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post 1653158233 12-25-2021, 11:30 AM
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When it comes to vaccines I think there are two really simple questions you need to ask yourself.
1. If I am vaccinated am I comfortable sharing a drink, food or a kiss with a person infected with covid?

2. If the vaccines work why aren't Fauci & the CDC telling people they can safely attend holiday gatherings. AND include close proximity presence with unvaccinated individuals and those that are sick from Covid?



It really just doesn't add up. The vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting or spreading Covid, it doesn't even prevent you from dying from Covid. At best it promises slightly milder symptoms. But for the most part covid is very mild with no long term side effects (for most people).



If the vaccine works and you are fully vaccinated the word Covid shouldn't even be something you think or talk about. It should be something that occurred in the past that does not and cannot affect your life any longer since you are a vaccinatedcel.
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The proper response to the data fiasco would have been "The vast majority of people are vaccinated, therefore they will end up with the majority of Covid cases." That however would lead right back to vaccine effectiveness.

Regardless, the fact that there is such surprises keeps me from getting vaxxed. Specifically negative effectiveness, which I think is far more worrying than simple breakthrough cases. What's next, the common cold is going to be a serious illness because our immune system can't fight it off anymore without a fukking subscription service to Pfizer? Get the fuk outta here with that. Done. I'm so glad I didn't capitulate and am now a solid antivaxxer.
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Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
The proper response to the data fiasco would have been "The vast majority of people are vaccinated, therefore they will end up with the majority of Covid cases." That however would lead right back to vaccine effectiveness.

Regardless, the fact that there is such surprises keeps me from getting vaxxed. Specifically negative effectiveness, which I think is far more worrying than simple breakthrough cases. What's next, the common cold is going to be a serious illness because our immune system can't fight it off anymore without a fukking subscription service to Pfizer? Get the fuk outta here with that. Done. I'm so glad I didn't capitulate and am now a solid antivaxxer.
This goes up to ~ 2 weeks ago:






https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-...tion.pdf?la=en

Perhaps a lot changed in the last 2 weeks and collapsing over those age groups is now a valid thing to do in order to draw a conclusion.

Edit: testing edit block script.

Edit 2: block script not working.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
This goes up to ~ 2 weeks ago:


https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-...tion.pdf?la=en

Perhaps a lot changed in the last 2 weeks and collapsing over those age groups is now a valid thing to do in order to draw a conclusion.
"Rate ... in the previous 30 days"
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I personally know two people, my god-brother and moms best friends son, that died from myocarditis within three months of getting the vaccine. Their families refuse to believe the vaccine contributed to their deaths.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
There is a reason why I quoted your previous post.

But since you're completely fine with editing posts... Let's dissect your edit:

So people understand exactly how intellectually dishonest the beavercel vaxcuck is (yet) again, this is roughly how the quoted data relates to what it's being used to refute:


Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
This goes up to ~ 2 weeks ago:




https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-...tion.pdf?la=en

Perhaps a lot changed in the last 2 weeks and collapsing over those age groups is now a valid thing to do in order to draw a conclusion.
Why not demonstrate intellectual honesty by posting the age breakdown in the same date range as the All ages collapsed data?
post 1653160873 12-25-2021, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Are you saying I intentionally selected specific data to support a narrative?
Nope. Odd that you only shared one view though.

But you seem to be upset with me for the data that are available.


Why not demonstrate intellectual honesty by posting the age breakdown in the same date range as the All ages collapsed data?
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Now that we know the vaxxed are leading the way with covid cases, what's the data on hospitalizations?

Vaxxed cucks keeps moving the goal posts and are now saying that cases dont matter and it doesnt matter that they are leading the way in cases because the un-vaxxed are leading the way with hospitalizations.

Anyone have this data? Is this accurate?
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not surprising; former MRNA trials that never made it past rat studies saw this exact long term effect.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
"Rate ... in the previous 30 days"
Selecting "in previous 30 days" doesn't automatically update it though, it just gives you the most up to date numbers it has, which was shown in the previous age selection charts you and others posted which only went to late October for individual age groups. I would only "trust" charts with specific date* ranges, that chart quoted doesn't have any dates. The other chart is out of date by 2 weeks, and there have been dramatic changes from the near hockey stick uptick in cases across all statuses (vax/unvax/partial vax). Notice how right after Dec. 12 is when cases exploded.

Interesting snap shot for sure. We likely won't see this again for some time as I'm sure the ranks of the unvaxxed will swell when unboostered get included as unvaxxed.

-edit *date, not age.
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According to the symptoms of my last sickness there's a good chance I had the Omicron variant already. I had COVID for certain, as I paid for my own testing. This time I had the classic "leaky faucet" nose drip. Was like water for 4 days along with flu symptoms and mild fatigue. Had to legit stuff tissues in my nose and change them every 30 min - 1 hour for 4 days straight. Living in a deep-red state (SC) and working around the public, it's even more likely this was the case.

Other than the annoyance of snot rags, tiredness, congestion, headaches and a 100.9 fever, I was all good. Zero shots/boosters because I'm not a lab-rat, big-pharma cock sucker.

Miss me with the "anti-vax" crap, too. Being ex-military and working for governments for most of my adult life, I absolutely accept proven vaccines without issue.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I'm not upset, I am just pointing out how the data you are posting has nothing to do with the data you are trying to refute.
I wasn't trying to refute anything. I just shared additional views of data.
I don't understand how it would be considered " a demonstration of intellectual honesty" to post something that doesn't exist.
I see.

You called me intellectually dishonest for not posting something that doesn't exist?

Good fuel for the campaign though.
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Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
Selecting "in previous 30 days" doesn't automatically update it though, it just gives you the most up to date numbers it has, which was shown in the previous age selection charts you and others posted which only went to late October for individual age groups. I would only "trust" charts with specific age ranges, that chart quoted doesn't have any dates. The other chart is out of date by 2 weeks, and there have been dramatic changes from the near hockey stick uptick in cases across all statuses (vax/unvax/partial vax). Notice how right after Dec. 12 is when cases exploded.

Interesting snap shot for sure. We likely won't see this again for some time as I'm sure the ranks of the unvaxxed will swell when unboostered get included as unvaxxed.
That's from the report I shared.

"Data in this report include the most current information extracted from COVaxON as of December 13, 2021 at approximately 7:00 a.m. and CCM as of December 13, 2021 at 1:00 p.m. The report includes COVID-19 vaccinations and cases reported up to December 12, 2021."

We may have to wait on data because testing is overwhelmed and understaffed. I'm not exactly sure why I would be the target for anger regarding lack of data, but hey what can you do?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
That's from the report I shared.

"Data in this report include the most current information extracted from COVaxON as of December 13, 2021 at approximately 7:00 a.m. and CCM as of December 13, 2021 at 1:00 p.m. The report includes COVID-19 vaccinations and cases reported up to December 12, 2021."

We may have to wait on data because testing is overwhelmed and understaffed. I'm not exactly sure why I would be the target for anger regarding lack of data, but hey what can you do?
Dunno man, I'm entertaining all arguments pro or antivax. Truth is what matters here. I don't mind being proven wrong as long as facts bear it out.
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Originally Posted By CanuckGame⏩
Now that we know the vaxxed are leading the way with covid cases, what's the data on hospitalizations?

Vaxxed cucks keeps moving the goal posts and are now saying that cases dont matter and it doesnt matter that they are leading the way in cases because the un-vaxxed are leading the way with hospitalizations.

Anyone have this data? Is this accurate?
Also Ontario data, available here:https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/onta...cinationstatus

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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Also Ontario data, available here:https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/onta...cinationstatus



Source:https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/onta...cinationstatus
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saw speculation of something like this being a possibility early on

but hey, people optd in to this drug trial....at least we now have some useful data! ty guys
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JLC, this is how trials work, new data becomes available, that's what's happening here.

can't wait to see what other negative impacts show up in the next few years.

fingers crossed that more people in the FDA don't resign over this.

EDIT: wizarded ^^^^^^^^

thanks to the trial volunteers.
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Shill JLC getting completely demolished.

Which makes you wonder, what goes trough the someone of someone like this, to waste his time posting this fearmongering nonsense. Do they get aroused by being a complete cucked to the MSM and great reset Overlords?

Yes... Yes they do.
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Flu vaccine creates antibodies for the virus, without much risk, and your body can then fight it naturally if you get it. COVID vaccine mirrors the COVID virus by spiking protein, same as the virus itself. Your body isn't immune to the virus, it's simply recognizing the spike in protein and reacting. You still haven't built antibodies for it though. You have just conditioned your body to fight it faster by recognizing it. Then the body forgets, and you have to keep reminding it over and over forever. Your immune system never gets stronger from this. In fact, if I were to guess, I would say it weakens each and every time you get a booster without having gotten the virus.

At least, that's my take. How does this translate to immunity? If you want your immune system to get stronger to fight future corona viruses, you need to get COVID or they need to create an inactive form of it. This is why people are getting sicker and sicker from corona viruses, AKA, the cold, because they are damaging their bodies over and over again in the name of fighting off the actual virus. Spiking this protein repeatedly is bound to be harmful, because, after all, that's how COVID kills you.
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Originally Posted By MisterInfinity⏩
Shill JLC getting completely demolished.

Which makes you wonder, what goes trough the someone of someone like this, to waste his time posting this fearmongering nonsense. Do they get aroused by being a complete cucked to the MSM and great reset Overlords?

Yes... Yes they do.
Demolished how though?

More cases, more hospitalizations, and more in the ICU among unvaccinated than vaccinated.

I don't see any fear mongering just presenting the data that are available.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Demolished how though?

More cases, more hospitalizations, and more in the ICU among unvaccinated than vaccinated.

I don't see any fear mongering just presenting the data that are available.
But it's trending horribly for the vaccine.

so much for that 99% efficacy we kept hearing about back in Feb.
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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN⏩
But it's trending horribly for the vaccine.

so much for that 99% efficacy we kept hearing about back in Feb.
What's trending horribly?

We were hearing on the Misc that acquired immunity from infection, despite the risks, was the way to go. But that's not looking great in terms of preventing reinfection.
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Originally Posted By StoliFun⏩
Flu vaccine creates antibodies for the virus, without much risk, and your body can then fight it naturally if you get it. COVID vaccine mirrors the COVID virus by spiking protein, same as the virus itself. Your body isn't immune to the virus, it's simply recognizing the spike in protein and reacting. You still haven't built antibodies for it though. You have just conditioned your body to fight it faster by recognizing it. Then the body forgets, and you have to keep reminding it over and over forever. Your immune system never gets stronger from this. In fact, if I were to guess, I would say it weakens each and every time you get a booster without having gotten the virus.

At least, that's my take. How does this translate to immunity? If you want your immune system to get stronger to fight future corona viruses, you need to get COVID or they need to create an inactive form of it. This is why people are getting sicker and sicker from corona viruses, AKA, the cold, because they are damaging their bodies over and over again in the name of fighting off the actual virus. Spiking this protein repeatedly is bound to be harmful, because, after all, that's how COVID kills you.
Great post. They've had 2 years to come up with that, looks like the US Army of all places might have figured it out.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
He's literally trolling you.
Fuk my troll radar is broke today.

Didn't read last lines lmao. Half of it makes sense though in the face of spike protein and actual virus recognition. Seems omicron is evading this crap with ease and having an actual inactivated virus vaccine or previous coof would be better off.
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[QUOTE=J.L.C. post_id=1653161873][URL=https://ibb.co/qsJGLJy][img]https://i.ibb.co/85Y3nYK/Screenshot-from-2021-12-25-14-34-33.png[/im][/URL]

Source:[URL=https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/#riskbyvaccinationstatus]https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/onta...cinationstatus[/URL][/QUOTE]Is this the chart that includes all 2020 hospitalization data when the vaccine didn't exist yet, and the most vulnerable were heavily impacted?
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they've lost me when they start talking about variants. they have no way of singling them out, and never talk about how it's possible the 'Delta' was completely wiped out, and all of a sudden everything is Omicron
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This debate is pointless because the means of data collection is intentionally slanted.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...accinated.html
In general, people are considered fully vaccinated: ±

2 weeks after their second dose in a 2-dose series, such as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, or
2 weeks after a single-dose vaccine, such as Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen vaccine
So what does this mean? That people 13 days out from their 2nd dose having heart attacks are counted as unvaccinated?
The data is being manipulated before it's even officially recorded. This whole thing is a genocide.

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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN⏩
Is this the chart that includes all 2020 hospitalization data when the vaccine didn't exist yet, and the most vulnerable were heavily impacted?
No.

I provided the source.
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Originally Posted By HairyWBush⏩
they've lost me when they start talking about variants. they have no way of singling them out, and never talk about how it's possible the 'Delta' was completely wiped out, and all of a sudden everything is Omicron
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They use genotyping.
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