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post 1641682853 06-26-2021, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
People generally look down on weak people who cannot stand under their own power.

The religious divide responsibility but a "house divided against itself cannot stand".

A strong person embraces responsibility because he can handle it.
and that's the problem, they misinterpret it as weakness because of their own shortcomings
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
and that's the problem, they misinterpret it as weakness because of their own shortcomings
Wishful thinking is pretty weak.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I dismiss forgiveness in certain circumstances. I prefer a more nuanced approach. I generally forgive people that I anticipate interacting with again. If I'm certain I won't interact with them again, and I can rationally gain from punishing them, I will. I also won't forgive anyone I expect to offend again. It's ok to kill anyone who claims to be the son of god if he threatens my safety or opposes truth. It's ok to steal if I need it to survive and am not significantly impacting someone else's survival. I am grateful for certain aspects of my life, but I also am not grateful for others.

My rules only apply to me. Everyone else does whatever they do and I respond accordingly. I socially advocate that others practice Christian, Hindu, or Buddhist ethics because they are the nost passive and advantageous to me. Rules for thee and not for me.

And I suspect you all do the same. It's quite a cute joke.

So, no I am not a Christian and do not agree with Christian ethics. I have Wincel ethics.
Lol.

Forgiveness is not for you.

People often say this but they rarely mean it, they will say, "I forgive but I don't forget" and "I don't even think about them" but they are lying. They don't forgive or forget, they think about the person that hurt them sometimes and they are still disgusted by it, they are still a victim. I'm not saying put yourself in a similar position, I'm saying do not give anyone or anything absolute power over you.



Punishing someone or something you hate will do nothing for you.

Even if you take the ultimate revenge they will live on through you lol.

The people you hate rarely think about you but you think about the people you hate all the time, whether they are present or not.



I do not believe in free will so I forgive everyone for everything that they do, they are just a personification of causes, they are not the cause themselves.

I may be a man of genius but I take no credit for it, I'm just a product of my causes.

When I sacrifice for others, I expect nothing in return, I do hope they pass it on.
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
and that's the problem, they misinterpret it as weakness because of their own shortcomings
What would be some examples of this?

Since Wincel previously mentioned pacifism, I think that would be a good example. If someone is so enlightened that they can "turn the other cheek" because they genuinely aren't bothered by whatever is going on (an unrealistic standard), then I can respect that. If someone is "turning the other cheek" because they read somewhere that they should, or whatever, then I think that is BS.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
What would be some examples of this?

Since Wincel previously mentioned pacifism, I think that would be a good example. If someone is so enlightened that they can "turn the other cheek" because they genuinely aren't bothered by whatever is going on (an unrealistic standard), then I can respect that. If someone is "turning the other cheek" because they read somewhere that they should, or whatever, then I think that is BS.
No, they view faith as a weakness and it's because they don't understand people. They're usually the type that can't understand why not everyone thinks just like they do.
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Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
Lol.

Forgiveness is not for you.

People often say this but they rarely mean it, they will say, "I forgive but I don't forget" and "I don't even think about them" but they are lying. They don't forgive or forget, they think about the person that hurt them sometimes and they are still disgusted by it, they are still a victim. I'm not saying put yourself in a similar position, I'm saying do not give anyone or anything absolute power over you.



Punishing someone or something you hate will do nothing for you.

Even if you take the ultimate revenge they will live on through you lol.

The people you hate rarely think about you but you think about the people you hate all the time, whether they are present or not.



I do not believe in free will so I forgive everyone for everything that they do, they are just a personification of causes, they are not the cause themselves.

I may be a man of genius but I take no credit for it, I'm just a product of my causes.

When I sacrifice for others, I expect nothing in return, I do hope they pass it on.
That's not true. You can gain from punishing someone. For example, if someone assaults you and you sue them and win, you gain more than if you didn't sue.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
That's not true. You can gain from punishing someone. For example, if someone assaults you and you sue them and win, you gain more than if you didn't sue.
Believe it or not, I know some people that went to prison.

They told me that if you get raped... there aint no coming back from that lol.

They said even if you rape him back and chop his head off... you still got raped lol.



Moral of the story is money won't make you feel better lol.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Can you explain why you logically believe in a religion?
Your low iq would never grasp it. You’re probably the stupidest person on th e misc, I mean that.
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Originally Posted By Travis99⏩
Your low iq would never grasp it. You’re probably the stupidest person on th e misc, I mean that.
I remember u. U were the idiot I was explaining relativity to when I got banned mid conversation.
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Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
Believe it or not, I know some people that went to prison.

They told me that if you get raped... there aint no coming back from that lol.

They said even if you rape him back and chop his head off... you still got raped lol.



Moral of the story is money won't make you feel better lol.
Tell me. Is it better to be raped and have a bunch of money or to be raped? There's your answer.
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I’d be agnostic (ex-Christian) if it weren’t for Islam, the scholars, the Quran and Hadiths.
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Simple. 4 billion odd years is nowhere near enough time to randomly stumble upon the information required to build life. There is a finite number of life forms(generation), because time itself is finite in relation to life on the planet. It's not possible.

There is no other answer than God created life
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God is real. Just like demons and entities that hurt our loved ones and ourselves.
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I imagine some common (not really logical) reasons are

-Region people grew up in
-What they were brought up with
-Fear of death, fear of eternal punishment
-Sense of belonging to a group, social reasons
-Fan of moral teachings (perhaps cherry picked)
-External pressures (from current society they are in- perhaps in the Middle East, in marriages, in raising kids “this is just how kids should be brought up”, etc)
-Even political motivations

I don’t think a lot of times people are sitting there researching the historicity of the gospel accounts or of various OT events to come to a conclusion whether these events happened in order to become a Christian, for example. Nor are many sitting there objectively weighing the ideas of various religions in lengthy philosophical deliberations. Nah, the practical reasons above seem to be dominant factors.
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
I imagine some common (not really logical) reasons are

-Region people grew up in
-What they were brought up with
-Fear of death, fear of eternal punishment
-Sense of belonging to a group, social reasons
-Fan of moral teachings (perhaps cherry picked)
-External pressures (from current society they are in- perhaps in the Middle East, in marriages, in raising kids “this is just how kids should be brought up”, etc)
-Even political motivations

I don’t think a lot of times people are sitting there researching the historicity of the gospel accounts or of various OT events to come to a conclusion whether these events happened in order to become a Christian, for example. Nor are many sitting there objectively weighing the ideas of various religions in lengthy philosophical deliberations. Nah, the practical reasons above seem to be dominant factors.
I wish people cared about truth. People around me always ask me why I care so much...why do I have to be so literal or take things so srsly. Why does it matter who is right etc...As a mathematician, you understand, as I do, the importance of truth. Some of us build our entire lives trying to understand truth. For others, it's a game. Something to distort to "win the battle." For them, finding the truth isn't the end, but rather, the truth is a thing to be manipulated for their desired outcome.

I suspect the religious do not care about truth, but only what they want out of life. It's also why so many can look the other way on science issues in favor of defending their fantasies about reality.
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
I imagine some common (not really logical) reasons are

-Region people grew up in
-What they were brought up with
-Fear of death, fear of eternal punishment
-Sense of belonging to a group, social reasons
-Fan of moral teachings (perhaps cherry picked)
-External pressures (from current society they are in- perhaps in the Middle East, in marriages, in raising kids “this is just how kids should be brought up”, etc)
-Even political motivations

I don’t think a lot of times people are sitting there researching the historicity of the gospel accounts or of various OT events to come to a conclusion whether these events happened in order to become a Christian, for example. Nor are many sitting there objectively weighing the ideas of various religions in lengthy philosophical deliberations. Nah, the practical reasons above seem to be dominant factors.
no reason is going to make sense to him because he's not really interested in trying to understand other people
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I wish people cared about truth. People around me always ask me why I care so much...why do I have to be so literal or take things so srsly. Why does it matter who is right etc...As a mathematician, you understand, as I do, the importance of truth. Some of us build our entire lives trying to understand truth. For others, it's a game. Something to distort to "win the battle." For them, finding the truth isn't the end, but rather, the truth is a thing to be manipulated for their desired outcome.

I suspect the religious do not care about truth, but only what they want out of life. It's also why so many can look the other way on science issues in favor of defending their fantasies about reality.
For sure, there tends to be a lot of wishful thinking going on with something like religion. Personally I’m more interested in what’s true than what is comforting or not. It would also be comforting to believe that murder doesn’t occur, tornados don’t exist, or that I won the lottery with the ticket I just purchased...none of my wishes affect the truth of the item in question. And what is true will be dictated by the evidence at the end of the day. As always in these matters, the evidence, or lack thereof, will be the guide.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
The irony of the Raw Dog Crew LT not believing in the Big Bang..... Sun.

You know my stance Opie.

Something doesn't come from nothing. Abrahamic faiths have historical roots that many of us have cultural upbringing in. Those two combined satisfy a natural question and answer of "is there more?"
Yeah but questioning "is there more" is a far cry from subscribing to a religion. I would assume that the OP is referring to formal religions, therefore questioning why someone believes they should live their life a certain way to satisfy the "something more" thing or to save their "soul." Religion isn't really about thinking and questioning as much as it is about listening, obeying, and giving.

To answer the OP's question, I think people who are members to formal religions are for a variety of reasons; tradition, comfort, and even peace of mind and to possibly reduce some anxieties about one's mortality.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I remember u. U were the idiot I was explaining relativity to when I got banned mid conversation.
Mods stated You were banned for being so wrong about physics. Get an education boy.
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I believe in God brah.

Just lol@ anyone who doesn't believe in a creator. Just lmao
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I like the idea that religion is a tool to appease the part of us that asks all those questions:

What happens to us when we die?

Where did we come from?

The Buddhist metaphor of the raft makes a lot of sense to me. It’s used to cross the river.

But like Alan Watts said, it’s for crossing the river. You’re not supposed to stay on it and go back and forth under the impression that the raft itself is the goal.
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I'm an atheist, but I despise the ones that only attack Evangelical Christians, or the Catholic Church. The ones who don't have the balls to attack all religions.

In fact, I'll really only attack someone's religion if they come at me first for being an atheist.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
I'm an atheist, but I despise the ones that only attack Evangelical Christians, or the Catholic Church. The ones who don't have the balls to attack all religions.

In fact, I'll really only attack someone's religion if they come at me first for being an atheist.
Dave u are secretly the most woke person. It's actually hilarious.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Dave u are secretly the most woke person. It's actually hilarious.
Being a pro-choice atheist isn't "woke."
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Being a pro-choice atheist isn't "woke."
Pro choice, atheist, pro civil liberties

Admit it.. u voted for Obama back in the day
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Pro choice, atheist, pro civil liberties

Admit it.. u voted for Obama back in the day
The first time, yeah. Definitely not the second time, but our choices were Romney or Obama and both were terrible, and as we soon learned, two sides of the same coin. Same with him and McCain.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I wish people cared about truth. People around me always ask me why I care so much...why do I have to be so literal or take things so srsly. Why does it matter who is right etc...As a mathematician, you understand, as I do, the importance of truth. Some of us build our entire lives trying to understand truth. For others, it's a game. Something to distort to "win the battle." For them, finding the truth isn't the end, but rather, the truth is a thing to be manipulated for their desired outcome.

I suspect the religious do not care about truth, but only what they want out of life. It's also why so many can look the other way on science issues in favor of defending their fantasies about reality.
This is one of your best posts of all time but... you distort facts to further your personal ideology.

When you are challenged, you result to distortion instead of admitting you are wrong.

When you are well-challenged, you just ignore it lol.



You do not seek truth, you aspire to be the truth, this is why you can't accept being wrong.

You probably do not self-reflect often either, maybe you find it painful.

Maybe this is why you can't improve.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
The first time, yeah. Definitely not the second time, but our choices were Romney or Obama and both were terrible, and as we soon learned, two sides of the same coin. Same with him and McCain.
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Originally Posted By NKWulf⏩
because science cant explain everything.
If you look back in history, there were many things we were unable to explain (planetary orbits/antibiotics) or thought was impossible (flight/sending a man to space), but today we have a much greater grasp of those things through the help of science. Those were things that were once believed to be "gods doing" but now we have science to explain them so painfully simple that even an adolescent kid can learn about it.

Don't you think god is being shriveled back into an ever receding corner of relevance?

Its pretty much going to be "gg" for the concept of god and religion once we figure out how to transfer our consciousness into another body...and we're getting pretty damn close (within 100 years).
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