same way she did when she lived in Australia as a single girl.
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
We've all been there. Holy chit, fuk her self description tho.Yeah, and maybe I was just being dumb as well. The first time we hung out she described herself as a "Champagne Socialist" and a "Life Enjoyer" who doesn't want to work. Sometime between there and the second trip I caught feels like an idiot, when I clearly should have kept her as a FWB.
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
Realistically was something that never had a high chance of success, but she was a girl I met while traveling in Rio de Janeiro and it would have been a really good story if it did work.
Spent two weeks together at the beginning and everything was great just traveling as friends/backpacker types, and then also traveled to Mexico few weeks later, and this was when things went off the rails. She's the type of girl who has been in a lot of relationships in the past, and ended up turning into a much different (and much worse) person when she viewed us as being in some type of relationship(and finding out I had money) than when traveling as friend where she didn't know my financial capabilities(likely as some type of defense mechanism to keep things from getting too close?). She would do odd things like getting all kinds of different guys Instagram while we were out(when these guys were clearly hitting on her), and she started wanting me to pay for everything without giving any type of real commitment in return. In contrast, the first couple weeks I spent with her were awesome, and she presented herself as like the perfect proper girl who would make a 10/10 girlfriend(but also liked to party and was super fun but respectful to be out with).
Was a terrible communicator, and although I don't believe she was actually fuking other guys or anything, she would tell stories about partying in all these sexual situations and obviously leave out many details or be vague about a lot of things which would mess with my head a lot. I couldn't tell if this was her being intentionally manipulative or what, but I've personally never been close with a girl who acted like this. We were actually supposed to travel again this week, but I could tell she kept trying to change things around to position the situation where I would be paying for her things. She kept saying she had her own money, but still wanted me to pay for things 100% after a while. Although she would say she loved me at the end, she didn't seem to have any interest in me unless it could result in her gaining some type of financial benefit. Basically if I wanted any type of love from her it came with a price.
Looking back, it almost seems like she follows a certain pattern and has done this a lot of times in order to use guys for a short amount of time while gradually turning into a crappier and crappier person. Yesterday, she had gone on a trip and I was planning to meet her there, and she told me I needed to stop and buy her some jewelry before leaving as a gift(because there was something I had done a couple days before that had upset her) and this is when I laughed and told her to fuk off. She quickly said I was no longer welcome to come visit her.
I'd like to know the end game with a girl like this, like if a guy doesn't have the balls to leave and just sticks around. Financial ruin?
Rule #1: Unless you are with a girl who has her own career and makes like $100k+ with a legit job, never ever talk about how much money you have or even take a girl to lavish places. Even if it feels good to spend cash on a person you like, money ruins relationships before they reach a certain point. This girl presented herself as a high class girl who had experienced a high class lifestyle in the past so I thought I could get away with it, but as soon as she found out the depth of my financial resources she started treating me as nothing more than a walking ATM machine and any semblance of a real relationship went out the window.
Live and learn, I really wanted to keep this girl around as a FWB or travel buddy for the future(and this is where I should have kept her to begin with and should have never tried an actual relationship), but the relationship was too toxic to keep in any fashion.
Spent two weeks together at the beginning and everything was great just traveling as friends/backpacker types, and then also traveled to Mexico few weeks later, and this was when things went off the rails. She's the type of girl who has been in a lot of relationships in the past, and ended up turning into a much different (and much worse) person when she viewed us as being in some type of relationship(and finding out I had money) than when traveling as friend where she didn't know my financial capabilities(likely as some type of defense mechanism to keep things from getting too close?). She would do odd things like getting all kinds of different guys Instagram while we were out(when these guys were clearly hitting on her), and she started wanting me to pay for everything without giving any type of real commitment in return. In contrast, the first couple weeks I spent with her were awesome, and she presented herself as like the perfect proper girl who would make a 10/10 girlfriend(but also liked to party and was super fun but respectful to be out with).
Was a terrible communicator, and although I don't believe she was actually fuking other guys or anything, she would tell stories about partying in all these sexual situations and obviously leave out many details or be vague about a lot of things which would mess with my head a lot. I couldn't tell if this was her being intentionally manipulative or what, but I've personally never been close with a girl who acted like this. We were actually supposed to travel again this week, but I could tell she kept trying to change things around to position the situation where I would be paying for her things. She kept saying she had her own money, but still wanted me to pay for things 100% after a while. Although she would say she loved me at the end, she didn't seem to have any interest in me unless it could result in her gaining some type of financial benefit. Basically if I wanted any type of love from her it came with a price.
Looking back, it almost seems like she follows a certain pattern and has done this a lot of times in order to use guys for a short amount of time while gradually turning into a crappier and crappier person. Yesterday, she had gone on a trip and I was planning to meet her there, and she told me I needed to stop and buy her some jewelry before leaving as a gift(because there was something I had done a couple days before that had upset her) and this is when I laughed and told her to fuk off. She quickly said I was no longer welcome to come visit her.
I'd like to know the end game with a girl like this, like if a guy doesn't have the balls to leave and just sticks around. Financial ruin?
Rule #1: Unless you are with a girl who has her own career and makes like $100k+ with a legit job, never ever talk about how much money you have or even take a girl to lavish places. Even if it feels good to spend cash on a person you like, money ruins relationships before they reach a certain point. This girl presented herself as a high class girl who had experienced a high class lifestyle in the past so I thought I could get away with it, but as soon as she found out the depth of my financial resources she started treating me as nothing more than a walking ATM machine and any semblance of a real relationship went out the window.
Live and learn, I really wanted to keep this girl around as a FWB or travel buddy for the future(and this is where I should have kept her to begin with and should have never tried an actual relationship), but the relationship was too toxic to keep in any fashion.
Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
I don't know how to tell you this...but you didn't break up with your girlfriend--you just stopped seeing your sugar baby. I honestly think you just didn't pick up on the obvious signs or hints she was putting down without actually calling your "relationship" what it is.Yep, I fuked her every day we were together except the first. Best sex of my life. Did all kinds of freaky things with her that I will likely never do again. She would have uncontrollable screaming orgasms every time.
It's good that I haven't actually seen her for a month, because this will make things much easier to get over. If I went on the trip with her this week and fuked her for another 10 days, I would be hooked on that pussy for a while longer.
It's good that I haven't actually seen her for a month, because this will make things much easier to get over. If I went on the trip with her this week and fuked her for another 10 days, I would be hooked on that pussy for a while longer.
Either way, she clearly doesn't see you as anything valuable beyond just a wallet and gifts. Time to just move on, nothing else to do.
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You sound like the typical dude who got played. Its obvious this girl was only using you for your wallet, every single thing you posted was a red flag. The fact that she had been in so many relationships and you thought you would be the chosen one that she would commit too.
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Originally Posted By whitepaper⏩
Oh I definitely realized it after the most recent trip we went on. But she wasn't putting out the obvious signs after the first trip. But they came out heavy after the second trip and just kinda glad I killed it before things went any longer. Basically she tried to turn this into a "Sugar Baby" situation and this is when I started manipulating her and eventually found out enough about her to cut her off. But the most recent trip we went on, she actually paid for like 40% of the hotel rooms so it wasn't like I was totally being used.I don't know how to tell you this...but you didn't break up with your girlfriend--you just stopped seeing your sugar baby. I honestly think you just didn't pick up on the obvious signs or hints she was putting down without actually calling your "relationship" what it is.
Either way, she clearly doesn't see you as anything valuable beyond just a wallet and gifts. Time to just move on, nothing else to do.
And learn to provide cliffs and pics. NEGGED
Either way, she clearly doesn't see you as anything valuable beyond just a wallet and gifts. Time to just move on, nothing else to do.
And learn to provide cliffs and pics. NEGGED
The good thing is that I have a long history of traveling and usually stay in cheap accommodations. And I eventually did a cost benefit analysis of how much I would have to spend traveling with her vs just traveling somewhere and getting a hooker. Although I'm not really a big hooker guy anymore, I could probably get a girl who acts more loyal for half the money if I just went the hooker route. And it would result in a lot less mental anguish and I'd have more fun while traveling as I really didn't enjoy most of the same things she did.
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Originally Posted By Merc009⏩
For sure, without a doubt I saw the red flags and knew about them at the time. But when a person you're traveling with starts acting crappy or changes personality, your choices are either to break away and turn it into a solo trip(which I have tons of experience solo traveling and enjoy doing, but it would be a huge letdown to start a trip with a girl and be fuking all the time in resorts and ending it by yourself at a hostel somewhere) or to suck it up and finish out the trip without conflict and make your changes after you get home.You sound like the typical dude who got played. Its obvious this girl was only using you for your wallet, every single thing you posted was a red flag. The fact that she had been in so many relationships and you thought you would be the chosen one that she would commit too.
Live live and learn
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I chose to put up with her chitty behavior for a few more days and get home. But when she started acting even worse, I manipulated the fuk out of her and eventually cut ties.
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
actually, its really satisfying to do this srs. a vengeance of sortsWhy would you manipulate her? And say it like that is a good thing?
Manipulation is not right. Once you find out that someone is manipulative, the appropriate response is to end the relationship, not to manipulate them back.
Manipulation is not right. Once you find out that someone is manipulative, the appropriate response is to end the relationship, not to manipulate them back.
obviously not forever, but short term.
you never really get that fuk you feeling out of your system by ending it amicably. its too mature
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
I didn't want to have to do it, but it's the only way I could get her to communicate certain things.Why would you manipulate her? And say it like that is a good thing?
Manipulation is not right. Once you find out that someone is manipulative, the appropriate response is to end the relationship, not to manipulate them back.
Manipulation is not right. Once you find out that someone is manipulative, the appropriate response is to end the relationship, not to manipulate them back.
After she started demanding that I pay for the most recent trip and changed the location from somewhere I wanted to go to somewhere she wanted to go, it was the only way I could figure out how she thinks. She left my head in an absolute mess after her actions on the most recent trip(although I was nothing but an awesome guy to her), so I wasn't too concerned with protecting her state of mind.
Me manipulating her was basically me saying, "Listen, your personality has changed and this isn't acceptable at all." She left my mind pretty fuked after the Mexico trip, and I actually should have ended it there but she was employing certain tactics to keep me on the hook then and my mind was fragile and I couldn't do it(being selectively distant when she didn't get what she wanted, etc). The manipulation allowed me to get her to communicate more about whether she actually liked me, and this is basically how I figured out that she didn't really give a fuk and was just using me. Which allowed me to finally start disliking her enough to break away and end things.
So basically I did end things as soon as she started being manipulative, but it took me a month to break through her own issues and defense mechanisms to the point where I could do it.
We are talking about a 30 year old girl who is really fun to party with, but has the relationship maturity of someone who is like 18(at least when things start to get a bit rocky, she otherwise seemed like a great catch). I don't have a ton of experience actually being in relationships either(and didn't have extremely high expectations here), but simple things like communicating properly to protect the other person's psyche or even a basic level of commitment if she's demanding me to pay don't seem like anything outrageous, and she didn't even pretend to give a chit. I was actually willing to put up with a lot of her chit, but she just needed to communicate and not leave me in the dark while also expecting me to pay for things.
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Originally Posted By smashedurgfx10⏩
Lol, yep this was basically my only shot of getting some type of revenge. I'm absolutely not the type of person to end things in a shouting match, or to be nothing but nice on the way out. But the fact that this girl is 30 years old and still believes she can get away with using and manipulating people for personal gain means she needs to experience some basic level of discomfort on the way out.actually, its really satisfying to do this srs. a vengeance of sorts
obviously not forever, but short term.
you never really get that fuk you feeling out of your system by ending it amicably. its too mature
obviously not forever, but short term.
you never really get that fuk you feeling out of your system by ending it amicably. its too mature
I'm not sure if she's mature enough to think about it, but I'm an awesome catch for a girl like her. Wealthy, good looking, only a few years older, very easygoing and not someone who is looking to control her actions once I know she is loyal. Similar hobbies, and we could likely have traveled the world full time in another couple years and had a stress free life. Instead, she chose to give into some short term impulse and start using me. Although I doubt it will happen, hopefully the manipulation causes her to look internally and think about what is happening where she can't even keep the perfect guy due to her chitty actions.
But in reality she's probably blaming it all on me, and I'm sure her friends are also telling her what an ******* I am.
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