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Thread: Stanford study: masks do not protect from COVID. actually worsens your health

post 1636637623 04-20-2021, 06:18 AM
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Jfl at how worked up maskers are in this thread.

You wouldn’t wear one of those ****ty masks working around asbestos, and asbestos is much much larger than a Covid virus. The distance between threads is 1000x larger than the Covid Virus.

Now think of something 1000x larger than you.
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
Your mouth and nose are not the same as an open wound - they have mucus membranes to create a protective barrier from germs. The rest of your body doesn't when it is opened up for surgery.
It was obviously a metaphor as we were talking about viruses. The "protective barriers" are literally the only entry points for the virus of topic, and does not protect
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Originally Posted By DSTEE⏩
It was obviously a metaphor as we were talking about viruses. The "protective barriers" are literally the only entry points for the virus
was it? cause you made the same stupid argument twice in this thread
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Originally Posted By navid93⏩
I don’t see any data on filtration rates, it doesn’t address the primary purpose of masks is to reduce covid droplet spread into the air, etc.
Except they don't...
Originally Posted By WeDoPullups⏩
1) surgeons don’t operate on people with respiratory viruses
2) surgeons don’t go to work sick
3) masks and goggles are worn to protect the surgeon’s face and eyes from inadvertent bodily spray
4) your typical masktard doesn’t utilize proper donning and decon techniques before and after buying their processed junk at Ralph’s, as a surgeon does in a STERILE operating room.
5) protecting an open wound from spit is not the same as trying to stop a microscopic virus.
Absolute ethering.
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It’s not a “Stanford study”, the author has a doctorate from the University of Portugal and works for Veteran Affairs in Palo Alto and the paper is published in a journal specific to far-out Medical Hypotheses. All of this has already been addressed and debunked where appropriate

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...cks-evidence-/
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Originally Posted By drLihp⏩
guess surgeons shouldnt wear masks during surgery
You apparently have no ****ing idea what surgical masks are for.
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
was it? cause you made the same stupid argument twice in this thread
I assumed the quotation marks were enough to signal it, same way I used quotation marks on "protective barrier" to signal irony


Originally Posted By JoshSP1985⏩
You apparently have no ****ing idea what surgical masks are for.
.. to stop infections? Lmfao
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Originally Posted By wolfofmarkcity⏩
ITT OP considers a "medical hypothesis" submission by a rando as a Stanford approved fact, and a bunch of other low iq miscers don't bother to look into it and clap in agreement.

You guys are so clueless I don't know if I should laugh or cringe.
This

What OP posted is not a study at all just a hypothesis catered towards people with confirmation bias
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At this point you do you, wear it or don't but I found these 2 lines interesting.

1.The article was written by an exercise physiologist and was published by Medical Hypotheses, a journal that says its purpose is to publish "interesting theoretical papers."

2.We tried to reach Vainshelboim by phone and email and did not receive a reply.

And I observed it was published in October of 2020, we know a great deal more since then.
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Originally Posted By turdburglar9021⏩
This

What OP posted is not a study at all just a hypothesis catered towards people with confirmation bias
Maybe you can take the manufacturers word for it then.

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Originally Posted By Bracket199⏩
Asians seem to wear it all the time - sick or healthy (mostly sick) - to help reduce the spread of any illness, and their countries turned out fined (pre-COVID).

Seemed lockdowns worked for many other countries, and they are back to normal. The anti-mask, pro-rally people seem to argue hard against it, and then complain when things don't work.
Which countries are those?
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Originally Posted By Sinan09400⏩
I always expose my nose.Only fully cover if there are cops around.
Location Turkey (or NY I suppose) lmao
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although it is just a hypothesis and summarizing some available evidence, doesn't mean he doesn't bring up valid points and that there are other studies that point to mask mandates not being useful at all.

CDC has continually changed its stance on masks, funny how people cope about "we know more now" as if to override the decades of research on the subject.

imagine thinking a used condom over your mouth is in any way effective. enjoy your society of masks where obese karens scream at you for not caring about their health lmao.
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I'm not convinced that masks don't work. It's the people that fail to wear masks properly
brb just gonna put it over my chin
brb wearing same mask for 2 weeks
brb touching the inside and outside of the mask every 5 min at gym after touching all the surfaces

Some decent and valid points in the article, but the 'effects' seem as if they Googled symptoms for something and just put everything in there.
brb have Patellar tendinitis because i wore a mask to gym
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Originally Posted By Jax05⏩
but the 'effects' seem as if they Googled symptoms for something and just put everything in there.
brb have Patellar tendinitis because i wore a mask to gym
yup, feels like a WebMD diagnosis
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People just want to read what confirms their biases.
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Originally Posted By drLihp⏩
guess surgeons shouldnt wear masks during surgery
Surgeons wear surgical masks to prevent themselves from infecting the patient they're operating on, mainly since patient's internal orangs are completely exposed. Skin is the biggest organ of our body and first line of defense for infections. Once you have your skin cut opened, you're exposed to all sorts of infections.

Did you even read the study?
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Originally Posted By FChumChum⏩
People just want to read what confirms their biases.
"A meta-analysis among health care workers found that compared to no masks, surgical mask and N95 respirators were not effective against transmission of viral infections or influenza-like illness based on six RCTs [28]. Using separate analysis of 23 observational studies, this meta-analysis found no protective effect of medical mask or N95 respirators against SARS virus [28]. A recent systematic review of 39 studies including 33,867 participants in community settings (self-report illness), found no difference between N95 respirators versus surgical masks and surgical mask versus no masks in the risk for developing influenza or influenza-like illness, suggesting their ineffectiveness of blocking viral transmissions in community settings [29]."

Not sure how this statement can be biased... Maybe you should read the entire article.
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Originally Posted By wolfofmarkcity⏩
What do randos say about countries like japan that have multiple times the population density yet a fraction of the cases thanks to nearly 100% mask adoption?
These populations are not obese with multiple obesity related co-morbidities like 95% of people in the US who have died of covid.
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Originally Posted By navid93⏩
The population size isn’t the issue.

I’m saying if you want to know how much one variable, like masks matter, you have to think about all other variables being held constant.

If everything about Texas was the same, would people wearing more masks reduce the covid rate even more or less?

Is Texas covid rate going down at this rate BECAUSE of the mask mandate being lifted or despite of it?
Muh unconditional empiricism.

Guess what boyo, the tight standards in which they conduct alot of these pro-mask, pro-lockdown studies make them completely impractical for real world application. And this is an issue of research in many different fields, dieting, weight training and fitness being big ones.

Regarding the masks, they cannot account for the wide array of confounds like the various mask media or proper use. The latter including everything from how the mask is worn, to how it is removed/disposed of and how long it's used for. In fact many of these studies will indicate they instruct the subjects on how to properly fit the mask. This level of detail will NEVER BE REACHED in the general population.
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
Muh unconditional empiricism.

Guess what boyo, the tight standards in which they conduct alot of these pro-mask, pro-lockdown studies make them completely impractical for real world application. And this is an issue of research in many different fields, dieting, weight training and fitness being big ones.

Regarding the masks, they cannot account for the wide array of confounds like the various mask media or proper use. The latter including everything from how the mask is worn, to how it is removed/disposed of and how long it's used for. In fact many of these studies will indicate they instruct the subjects on how to properly fit the mask. This level of detail will NEVER BE REACHED in the general population.
this

huge difference between what you can control in a lab-setting versus the number of variables you can't possibly control in an ecological setting

also the whole "well doctors wear masks " argument is stupid for a number of reasons.
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So if you agree with the link, then describe the situations or settings in which a mask SHOULD BE WORN?
We can talk all day about what they don't do; now let's discuss when they should be used?
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
this

huge difference between what you can control in a lab-setting versus the number of variables you can't possibly control in an ecological setting

also the whole "well doctors wear masks " argument is stupid for a number of reasons.
Exactly. The practice should have stayed where the fuk it belonged and where it's best exectued: in the health care setting.

Btw, can't wait for the studies about the impact of widespread mask use on environmental waste and energy consumption. Half the public venues in California are littered with the fukn things.
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Originally Posted By davik⏩
maybe its just the psychological effect they were after
control through fear has been very effective. No one is human anymore, you cant see their faces, you dont care about them they dont care about you, now you are all alone, just like the puppeteers want.
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
Muh unconditional empiricism.

Guess what boyo, the tight standards in which they conduct alot of these pro-mask, pro-lockdown studies make them completely impractical for real world application. And this is an issue of research in many different fields, dieting, weight training and fitness being big ones.

Regarding the masks, they cannot account for the wide array of confounds like the various mask media or proper use. The latter including everything from how the mask is worn, to how it is removed/disposed of and how long it's used for. In fact many of these studies will indicate they instruct the subjects on how to properly fit the mask. This level of detail will NEVER BE REACHED in the general population.
I never said a study like that would be possible.

I’m saying that would be the experts response to his question “what about Texas”

Saying masks don’t work because Texas numbers are going down is just stupid.
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it's a medical "hypothesis" NOT a study. Learn the difference if ur gonna play misc scientist.
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brb always pop my nose out at any chance I get while in places that require them. break the rules without getting into too much trouble



I just find it hilarious that 2 years ago nobody wore a mask anywhere and risked their lives with all the viruses/diseases flying around. LMFAO BUNCH OF CLOWN WORLD CUCK *******S
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Originally Posted By navid93⏩
I never said a study like that would be possible.

I’m saying that would be the experts response to his question “what about Texas”

Saying masks don’t work because Texas numbers are going down is just stupid.
Well there's the disclaimers written on the packages from the manufacturers themselves.
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