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» Why should anyone be allowed to have more than $50m dollars?
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post 1637131703 04-26-2021, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted By 58220
there comes a point in time when humanity needs to step back and say, we've done well, food is plentiful. technology is great, civilizations are thriving, it's time to stop progressing and just plateau which means ******* billionaires are pass their expiry date and net wealth should be capped at 5million for everyone, btw it's funny how the most die hard capitalists are always uglycels, capitalism or wealth hoarding is their equalizer to the chad problem, it's pointless trying to reason with these motherfukers, look at what all the billionaires look like, not a single chad was seen that day
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post 1637132573 04-26-2021, 11:45 AM
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I'd be down for a death tax of 100% over $50m per child with that increases 1:1 with inflation. When Jeff Bezos dies his children get $50m worth and the rest is a controlled way via SEC rules over a period of time with all proceeds going to the govt. Forces billionaires to have personal philanthropic arms of their family office to ensure the govt doesn't waste their money after death.

Honestly who needs more than $50m of todays spending power passed onto them? Trust fund kids are chit anyways.
post 1637133853 04-26-2021, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted By HalfDragon
I'd be down for a death tax of 100% over $50m per child with that increases 1:1 with inflation. When Jeff Bezos dies his children get $50m worth and the rest is a controlled way via SEC rules over a period of time with all proceeds going to the govt. Forces billionaires to have personal philanthropic arms of their family office to ensure the govt doesn't waste their money after death.

Honestly who needs more than $50m of todays spending power passed onto them? Trust fund kids are chit anyways.
Where I live, there's a TON of old money that gets passed onto the next generations. Really divides the haves and have nots here. Plenty of kids with new cars and homes that most people take a lifetime to obtain. I personally don't get jealous cuz it provides me with drive.

One thing I really like about a large death tax...small companies might actually pay their employees better wages since they can't take that money with them. But there's always work arounds with any tax, and they typically don't work. The well-off people are there because they are financially smart and there's always ways around it.

I'm not sure the best way to go about this. I'd hate to see money leave a local area too. The local govt does a lot for local businesses and is quite favorable, so I just think that money should at least stay in the local area if some sort of tax or death tax ever comes about. Each situation is different as well.

Our area has a few billionaires and some have been quite generous by giving money to uni's and hospitals, but it doesn't do a whole lot for the average person. Most of those entities would be just fine without the money and find other means to get it. What bothers me is how many companies they own where people aren't paid relatively well, the billionaires reap the profits and do what they see fit with it. Most people that are pro-capitalism see that as fair, and I do too to a degree. I just don't see why people worship these local billionaires when so many of their employees barely make it financially. The employees are paid a fair market wage, and that's all. And the only reason they buy these companies is to make more money.

It's not like their businesses are changing the world or making the community a better place other than offering jobs. Props to them for creating so many jobs, but that's where my praise sort of ends.
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post 1637134763 04-26-2021, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron
I agree, there should be a death tax of 100% of anything over $1000.

See how dumb any arbitrary limit is?

Hey, let's just move the posts a bit farther...

You don't get to keep anything over the arbitrary $1000 past a year - that way we make sure everything ends up back in the community.

The ideas I hear on the misc literally border on the insane... Border? I think I am being nice.
Is it really any different from income tax brackets or covid payments? I'm pro flat tax btw.
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post 1637135043 04-26-2021, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted By katya422
Net wealth isn't exactly what's messing us over. It contributes by giving a small group of people an overly large amount of political power though.
Crony capitalism.
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Yes. The role of governmentshouldbe to act as the referee maintaining a state of play that is advantageous to the largest possible amount of its citizenry and therefore to the economic stability and health of the nation.
The government has not done chit in maintaining fair play ever. Most monopolies that are broken up are only created thanks to big government encouraging them in the first place. Unions are more worthless than welfare leeches and evil.
Originally Posted By katya422
False. If the odds were that good [and the game wasn't rigged] we would have much fewer poor people. Absolutely a certain number of people wreck themselves through poor decisions.
I don't think you realize how retarded you have to be to become impoverished. I can work a minimum wage (at the federal level) job 40 hours a week for 50 weeks out of the year and still be above the poverty line by a comfortable couple grand. "Poor" is a different discussion.
Originally Posted By katya422
I don't know exactly what the natural rate of "broke" is, but I think 40% of workers being broke is too much. Maybe 10% to 20% of workers being unable to afford decent housing wouldn't be a big deal since you kind of expect people to struggle when they are young students and a certain number of people may not be able to produce enough work [for whatever reason] to make a good living.

Based on about 40% of people not being able to qualify to rent an apartment in most areas.

If work doesn't pay enough to have a decent life then it seems plain that more people will check out, by choice or by necessity. And we have that many fewer people able to purchase significant goods and services and pay taxes [sales tax, property tax, gas tax, etc.].

Wages that are too low put us into a situation of ballooning debt as government taxes are collected mostly on income that is earned as wages. Government has less money coming in + more people in need of government support. And then the increasing debt devalues the currency.

When you say "I want to vote for the candidate that will lower taxes [without cutting spending]." you are voting for your US$ to have less purchasing power.
All of this garbage is because we have too much government. End the fed. End all taxes but sales. End most spending programs. End 99% of regulation.
Originally Posted By katya422
And US over spending doesn't have too much to do with welfare programs [aka social spending].

Compared to other countries our most out-sized expenditure is our military.
False. We have too much damn spending with social programs.

Our military is the welfare program for NATO. All western countries are leeches who do not want to invest in a big military. It is time we went isolationist and trimmed defense spending or started asking them to pay their fair share.

Originally Posted By katya422
What works better in the US?

Prior to Reagan we had higher wages, higher taxes on upper level earners, and some actual regulation of monopolies and cartels. US debt levels had been dropping.
False. The 70s was one of the worst periods in recent history thanks to stagflation. Higher taxes did not do anything because there were so many tax credits and deductions.
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post 1637143843 04-26-2021, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted By BulkingIsHard
Crony capitalism.
Agreed.
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The government has not done chit in maintaining fair play ever. Most monopolies that are broken up are only created thanks to big government encouraging them in the first place. Unions are more worthless than welfare leeches and evil.
Well I do remember some monopolies at least being broken up in the past, though it may be that the government did encourage them.

I was so angry when the "fix" for our banks was to make them bigger instead of breaking them up into smaller regional banks. So they went from "too big to fail" to "too bigger to fail". Should have broken them each up into 4 or 5 chunks to put us back in a state of actual market competition and so taxpayers aren't on the hook to save them when their greed clouds their judgement to a fatal extent.

Unions can go either way. They can become corrupt, same as any hierarchy involving humans [governments, organized religions, universities, etc.]. But like those other institutions unions can do some good if they properly function as leverage for workers to claim better working conditions or compensation.
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I don't think you realize how retarded you have to be to become impoverished. I can work a minimum wage (at the federal level) job 40 hours a week for 50 weeks out of the year and still be above the poverty line by a comfortable couple grand. "Poor" is a different discussion.
Wasn't really referring to the official federal poverty line, which even the government knows is BS. I believe it is something like 5X the cost of a month of groceries per a Frugal Eating Plan made up by someone way back when most families had a full time homemaker to carefully shop for the best prices, and plan and cook meals.

Housing seems like a fair measurement IMO which is why I post that chart a lot. Apartments want 3X the rent in gross income. Most decent ones are at least $1200 just for a one bedroom so you would need an income of $43,200 per year to qualify.

A lot of individuals do not earn that much. Yes, I know, you could live with someone and not alone, just like you could ride the bus and live on beans and rice. Still think that it is a fair approximation of a "living wage" in the US at this time.
Originally Posted By BulkingIsHard
All of this garbage is because we have too much government. End the fed. End all taxes but sales. End most spending programs. End 99% of regulation.



False. We have too much damn spending with social programs.
If you mean the Federal Reserve Bank, then I'm good with that.

Sales taxes are regressive. But I would like to have a simpler and more fair tax system.

Our social spending really isn't that high and mostly goes to minor children, the elderly, and the disabled. If wages were higher the small percentage of social spending that goes to working able bodied adults would probable go down a lot.

This is dated, but they found 90% of social spending went to the elderly and disabled:

https://www.cbpp.org/research/contra...benefits-go-to
Originally Posted By BulkingIsHard
Our military is the welfare program for NATO. All western countries are leeches who do not want to invest in a big military. It is time we went isolationist and trimmed defense spending or started asking them to pay their fair share.

Fine by me.
Originally Posted By BulkingIsHard
False. The 70s was one of the worst periods in recent history thanks to stagflation. Higher taxes did not do anything because there were so many tax credits and deductions.
We did have stagflation. And that is one of the biggest reasons we ended up with Reagan and Carter wasn't re-elected. Carter was the one who wanted to keep a balanced budget, while Reagan wanted to cut taxes under the premises that it would improve the economy so much there wouldn't be an actual shortfall in revenue...everyone would be making so much money the revenue would be about the same; aka trickle down economics.

I'm actually old enough to remember. First president I really recall was Ford. I don't know about the credits and deductions in the 70s. I was a kid that watched the news and read the papers, but I wasn'tthatinto it.
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post 1637164483 04-26-2021, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted By Adnim
What percentage of people fall into that category?
Category? If you mean % of U.S. adults with a mental illness or serious mental illness:
20.6% of U.S. adults experienced mental illness in 2019 (51.5 million people). This represents 1 in 5 adults.

5.2% of U.S. adults experienced serious mental illness in 2019 (13.1 million people). This represents 1 in 20 adults.
https://www.nami.org/mhstats#:~:text...n%3A%2014.4%25
Anyway, one of the conditions for working is that you actually keep your job. If you can't hold down a job, then you aren't following the three rules to stay out of poverty.
If someone can't hold down a job because of a mental illness then those three rules become entirely irrelevant.
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Most millionaires reinvest their money back into the market.

So, they're doing the right thing.
post 1637172803 04-26-2021, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Definition of what "mentally ill" is would be nice. 1 out of five people are not "mentally ill" to the point of not being able to be gainfully employed.
Pure strawman by you. No source for your claim?
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