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post 1641118183 06-17-2021, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
what's the plan for antivax bros then?

seems like the consensus is to just roll the dice on the virus and hope for the best
And suffer a cold for a week?
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Originally Posted By Lb54TG⏩
Went to my endocrinologist today to to get my t levels checked.

He asked me if I got the vaccine, said no. He said “Well you should”

Said I wanna wait to make sure it’s safe and there’s no major short or long term side effects.
He said “well if it makes you feel better me and my family got it and we’re doing good”

Ok, well tell that to the CDC as they’re having an emergency hearing on heart inflammation due to vaccine lmao.

Foh
Would neg doctor IRL.

Could've asked him if he will sign a contract whereby his house/property/cars will be used to pay for your medical expenses should you have any complications.

I know he "believes in science", but can guarantee that he doesn't believe it that much that he's willing to put his skin in the game.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
misc seems pretty divided on this statement. at the end of the day, COVID is a bioweapon developed by the CCP with possible USA funding. the vaccine is supposedly a legitimate vaccine that has been studied quite a bit, albeit is still experimental.

I want to get the vaccine, but I think what I may end up doing is waiting until later in the year to see what happens. It's only been a few months since it's been released as far as I know, and if we have more data in the coming second half of 2021 that would put a lot of fears to rest IMO
146 million already fully vaccinated in the US. What’s there to fear? Long term neurological, lung, and heart damage are well documented with covid. 600k dead from covid from 34 million infected. Vaccine has 146 million fully Vaccinated and deaths linked to it are in the low thousands. There’s also no way to know if these people
died from the vaccine or if they would have died anyways and it coincided with them getting the shot.

They already had year long clinical trials for it and it was overwhelmingly safe. There’s no comparison. Get the vaccine.
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Originally Posted By jamesfrancis1⏩
146 million already vaccinated. What’s there to fear? Long term neurological, lung, and heart damage are well documented with covid. 600k dead from covid from 34 million infected. Vaccine has 146 million fully Vaccinated and deaths linked to it are in the low thousands. There’s also no way to know if these people
died from the vaccine or if they would have died anyways and it coincided with them getting the shot.

There’s no comparison. Get the vaccine.
funny how "covid deaths" are so liberally categorized but reported vaccine deaths have "no way to know if they would have died anyways and it coincided with them getting the shot".

Meanwhile you have most COVID deaths way past age 80 (past average life expectancy) and with 2.6 health conditions on average, but these were all people that would have lived for many decades longer if it weren't for big bad covid right? It was worth it to shut down the economy for people on the verge of death to keep them alive for a few months longer.

"Even if they die from a CLEAR alternate cause, if they had covid or suspected of having it at time of death, they will be listed as a covid death"

Absolutely pathetic what this country has become. bunch of pussies that are scared of potential flu symptoms.

Wish I could have seen your beta faces in the 1940s when you were drafted to go fight the Nazis.
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Originally Posted By jamesfrancis1⏩
146 million already vaccinated. What’s there to fear? Long term neurological, lung, and heart damage are well documented with covid. 600k dead from covid from 34 million infected. Vaccine has 146 million fully Vaccinated and deaths linked to it are in the low thousands. There’s also no way to know if these people
died from the vaccine or if they would have died anyways and it coincided with them getting the shot.

There’s no comparison. Get the vaccine.
Deaths aren’t in the low thousands. Not even close. People are using VAERS to make causal associations that do not exist. There is no explanatory mechanism or population level data to even remotely conclude thousands have died from the vaccine. Try dozens, maybe.
"Seen in the light of evolution, biology is, perhaps, intellectually the most satisfying and inspiring science. Without that light it becomes a pile of sundry facts -- some of them interesting or curious but making no meaningful picture as a whole."
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Originally Posted By lolatpaniccels⏩
funny how "covid deaths" are so liberally categorized but reported vaccine deaths have "no way to know if they would have died anyways and it coincided with them getting the shot".

Meanwhile you have most COVID deaths way past age 80 (past average life expectancy) and with 2.6 health conditions on average, but these were all people that would have lived for many decades longer if it weren't for big bad covid right? It was worth it to shut down the economy for people on the verge of death to keep them alive for a few months longer.

"Even if they die from a CLEAR alternate cause, if they had covid or suspected of having it at time of death, they will be listed as a covid death"

Absolutely pathetic what this country has become. bunch of pussies that are scared of potential flu symptoms.

Wish I could have seen your beta faces in the 1940s when you were drafted to go fight the Nazis.
Want to know why you’re wrong? The only people dying now from Covid are those who are unvaccinated. If covid was not causing people to die, you would see people who are vaccinated and test positive for covid dying at the same rate. Deaths are nonexistent in the vaccinated group whereas unvaccinated are dying at 300+ per day. How does that compute with your covid is harmless theory?
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Originally Posted By jamesfrancis1⏩
Want to know why you’re wrong? The only people dying now from Covid are those who are unvaccinated. If covid was not causing people to die, you would see people who are vaccinated and test positive for covid dying at the same rate. Deaths are nonexistent in the vaccinated group whereas unvaccinated are dying at 300+ per day. How does that compute with your covid is harmless theory?
Never did I say that it was not killing people, rather it's killing the unhealthiest and oldest of society that are closing to dying either way.

I haven't taken it/wont ever take it and ive lived my life exactly the same and nothing has happened and will not happen because im not a weak cuck.
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Originally Posted By lolatpaniccels⏩
Never did I say that it was not killing people, rather it's killing the unhealthiest and oldest of society that are closing to dying either way.

I haven't taken it/wont ever take it and ive lived my life exactly the same and nothing has happened and will not happen because im not a weak cuck.
Even if you’re in the best shape possible, do you think you’ll
Remain that way after covid? It’s like bragging you can survive a car accident.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
many people think this statement is fake news. is there a source that confirm this? I heard that anyone who tests for covid 30 days after death is counted as a covid death.
go to YouTube and type in the search bar

"even if you die from a clear alternate cause"

The video will come up
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
Deaths aren’t in the low thousands. Not even close. People are using VAERS to make causal associations that do not exist. There is no explanatory mechanism or population level data to even remotely conclude thousands have died from the vaccine. Try dozens, maybe.

connect If there was a causal connection between the vaccine and even several thousand deaths, it would be
If its only "dozens" of deaths out of literally several hundred million doses, then why don't the pharmaceutical companies just agree to pay $2M life insurance for anyone who died from it? The liability cost would be fractions of pennies to them.

If they did this, it would drastically improve peoples' faith in their product, no?

Instead, in reality, we have the pharmaceutical companies not wanting liability and not being willing to assume it. Makes zero sense according to your statements.
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Originally Posted By Better
That's nice except none of this was ever claimed except maybe for ******** liberals. lol @ mrna not leaving injection site. Who was circulation and why do you think they inject into muscle instead of fat? lmao
spike protein was never harmless and there were a few papers suggesting that the binding of it to ace receptor is what causes long-term issues (at least in rats). As in it induced cell signaling;

so all of this chit you made up is false? who would have thought



nobody is injected with spike protein itself. mrna is absorbed by immune cells. nowthosecells do produce it and move it to the surface of the cell but they don't just release it into the wild. They are attached. Immune system figures out that those spikes are not supposed to be there and denatures those proteinz.

Yes, there is IMO potential for some immune cells to actually interact with other cells in your body through the newly produced spike protein as a virus would to induce similar signaling (which is the only damage I see from vaccine and covid itself long-term). But the probability of it being folded and oriented correctly in the first place will be fairly small.


Brb, 350 cells exposed to spike protein on immune cell = RIP. But 350,000 spike proteins all over your body from covid = harmless flu. lmao, just lmao.


Honestly, if you think you WILL get covid at some point, you will walk away a winner with less damage from vaccine spike protein interactions versus 100-fold exposure to same chit from actual virus. If you think you can dodge ever getting infected, stay vax-free IMO.
Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
Deaths aren’t in the low thousands. Not even close. People are using VAERS to make causal associations that do not exist. There is no explanatory mechanism or population level data to even remotely conclude thousands have died from the vaccine. Try dozens, maybe.
Well done gents. Kinda laughing at the uneducated swine in here pretending they have the faintest idea of how anything in the body works on a cellular level. Anyone wanna go around and say what they have their doctorate degree in? Surely with this many experts who understand the physiological pathways associated with immunology and the biochemistry of vaccines there must be some brilliant minds in here!


But muh spike proteinz!
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Weinstein: not vaccinated, using ivermectin to prevent infection
Malone: had the virus, developed long covid, read reports that the vaccine was helping people with long covid, got the vaccine
Kirsch: got the vaccine [travel reasons?] encouraged others to be vaccinated, his daughters are vaccinated, says he very much wishes that his daughters had not been vaccinated

None of the men state that they are against mrna vaccines. Just that the data coming in re:this vaccine is concerning and there are other ways to deal with the virus.



In the video they say there is a peer reviewed meta analysis of the effectiveness of ivermectin to prevent and treat covid soon to be published. Haven't found that yet, so:

https://ivmmeta.com/
thanks for the info, didnt know Brett wasn't vaccinated, in fact pretty shocking I thought he got vaxxed, but at the same time his good friend Joe Rogan isn't vaccinated either

Is ivermectin safe is that prescription only?
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Originally Posted By WrathOfPecan⏩
If its only "dozens" of deaths out of literally several hundred million doses, then why don't the pharmaceutical companies just agree to pay $2M life insurance for anyone who died from it? The liability cost would be fractions of pennies to them.

If they did this, it would drastically improve peoples' faith in their product, no?

Instead, in reality, we have the pharmaceutical companies not wanting liability and not being willing to assume it. Makes zero sense according to your statements.
20 year old athlete gets the vaxx and then is dead in 48 hours = nothing to do with the shot.

90 year old obese dude with 4 pre-existing conditions died within 30 days of covid contraction = covid death.

LMAO
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
holy moly, good find
"even if you were in hospice and given a few weeks to live and were also found to have covid, you'd still be listed as a covid death"

thats why I laugh at these NPCs keep quoting their 600K deaths number. At least 100-250K of those were nursing home individuals where they had weeks to months to live max and people over the age of 85. (7 years older than average age of death).

Plenty of instances of "covid deaths" from gun shot victims, motorcycle crashes, car accidents, etc.

Of course they wanted to pump up the numbers of deaths to justify more lockdowns and other dranconian measures.

More lockdowns = more billions for the elite class since most big businesses were kept open and small businesses were decimated.
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Originally Posted By lolatpaniccels⏩
20 year old athlete gets the vaxx and then is dead in 48 hours = nothing to do with the shot.

90 year old obese dude with 4 pre-existing conditions died within 30 days of covid contraction = covid death.

LMAO
Exactly. If there are only a few dozen cases like the 20 year old athlete who dies from the shot (according to vaxcels ITT), then why doesn't big pharma assume the risk?

If someone buys a brand new car, turns the ignition, and they quickly burn to death, then the carmaker is 100% liable for it. But this is so extraordinarily rare out of tens of millions of cars that get built and are safe that it isn't really a problem for a multi-billion company to pay damages when it happens.

The same should be the case for pharmaceutical companies. Why are they unwilling to pay for problems if they're so rare?
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Originally Posted By WrathOfPecan⏩
If its only "dozens" of deaths out of literally several hundred million doses, then why don't the pharmaceutical companies just agree to pay $2M life insurance for anyone who died from it? The liability cost would be fractions of pennies to them.

If they did this, it would drastically improve peoples' faith in their product, no?

Instead, in reality, we have the pharmaceutical companies not wanting liability and not being willing to assume it. Makes zero sense according to your statements.
The people who aren’t taking them now aren’t doing so because of the liability protection.

Also, imagine thousands of idiots trying to sue you for adverse reactions because they either want a handout or actually believe the vaccine caused some unrelated effect. Companies would lose additional millions in just settling.

And most importantly, as pharmaceutical companies have learned over and over, the courtroom is not an examination of scientific data. Jurors aren’t scientists but they are impressionable. A good lawyer can convince them of just about anything.
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
The people who aren’t taking them now aren’t doing so because of the liability protection.

Also, imagine thousands of idiots trying to sue you for adverse reactions because they either want a handout or actually believe the vaccine caused some unrelated effect. Companies would lose additional millions in just settling.

And most importantly, as pharmaceutical companies have learned over and over, the courtroom is not an examination of scientific data. Jurors aren’t scientists but they are impressionable. A good talking lawyer can convince them of just about anything.
As expected, a non-answer. Every other multi-billion dollar company produces things used by the population, and yet they're able to brush off false litigation without it killing the company or the bottom line.

Logic not even once.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
yeah.. regardless of the % survival rate, we know the total amount of deaths is lower than what was reported.

I wonder if anybody took the time to look up the quantity of deaths for certain things like drug overdoses, driving accidents, cancer, heart attacks, murders, etc, from 2019 and compared them to 2020, noted the difference, and compared that difference to the quantity of COVID deaths. that would be interesting.
it would be very interesting, and the best part is the COVID-cels have no response AT ALL for these videos and regulations on how ridiculously liberal covid deaths are classified.

Covid is real but it fits the LITERAL definition of what a HOAX is.

"a falsehood deliberately fabricated to masquerade as the truth"
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Originally Posted By WrathOfPecan⏩
As expected, a non-answer. Every other multi-billion dollar company produces things used by the population, and yet they're able to brush off false litigation without it killing the company or the bottom line.

Logic not even once.
It’s not about staying afloat dummy. Companies lose millions in settling. Why would they if they don’t have to? Brb yeah let’s pay a couple million per death associated with our vaccine for the reason of.... oh that’s right, to restore faith. Absolute stupidity.

They generated a product that is beneficial for the vast majority of people. There is zero incentive for them to take on litigation when they don’t have to.

So I’ll ask again, what is your evidence that the vaccines are harmful? Or potentially harmful? Let’s dig into the science of your claim. Inb4 crickets
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Here is a 171 page document filled with reasons why the vaccine may be harmful:

https://circleofmamas.com/wp-content...1APR2021-1.pdf

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this.
If you can’t put things in your words, you don’t understand them. I’m not reading through 170 pages of what I’m assume are anecdotes and pseudoscience.

What is the most convincing scientific study that you’ve read and understood which demonstrates the vaccines are harmful?
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
It’s not about staying afloat dummy. Companies lose millions in settling. Why would they if they don’t have to? Brb yeah let’s pay a couple million per death associated with our vaccine for the reason of.... oh that’s right, to restore faith. Absolute stupidity.

They generated a product that is beneficial for the vast majority of people. There is zero incentive for them to take on litigation when they don’t have to.

So I’ll ask again, what is your evidence that the vaccines are harmful? Or potentially harmful? Let’s dig into the science of your claim. Inb4 crickets
And like clockwork, you lose the argument because you resort to calling me a 'dummy' instead of addressing the issue. I'm trying to keep it logical here, but the name calling indicates this has become an emotional event for you.
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Originally Posted By WrathOfPecan⏩
And like clockwork, you lose the argument because you resort to insulting name calling instead of addressing the issue. I'm trying to keep it logical here, but the name calling indicates this has become an emotional issue for you.
I called you a dummy. About the least insulting name possible. Get over it and stay on track.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Asks for evidence

Receives 171 pages of well written, detailed evidence

Says he wont read it, insults the intelligence of the person giving him the evidence, and dismisses it as pseudoscience or anecdotal







Can't make this chit up. LMAO
Anything that is not an obscure "$tudy" funded by big pharma he dismisses as "not legitimate".

Lmfao.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Asks for evidence

Receives 171 pages of well written, detailed evidence

Says he wont read it, insults the intelligence of the person giving him the evidence, and dismisses it as pseudoscience or anecdotal







Can't make this chit up. LMAO
News stories are not data or compelling evidence. I ask this seriously, have you ever read a scientific study from abstract to conclusion? Like a single one?
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
The spike protein crossing the blood brain barrier + neurological issues isn't exactly new info. Seems like this study was specifically looking at parts of the brain that are involved in taste and smell.

Too bad the vaccine doesn't prevent infection.
Yeeeeah that’s definitely a big effing no for me dawg.

Fk that, I’m good.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
I'd like to add, it is incredibly interesting seeing how ego driven the general populace is. Most people are just concerned with being right, they really dont give a fuk about the truth. The moment a piece of evidence is bought forward that supports their argument, they accept it as legitimate without caring whether its actually true or not.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
If you used your incredible intellect to scroll to the third page, you wouldve seen data. If you spent even 2 minutes scrolling through the entire document, you wouldve seen detailed analysis of official trials on page 153. Page 164 and onwards digs into various news articles etc.

I guess that's beneath you though.
Pg 154,155 - uh, we have dozens of studies now both in vitro and in vivo showing antibody responses by the vaccines. We also have evidence that the vaccines help reduce infection and transmission. If I source them to you, will you admit that that argument is trash and dated? How about: “yeah reliance, I didn’t actual do any of my own research but the sources you posted put to bed those claims posted on circleofmamas.com. I won’t be citing that anymore.”

Sound fair?
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Negged vaccine shills itt
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not watching the video, but what's the logic behind the spike protein being "harmful"?

the main flaw in your argument is that the cells aren't "producing spike protein", but an innocuous version of it is injected itself through the vaccine which your T cells recognize as an antigen and produce the appropriate immune response (making antibodies).
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Where did I post that the vaccines arent effective? Hardly anyone in this thread is arguing that, the concern is whether they're safe. Good job cherry picking one piece of data in that entire document to prove something that nobody doubted in the first place. Lmao
You haven’t even read your own trash source.

You: “If you spent even 2 minutes scrolling through the entire document, you wouldve seen detailed analysis of official trials on page 153.”

I scroll there and the first two pages are debunked nonsense.... And you even admit it. You literally admit that your own source isn’t credible because those pages are clearly questioning the vaccine effectiveness. What other “detailed analysis” of the trials are you talking about? The next page which consists of a story about Maddie? Lol yeah, such a detailed analysis of the trials.
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