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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN⏩
That's a fair opinion. At least you defended it unlike so many others so I respect that.I honestly think so.
Look at the obesity rate.... a very easily measurable health metric that has EXPLODED over the last 30 years... I think if you could measure mental health as easily as obesity, you'd see a very similar trajectory in the USA.
guns existed 30 years ago, blowing away a school full of kids didn't.
Look at the obesity rate.... a very easily measurable health metric that has EXPLODED over the last 30 years... I think if you could measure mental health as easily as obesity, you'd see a very similar trajectory in the USA.
guns existed 30 years ago, blowing away a school full of kids didn't.
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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN⏩
There-in lies the problem with mental health as a metric. It's extremely difficult to measure without encroaching on a lot of personal freedoms and medical information.I honestly think so.
Look at the obesity rate.... a very easily measurable health metric that has EXPLODED over the last 30 years... I think if you could measure mental health as easily as obesity, you'd see a very similar trajectory in the USA.
guns existed 30 years ago, blowing away a school full of kids didn't.
Look at the obesity rate.... a very easily measurable health metric that has EXPLODED over the last 30 years... I think if you could measure mental health as easily as obesity, you'd see a very similar trajectory in the USA.
guns existed 30 years ago, blowing away a school full of kids didn't.
With that said, I know plenty of people I don't think are mentally fit to own firearms but I couldn't tell you how to turn that into a reasonable, investigative metric of ownership.
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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN⏩
You could be right.I honestly think so.
Look at the obesity rate.... a very easily measurable health metric that has EXPLODED over the last 30 years... I think if you could measure mental health as easily as obesity, you'd see a very similar trajectory in the USA.
guns existed 30 years ago, blowing away a school full of kids didn't.
Look at the obesity rate.... a very easily measurable health metric that has EXPLODED over the last 30 years... I think if you could measure mental health as easily as obesity, you'd see a very similar trajectory in the USA.
guns existed 30 years ago, blowing away a school full of kids didn't.
My own opinion is that it's a combination of a deteriorating society and gun access. For me is comes back to the freedom vs safety argument. I've done what I can to limit my risks by living in a quiet rural area, and I am unwilling to make the trade for more safety at the expense of freedom.
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Originally Posted By chrsschb⏩
I know that the USA's OVERALL healthcare spending as a percentage of GDP has doubled since 1990, It would be interesting to see the MENTAL healthcare spending as a percentage of GDP since 1990... I feel like it must have exploded way faster than overall healthcare.There-in lies the problem with mental health as a metric. It's extremely difficult to measure without encroaching on a lot of personal freedoms and medical information.
With that said, I know plenty of people I don't think are mentally fit to own firearms but I couldn't tell you how to turn that into a reasonable, investigative metric of ownership.
With that said, I know plenty of people I don't think are mentally fit to own firearms but I couldn't tell you how to turn that into a reasonable, investigative metric of ownership.
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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN⏩
According to what I can find, the US spent 3.8 trillion on health care in 2019 but in 2018 only spent 225 billion on mental health. Can't find any current stats but that's 6%.I know that the USA's OVERALL healthcare spending as a percentage of GDP has doubled since 1990, It would be interesting to see the MENTAL healthcare spending as a percentage of GDP since 1990... I feel like it must have exploded way faster than overall healthcare.
05-26-2022, 04:39 PM
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yes. theres a very extensive history of public extreme violence (mass shootings, murder suicides, ect). the % is staggering, like 98% or so of perpetrators being on SSRIs. even the bottles say “may cause suicidal thoughts”.Unaware (srs)?
Are most of these shooters on anti-depressants?
Do they make people violent?
Are most of these shooters on anti-depressants?
Do they make people violent?
ive read many books and countless studies/articles on the subject. SSRIs work by numbing your emotions and in some cases, all kf them. people can lose their ability to love, feel interpersonal bonds, sense of consequence, and even gain suicidal and violent tendencies.
they are truly awful and yet we dish them out like candy in america, far more so than anywhere else. thats the link
covid vaxs pale in comparison to the damage big pharma has done with these. its that bad
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Stop the liberal globohomo mind cancer and it will all go away.
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Originally Posted By JaxBrah⏩
Shocked at that 98% figure. Absolutely fuked.yes. theres a very extensive history of public extreme violence (mass shootings, murder suicides, ect). the % is staggering, like 98% or so of perpetrators being on SSRIs. even the bottles say “may cause suicidal thoughts”.
ive read many books and countless studies/articles on the subject. SSRIs work by numbing your emotions and in some cases, all kf them. people can lose their ability to love, feel interpersonal bonds, sense of consequence, and even gain suicidal and violent tendencies.
they are truly awful and yet we dish them out like candy in america, far more so than anywhere else. thats the link
covid vaxs pale in comparison to the damage big pharma has done with these. its that bad
ive read many books and countless studies/articles on the subject. SSRIs work by numbing your emotions and in some cases, all kf them. people can lose their ability to love, feel interpersonal bonds, sense of consequence, and even gain suicidal and violent tendencies.
they are truly awful and yet we dish them out like candy in america, far more so than anywhere else. thats the link
covid vaxs pale in comparison to the damage big pharma has done with these. its that bad
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Originally Posted By JeepBruh⏩
This. Look at number of shootings and casualties before Columbine and compare it versus after.TV news station don't broadcast about active serial killers because they don't want more copycats. Same with people who streak at sporting events.
The first hour after a mass shooting the media does everything they can to learn more about the shooter to use it for political purposes (Race, religion, political affiliations, sexual status, etc)
Not saying this would stop shootings, but in a highly narcissistic social media driven society, the way these murderers are covered in the news certainly promotes more of them.
The first hour after a mass shooting the media does everything they can to learn more about the shooter to use it for political purposes (Race, religion, political affiliations, sexual status, etc)
Not saying this would stop shootings, but in a highly narcissistic social media driven society, the way these murderers are covered in the news certainly promotes more of them.
We also need to reintroduce morals to our culture. We have people demonizing others, which makes killing people more okay in people’s minds.
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put a security/cop or two at schools
they will still happen but this will limit some of the damage
bad things happen and always will
they will still happen but this will limit some of the damage
bad things happen and always will
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how?
stop giving attention-seekers the attention they seek
giving attention-seekers the attention they seek only ensures there will be more of the similar kind of attention-seeking many of these mass shooters are
many of those in gov and media doing it fully realize that
the massive coverage on the MSM right now is only creating more of it
many of them aren't killing kids or whoever because they just wanna kill kids or whoever, but rather because they want the sort of massive media attention like we're seeing right now
it's the same reason you don't ever give in to the demands of terrorists - because it just makes more terrorism
1) End all gun free zones as much as is humanly possible except for places like courtrooms, jails, mental institutions. Our strong gun ownership rate + gun free zones creates too many easy targets for would-be mass shooters. If someone can legally carry concealed then they should be able to do that anywhere they go as long as they are sober.
2) Stop giving so much media and gov attention to mass shootings. The mainstream media and gov are giving extreme levels of attention to mass shooters and they know that is only going to increase the likelihood of more of the same. They are intentionally, knowingly doing this knowing it will lead to more. Most people who do these things are doing it to go out with a bang and not a whimper. The bang they are seeking is that massive national attention. There should be a brief mention of it one the news in a 10-20 second news clip once or twice per channel and that's it. You can't make laws about this (or can you?) but at least we can shame those mainstream media and gov who are doing it to stop doing. They know exactly what they are doing and we all need to make them stop.
3) Stop the assaults by gov on the Second Amendment. I would go so far as to amend the 2A, adding to it to further clarify that no other federal firearms laws can be made. Some mass shooters are doing it because they want the 2A overturned
4) Get rid of the foreign gov shills on our internet. I don't have the answer how to do it but let's find one. They are pretending to be Americans and intentionally inciting racial, ethnic, political, other violence. This exists everywhere public discussion is allowed and is especially problematic at places like 8chan.
stop giving attention-seekers the attention they seek
giving attention-seekers the attention they seek only ensures there will be more of the similar kind of attention-seeking many of these mass shooters are
many of those in gov and media doing it fully realize that
the massive coverage on the MSM right now is only creating more of it
many of them aren't killing kids or whoever because they just wanna kill kids or whoever, but rather because they want the sort of massive media attention like we're seeing right now
it's the same reason you don't ever give in to the demands of terrorists - because it just makes more terrorism
1) End all gun free zones as much as is humanly possible except for places like courtrooms, jails, mental institutions. Our strong gun ownership rate + gun free zones creates too many easy targets for would-be mass shooters. If someone can legally carry concealed then they should be able to do that anywhere they go as long as they are sober.
2) Stop giving so much media and gov attention to mass shootings. The mainstream media and gov are giving extreme levels of attention to mass shooters and they know that is only going to increase the likelihood of more of the same. They are intentionally, knowingly doing this knowing it will lead to more. Most people who do these things are doing it to go out with a bang and not a whimper. The bang they are seeking is that massive national attention. There should be a brief mention of it one the news in a 10-20 second news clip once or twice per channel and that's it. You can't make laws about this (or can you?) but at least we can shame those mainstream media and gov who are doing it to stop doing. They know exactly what they are doing and we all need to make them stop.
3) Stop the assaults by gov on the Second Amendment. I would go so far as to amend the 2A, adding to it to further clarify that no other federal firearms laws can be made. Some mass shooters are doing it because they want the 2A overturned
4) Get rid of the foreign gov shills on our internet. I don't have the answer how to do it but let's find one. They are pretending to be Americans and intentionally inciting racial, ethnic, political, other violence. This exists everywhere public discussion is allowed and is especially problematic at places like 8chan.
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Originally Posted By mryamamoto⏩
I also think that what deters more attacks in China is the swift and brutal execution of the perps with no mercy or fanfare. In the US on the other hand, every effort is made to protect/defend/humanize the criminal (especially if they are politiclaly expedient).Let's compare the two countries, since 2010 -
Chinese population 1.5 billion.514 000schools with 260 million students. approx. 90 teachers and students killed in attacks. All knife attacks, except 1 shooting.
US population - 334 million.131 000schools with 77 million students. approx 236 teachers and students killed in attacks.
You have to take into account that the schools in China do not have armed security presence, like the US.
The fact is that a man with a knife can be flatlined by one shot from the security guard, the weak incel can be taken out with a ****ing chair to his head by a teacher. Whereas as history has shown, a perpetrator armed with an automatic weapon can overpower the security guards and would surely make the teachers piss their pants (even the granny who's teaching history, finished her military boot camp with flying colors and is carrying a Benelli M4 under her summer dress).
A sharp object can injure one person at a time, bullet can kill many. You can run away from a man with a knife, you can't outrun a 7.62. You can hide from a knife, a bullet will even find you through a locked door. Common logic.
Chinese population 1.5 billion.514 000schools with 260 million students. approx. 90 teachers and students killed in attacks. All knife attacks, except 1 shooting.
US population - 334 million.131 000schools with 77 million students. approx 236 teachers and students killed in attacks.
You have to take into account that the schools in China do not have armed security presence, like the US.
The fact is that a man with a knife can be flatlined by one shot from the security guard, the weak incel can be taken out with a ****ing chair to his head by a teacher. Whereas as history has shown, a perpetrator armed with an automatic weapon can overpower the security guards and would surely make the teachers piss their pants (even the granny who's teaching history, finished her military boot camp with flying colors and is carrying a Benelli M4 under her summer dress).
A sharp object can injure one person at a time, bullet can kill many. You can run away from a man with a knife, you can't outrun a 7.62. You can hide from a knife, a bullet will even find you through a locked door. Common logic.
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Originally Posted By FarmersSon⏩
Western europe dont have the same level of mass school shootings as usa so i do think there is a solution.I don't think there are any really good practical solutions. I'm not in favor of making any changes in laws. The ideal change would be to fix families, that would be a win/win for everyone, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Might be able to make some incremental changes by increasing security.
Mass shootings are ugly, and people really respond to them emotionally, but I think if mass shootings are someone's justification for more gun control they are missing the forest for the trees. Mass shootings make up a tiny fraction of firearm related deaths. Suicide is actually the largest portion, followed by non-mass shooting homicides. Accidental gun deaths occur more frequently than mass shootings.
Mass shootings are ugly, and people really respond to them emotionally, but I think if mass shootings are someone's justification for more gun control they are missing the forest for the trees. Mass shootings make up a tiny fraction of firearm related deaths. Suicide is actually the largest portion, followed by non-mass shooting homicides. Accidental gun deaths occur more frequently than mass shootings.
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Originally Posted By ViolentZ⏩
You know I was looking at gun laws in Europe and this is what I saw most oftenWestern europe dont have the same level of mass school shootings as usa so i do think there is a solution.
-individuals with a criminal history, mental disorders, alcohol or substance abuse are denied the right to own a weapon
-individuals have to be certified/trained/ or a member of a government-approved gun club to own a weapon.
-Firearms have to be securely stored in approved containers and police can come to check (usually they give you a 2 day notice they will come)
-In some countries, there are restrictions on how much ammunition you can have.
So basically you have to have no criminal background; must be of sound mind, no alcohol or drug abuse, no history of mental illness (I'm not sure how they find out), and you absolutely must have training/pass a test/pass a written exam before owning a gun.
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Originally Posted By Shortfuze⏩
so why don't we have this.....?You know I was looking at gun laws in Europe and this is what I saw most often
-individuals with a criminal history, mental disorders, alcohol or substance abuse are denied the right to own a weapon
-individuals have to be certified/trained/ or a member of a government-approved gun club to own a weapon.
-Firearms have to be securely stored in approved containers and police can come to check (usually they give you a 2 day notice they will come)
-In some countries, there are restrictions on how much ammunition you can have.
So basically you have to have no criminal background; must be of sound mind, no alcohol or drug abuse, no history of mental illness (I'm not sure how they find out), and you absolutely must have training/pass a test/pass a written exam before owning a gun.
-individuals with a criminal history, mental disorders, alcohol or substance abuse are denied the right to own a weapon
-individuals have to be certified/trained/ or a member of a government-approved gun club to own a weapon.
-Firearms have to be securely stored in approved containers and police can come to check (usually they give you a 2 day notice they will come)
-In some countries, there are restrictions on how much ammunition you can have.
So basically you have to have no criminal background; must be of sound mind, no alcohol or drug abuse, no history of mental illness (I'm not sure how they find out), and you absolutely must have training/pass a test/pass a written exam before owning a gun.
I don't think banning incels from owning guns is crazy
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We can’t, no such thing as peace until Jesus comes back. Such is reality of life. In the last days people’s love will grow cold so this is expected. People don’t realize this is a spiritual warfare. No amount of laws or enforcements will change anything except take law abiding citizen’s freedom away. The government loves to instill fear on citizens to gain more control.
Ban public schools so parents can spend time with their children and do some parenting instead of chasing after money. Sad how most parents spend more time with coworkers than their own children. Then the public school system brainwashes children into God hating, evolution cultists, ******** and ***** dependent failures.
Ban public schools so parents can spend time with their children and do some parenting instead of chasing after money. Sad how most parents spend more time with coworkers than their own children. Then the public school system brainwashes children into God hating, evolution cultists, ******** and ***** dependent failures.
05-26-2022, 06:34 PM
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So we should ignore shootings?how?
stop giving attention-seekers the attention they seek
giving attention-seekers the attention they seek only ensures there will be more of the similar kind of attention-seeking many of these mass shooters are
many of those in gov and media doing it fully realize that
the massive coverage on the MSM right now is only creating more of it
many of them aren't killing kids or whoever because they just wanna kill kids or whoever, but rather because they want the sort of massive media attention like we're seeing right now
it's the same reason you don't ever give in to the demands of terrorists - because it just makes more terrorism
1) End all gun free zones as much as is humanly possible except for places like courtrooms, jails, mental institutions. Our strong gun ownership rate + gun free zones creates too many easy targets for would-be mass shooters. If someone can legally carry concealed then they should be able to do that anywhere they go as long as they are sober.
2) Stop giving so much media and gov attention to mass shootings. The mainstream media and gov are giving extreme levels of attention to mass shooters and they know that is only going to increase the likelihood of more of the same. They are intentionally, knowingly doing this knowing it will lead to more. Most people who do these things are doing it to go out with a bang and not a whimper. The bang they are seeking is that massive national attention. There should be a brief mention of it one the news in a 10-20 second news clip once or twice per channel and that's it. You can't make laws about this (or can you?) but at least we can shame those mainstream media and gov who are doing it to stop doing. They know exactly what they are doing and we all need to make them stop.
3) Stop the assaults by gov on the Second Amendment. I would go so far as to amend the 2A, adding to it to further clarify that no other federal firearms laws can be made. Some mass shooters are doing it because they want the 2A overturned
4) Get rid of the foreign gov shills on our internet. I don't have the answer how to do it but let's find one. They are pretending to be Americans and intentionally inciting racial, ethnic, political, other violence. This exists everywhere public discussion is allowed and is especially problematic at places like 8chan.
stop giving attention-seekers the attention they seek
giving attention-seekers the attention they seek only ensures there will be more of the similar kind of attention-seeking many of these mass shooters are
many of those in gov and media doing it fully realize that
the massive coverage on the MSM right now is only creating more of it
many of them aren't killing kids or whoever because they just wanna kill kids or whoever, but rather because they want the sort of massive media attention like we're seeing right now
it's the same reason you don't ever give in to the demands of terrorists - because it just makes more terrorism
1) End all gun free zones as much as is humanly possible except for places like courtrooms, jails, mental institutions. Our strong gun ownership rate + gun free zones creates too many easy targets for would-be mass shooters. If someone can legally carry concealed then they should be able to do that anywhere they go as long as they are sober.
2) Stop giving so much media and gov attention to mass shootings. The mainstream media and gov are giving extreme levels of attention to mass shooters and they know that is only going to increase the likelihood of more of the same. They are intentionally, knowingly doing this knowing it will lead to more. Most people who do these things are doing it to go out with a bang and not a whimper. The bang they are seeking is that massive national attention. There should be a brief mention of it one the news in a 10-20 second news clip once or twice per channel and that's it. You can't make laws about this (or can you?) but at least we can shame those mainstream media and gov who are doing it to stop doing. They know exactly what they are doing and we all need to make them stop.
3) Stop the assaults by gov on the Second Amendment. I would go so far as to amend the 2A, adding to it to further clarify that no other federal firearms laws can be made. Some mass shooters are doing it because they want the 2A overturned
4) Get rid of the foreign gov shills on our internet. I don't have the answer how to do it but let's find one. They are pretending to be Americans and intentionally inciting racial, ethnic, political, other violence. This exists everywhere public discussion is allowed and is especially problematic at places like 8chan.
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Originally Posted By xbluexhawkx⏩
I dunno about incels but a lot of people might cry racism if such regulations were enacted; probably say that these rules disproportionately affect minorities and they will be denied the right to protect themselves etc etc etc.so why don't we have this.....?
I don't think banning incels from owning guns is crazy
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Originally Posted By xbluexhawkx⏩
ask the gop ****sso why don't we have this.....?
I don't think banning incels from owning guns is crazy
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Originally Posted By iloveus⏩
Well that is essentially the Republican status quo response to this issue.So we should ignore shootings?
They'll occasionally throw out a soundbite about mental 'elf while simultaneously working out how to drastically cut funding for mental health services.
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I have a solution..
Give everyone nukes.
Give everyone nukes.
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05-26-2022, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted By sgregor249⏩
A waiting period won't do ****. Anyone wanting a gun to hurt others will just have to wait a little longer. If they can wait until they're old enough to buy a gun, they'd be able to wait the extra time with the background check.-no guns for diagnosed mentally ill
-raise age to buy long gun to match age to buy hand gun
-private party sales: seller must provide proof of background check on buyer to have gun unregistered from their name
-maybe a waiting period when purchasing a gun
-raise age to buy long gun to match age to buy hand gun
-private party sales: seller must provide proof of background check on buyer to have gun unregistered from their name
-maybe a waiting period when purchasing a gun
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05-26-2022, 07:12 PM
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Put a father in every home.
Do away with the homo shyt
And no everyone isn’t special
Kids who grow up realizing this will never shoot up a school. I promise.
Do away with the homo shyt
And no everyone isn’t special
Kids who grow up realizing this will never shoot up a school. I promise.
05-26-2022, 07:25 PM
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ban ALL guns
ban ALL gun parts + accessories
roll M2 Bradley's down suburban neighborhoods and execute all resistance to confiscation (most cucks won't have explosives to resist)
no one cares about rural resistance just drop a 500 lb bomb on their house and be done with
regulate CNC machines + 3D printers + track the parts used to make them
regularly audit ALL machine shops
secure the southern border with defenses that would shame the Berlin Wall or Korea's 38th parallel
check EVERY single international package for prohibited goods
mass surveillance of all communication via artificial intelligence
kill or capture raids on all suspected terrorists (execute them immediately without trial to avoid risk of violence)
finally, enjoy the utopia we have created
ban ALL gun parts + accessories
roll M2 Bradley's down suburban neighborhoods and execute all resistance to confiscation (most cucks won't have explosives to resist)
no one cares about rural resistance just drop a 500 lb bomb on their house and be done with
regulate CNC machines + 3D printers + track the parts used to make them
regularly audit ALL machine shops
secure the southern border with defenses that would shame the Berlin Wall or Korea's 38th parallel
check EVERY single international package for prohibited goods
mass surveillance of all communication via artificial intelligence
kill or capture raids on all suspected terrorists (execute them immediately without trial to avoid risk of violence)
finally, enjoy the utopia we have created
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