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post 1641631773 06-25-2021, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted By MuscleXtreme
What expenses make up their living wage calculation? How did they get their numbers? What is their methodology?
Literally gives you that in the website in the OP
post 1641631943 06-25-2021, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01
The idea is that this is what is required for you to live yes, hence "living" wage

You're trying to tell me you need to live without roommates to be alive for more than one day?

You trying to tell me that you need internet at home and not on your free obamaphone or at the public library?

You're telling me you need money for:

The civic engagement component is constructed using 2019 national
expenditure data by household size from the 2019 Bureau of Labor Statistics Consumer
Expenditure Survey including: (1) Fees and admissions, (2) audio and visual equipment and
services, (3) pets, and (4) toys, (5) hobbies, and playground equipment, (6) other entertainment
supplies, (7) equipment, and services, (8) reading, and (9) education. Civic engagement costs cover
expenses related to participating in and engaging in civic activities.

To stay alive for more than one day?

Lol, Karen please

They are touting this as what you need to live, and clearly these things are not required for living. So any wage that is derived from these incorrect assumptions is also incorrect

This is the main problem with the "living wage" argument and trying to actually build ****ing policies around this nonsense
Yep, glad the methodology and definitions have been fleshed out now.

A living wage is such an arbitrary phrase. Basic needs including all the civic expenditures is a joke.
post 1641631983 06-25-2021, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted By MuscleXtreme
Yep, glad the methodology and definitions have been fleshed out now.

A living wage is such an arbitrary phrase. Basic needs including all the civic expenditures is a joke.
Yes, I agree

It's why you can't take these kind of conversations seriously

Just poorcels being poorcels
post 1641632503 06-25-2021, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN
In other words, don't have kids if you can't afford them. DINK life is insane. I barely work and have mountains of money saved & invested.

Pretty simple.
That's quite a statement...........

So in our society, we should only allow those who are rich enough to procreate? You realize they have government systems in place so poor people can procreate so they can work low end jobs right?


You're not thinking bigger picture and shows your immaturity......who would run factories if poor people who struggle all their lives didn't procreate? Oil fields? Warehouses? Fast food?

Our economy would 100% collapse if your logic was implemented. You should educate yourself before saying such silly things.
post 1641632703 06-25-2021, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted By JPF82
That's quite a statement...........

So in our society, we should only allow those who are rich enough to procreate? You realize they have government systems in place so poor people can procreate so they can work low end jobs right?


You're not thinking bigger picture and shows your immaturity......who would run factories if poor people who struggle all their lives didn't procreate? Oil fields? Warehouses? Fast food?

Our economy would 100% collapse if your logic was implemented. You should educate yourself before saying such silly things.
We could just continue the Democrats plan and allow mass illegal immigration to occur to work those jobs.
post 1641633243 06-25-2021, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted By MuscleXtreme
What expenses make up their living wage calculation? How did they get their numbers? What is their methodology?
https://livingwage.mit.edu/resources...2021-05-21.pdf
Originally Posted By MuscleXtreme
Yep, glad the methodology and definitions have been fleshed out now.

A living wage is such an arbitrary phrase.Basic needs including all the civic expenditures is a joke.
Per their chart looks like that is $100 a year. Not going to be a big factor.
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post 1641633593 06-25-2021, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted By MuscleXtreme
We could just continue the Democrats plan and allow mass illegal immigration to occur to work those jobs.
stfu, srs. Illegal immigration occurs under both parties no matter what reform is made. It HAS to happen but you're told and brain washed to believe its never supposed to be like this.


Heres something you dolts really have never thought of.......


You know companies create road maps right? Projections of the company in 3-5-10 years?

You know countries do the same exact thing right? You realize USA has a 50-70 year road map at all times projecting where it will be. You think it doesn't allow for illegal immigration? Unwed pregnancies? baby booms? unlivable wages? debt beyond our eyeballs and beyond our comprehension?

gtfo plox, u wasting my time
post 1641634603 06-25-2021, 08:40 PM
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The point of minimum wage isn't to have children at that level.
post 1641643103 06-25-2021, 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01
https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/min.../2020/home.htm

A source to back this up

"In 2020, 73.3 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 55.5 percent of all wage and salary workers."

"The percentage of hourly paid workers earning the prevailing federal minimum wage or less declined from 1.9 percent in 2019 to 1.5 percent in 2020. This remains well below the percentage of 13.4 recorded in 1979, when data were first collected on a regular basis."

So 1.5% (The percentage of hourly paid workers earning the min wage or less) of 55.5% (The percentage of workers who are hourly) is 0.8% roughly
It'd be more useful to know their % of minimum wage that demographic earns. If its 101% of minimum wage, essentially no difference. If it's 150%, or 175%....

Plus, you DO have to start somewhere, so if you start with unlivable wages...imagine making $12/hr in my neck of the woods in NorCal.
Originally Posted By imbored205
Garb calculator, 1 Adult 1 Child is more than 2 Adults (1 working) 1 Child.
Child care (expense) and an extra dependent for your tax deductible. Bro, Jesus, use your frontal cortex!
Originally Posted By BigDeeps01
Ahh I see, we're going from "what is required to live" to "What is the safest and convenient"
You're right bro, the calculator should pretend you're living in a cardboard box and ride a skateboard to work. Tony Hawk's riding back and forth from their McDonald's job and their lean-to at the local underpass should be the standard with a living wage of $2.17/hour.
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post 1641643403 06-25-2021, 11:51 PM
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Some of these figures make me laugh, you'll be living paycheck to paycheck in Montgomery county with that pay scale with kids
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post 1641643483 06-25-2021, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01
Except it's perfectly reasonable to live on $7.25 an hour, no need for $12

Also feel free to not limit yourself to only 40 hours a week
Who the **** is working for $7.25 dollars an hour lol?
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post 1641643553 06-25-2021, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01
You could easily fit 2-3 people in a 500-600 square foot efficiency

Or go with just renting a room in a house

One person does not need 500+ square feet to themselves
this is a barrier to common sense.

What else do I not "need?" A microwave? A car? A pair of shoes? Need is relative.

Try applying this model to a standard way of life in any city it's proposed in. Instead of arguing benign points that circumvent the issue, try imagining what it looks like to live on the wages proposed. Your essential stance of all poor people living in Favela's for eternity because they don't "need" xyz is nonsensical.

I'm not saying people should be buying PS5's when they make $12/hr, but this silly prevalence of "yOu DoN't NeEd A LaMp!1!1! tHe SuN iS FrEe!1!" is ridiculous.
Originally Posted By katya422
Wow.

Can't say if it is accurate or not, but that sort of thing seems like it could be good to know if you are looking to move to a more expensive area.
If you live in SF on $115k a year you're panhandling
August 2023:
BW: 194
B: 315 x 3, 225 x 14 (PR: 335)
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DL: 405 x 1 (PR); Trap Bar DL: 405 x 1
OHP: 185 x 3 (PR), 135 x 16
Chins: 22(PR) Pushups: 83 (PR: 101)
1 Mile: 6:45 (PR: 5:52)
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