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post 1666160033 08-15-2022, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted By ymer⏩
And how long does it take for you to be evicted? by the time you are homeless you have been screwing around for 2+ years, there is a very long timespan for running out of savings and selling all your belongings to survive until you end up in the streets.
Strong bias. I would say that having 2+ years prior to eviction is the exception, not the norm.
40% of all households that are not current on their rent say they are likely to be evicted or foreclosed within the next two months. This represents about 5.4 million households, according to the report.
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This is from a Bloomberg report less than a week old.

5.4 million households potentially evicted or foreclosed in 2 months time.

So give them all 2 weeks to figure it out then start lining them up to be killed and dig some mass graves?

And, in case you didn't catch it in my last post, only 17% of the homeless are classified as chronic/long term. Most move in and out of homelessness.
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post 1666160203 08-15-2022, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Many people fall into drinking and drug use as a way to cope with being homeless.



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In my experiences with the homeless the alcohol\drug use is the reason they're homeless and they just don't really want to improve themselves and most actually like being homeless rather than taking on the responsibility of a normal life. There are exceptions however they are few and far between
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Not all homeless people are the same though.
The vast majority of homeless are the same though. Those other 'one off' categories are just so pseudo intellectuals have something to talk about.
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Originally Posted By ymer⏩
How so?

If you end up homeless is because you exhausted all your resources, you don't have any friends willing to help you, your family despises you and no bank is willing to loan you any money.

Actually it has to be 5+ years to burn all your bridges, so absolutely every homeless person deserves to be where they are.
Again, bias.

- most people have fewer friends with age; men more so than women

- resources can be wiped out by a major illness, divorce, business failure, etc.

- not everyone has family to turn to...my parents and grandparents are deceased, other family are distant or not financially well off themselves

- I've preserved my credit though I was flirting with foreclosure last year because income I was depending on did not come through due to government inadequacy/shutdowns

I'm dealing so far and hope to get into a better position. However it is certainly not guaranteed especially given current economic conditions.

I've accumulated camping gear just in case.
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I live in a city that's small enough to the point where you never really saw too many homeless folks wondering about. It was so uncommon compared to a legit major city that there were like 3 to 5 homeless guys who would wonder the town, and everyone got familiar with them and their traveling habits as they walked around the city every day. They didn't beg for chit either, it was like it was a life choice they were aware of and decided to roll with. So they didn't bother anyone at all.

Over the past year to year and half or so, I've seen homeless people out begging for crap with signs and all the works, sometimes even with kids standing around with them to try further guilt tripping people. They'll look you right in the eye and try to guilt trip the chit out of you into giving them cash ( ever food or something like that, just cash). I just try to avoid them, but it's pretty lame when you're stuck at a red traffic light for a couple minutes with a small group of apparently homeless/poor people whining that they want free cash from you.

Also, it never fails, the groups are always, ALWAYS lead by a grown, working age, able bodied man. Places were hiring all over the damn city for a couple years there, and those chumps had the audacity to still pull that bs. Total bums.
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Originally Posted By Tommy
In my experiences with the homeless the alcohol\drug use is the reason they're homeless and they just don't really want to improve themselves and most actually like being homeless rather than taking on the responsibility of a normal life. There are exceptions however they are few and far between
Oh I absolutely believe that some percentage are homeless by choice/preference. No argument.

Again, the chronically homeless are only about 17% of the total homeless. So even if we go with 80% of the chronic homeless being homeless by choice that would only be 13% of the total homeless population.
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Originally Posted By ymer⏩
You seem dead set on justifying and shifting the blame.

If you're homeless, 99.99% chance you deserve it.

Are we going to bend ourselves backwards to give a chance to that 0.01%? Apparently you are willing to, since you were part of the original paniccels at the start of the scamdemic, you're easily deceived.
The irony.

You appear to believe in a just world- that people get what they deserve.




I don't believe in a just world. I believe in "the law of the jungle" I suppose, or that "you get whatever you CAN". I believe you had better keep your head on a swivel, be careful who you trust, and at least be open to the possibility that the "other guy" is a totally ruthless bastard who will happily screw you over for his own purposes.

I'm not "shifting the blame". I want to put the blame right where it belongs. Yes, part of that is individual weakness or lack of effort. However it is foolish to pretend that a good chunk of blame shouldn't fall on to "the system", aka: how money is created and distributed, and how labor/common people are exploited.

You can believe in:

personal responsibility

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system failure

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Bring back public mental health clinincs and asylums for the mentally ill. It's way cheaper in the long run and better for everyone. Here's your homeless crysis explained in a neat graph.



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Originally Posted By ChunkBuster⏩
Take them all to Alaska then set them free in their new home.
I'm in the twin cities right now and the amount of homeless here is insane, despite how brutal the winters are. Idk how they do it up here.

I agree with outlawing panhandling. It won't solve the issue, but it'll keep them out of certain areas. I see them in regular suburbs around Chicago like Oak Brook. They're at every intersection and half of them don't even look homeless.

I feel bad for the truly mentally ill, but the more I learn about them the less sympathy I have. I went down a rabbit hole of watching interviews with the homeless, and the crimes they commit and they way they treat one another is horrifying. Many simply don't want to work and will make any excuse under the sun in order not to.
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Originally Posted By FrostF⏩
The greatest failure in modern day governance is the oversight of homeless. These people could have been shipped to Afghanistan and either left to rot or make a life for themselves.
Priti Patel was trying to do that with the migrants that keep crossing over here but to Rwanda. As usual the European Court of Human Rights cucked our gov't and stopped every case.
Originally Posted By coast2coastam⏩
I agree with outlawing panhandling. It won't solve the issue, but it'll keep them out of certain areas. I see them in regular suburbs around Chicago like Oak Brook. They're at every intersection and half of them don't even look homeless.
Beggers in London can make £35-50k/yr. The median average salary for full-time workers in the UK is £31,285.
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Originally Posted By suave2000⏩
Bring back public mental health clinincs and asylums for the mentally ill. It's way cheaper in the long run and better for everyone. Here's your homeless crysis explained in a neat graph.



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for once I agree with this commie. Alot of homeless people are so mentally ill that if they had family they'd be committed, but they don't so they aren't. We have judges/DSS stepping in and taking over children's lives all the time "for their own good". I don't know why a schizo homeless person who is incapable of making their own rational decisions should be any different, although saying this goes against almost everything else I believe lol. Commit them and detox them and treat them and see if we can get them operating in society. If not, back to the streets or whatever, but at least take a month of their lives or so to give them a chance.
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Originally Posted By zknarc⏩
Beggers in London can make £35-50k/yr. The median average salary for full-time workers in the UK is £31,285.
I've heard they get into fights over the best spots here. I'd bet if they treated it like a 9 to 5 they'd make way more than that. Many in Chicago aren't really homeless, they just take the cta downtown, beg all day, then ride back to their apartments further out.
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Originally Posted By coast2coastam⏩
I've heard they get into fights over the best spots here. I'd bet if they treated it like a 9 to 5 they'd make way more than that. Many in Chicago aren't really homeless, they just take the cta downtown, beg all day, then ride back to their apartments further out.
We get people coming here from places like Romania and Albania just to beg.
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Instead of sending money to Ukraine. Use. It to help homeless.
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Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
for once I agree with this commie. Alot of homeless people are so mentally ill that if they had family they'd be committed, but they don't so they aren't. We have judges/DSS stepping in and taking over children's lives all the time "for their own good". I don't know why a schizo homeless person who is incapable of making their own rational decisions should be any different, although saying this goes against almost everything else I believe lol. Commit them and detox them and treat them and see if we can get them operating in society. If not, back to the streets or whatever, but at least take a month of their lives or so to give them a chance.
What ended those programs were doctors checking themselves in anonymously to see what it was like, being given meds they did not want and then being forced to stay. They're a way to imprison people without due process. If they do bring them back there would need to be a stricter process of admittance.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
In the longer term-


Increase wages and/or reduce rents:





Article:
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/re...ming-crisis-us


Create more mental health facilities:




"In 1955 in America there was 340 inpatient beds for people with mental health issues per 100,000 people. In 2007 it was 17 beds per 100,000."


Immediately?

- organized "camping" areas with some sort of fencing/security cameras/water taps and port a johns

- fund the damn food banks already to give people being pinched by high rents someplace to turn to for relief in their budgets



Link:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...tion-messaging

Hey, here's a thought...instead of spending more billions to Ukraine how about let's stabilize the economic situation in our own country? Maybe prevent more people from falling into homelessness?





Posted previously that one of the 2 mega food banks in DFW is burning through $1 million a month right now and have had to reduce the amount of food that they give to each family by half because they have such a high demand. I promise the food banks aren't handing out high dollar fancy foods either.
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Some kind of prison-like system, not explicitly named so, with tiers like

Rehab
short-term with job market assistance
long-term with benefits assistance

so many could essentially live in a "project" of inoffensive subsidized housing (a better use of money than most of government spending)

and those who fall off only step down to levels with guardrails in place.

A century ago, I think single men and women with below middle class income lived in boarding houses probably similar to this.
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facilities much like slab city type areas far away from the general public

however the elite know that homelessness causes the middle class citizens to level up to escape this visually surrounding the're habitats
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Put them in a reality TV game show like squid game. Have it a continuous episodic show until eventually majority of the homeless population is killed and reduced and the ones that win will be millionaires
if you ain't got no money, this is about to be a real short conversation, you dig?
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Originally Posted By seanb1979⏩
What ended those programs were doctors checking themselves in anonymously to see what it was like, being given meds they did not want and then being forced to stay. They're a way to imprison people without due process. If they do bring them back there would need to be a stricter process of admittance.
yeah for sure its a scary thing. too bad we can't trust the government to run anything correctly.
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Originally Posted By itmaybeover⏩
Put them in a reality TV game show like squid game. Have it a continuous episodic show until eventually majority of the homeless population is killed and reduced and the ones that win will be millionaires
Wouldn't even need to be like that. Just drop them on an island with supplies, somewhere warm, and use drones with camera to document how their society evolves. The only law would be whatever laws they made for themselves. It would be super interesting to let it play out. The revenue from the stream could easily pay for supplies to be sent.
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Originally Posted By natypes⏩
Is kill them all not an option? I was a leo for 15 years in a fairly big city, homeless are fuking scum. They commit so many fuking crimes and bring down the quality of life so bad wherever they are.
I’m talking to an Asian homeless lady and she got slammed on her face which left a bruise. I was kinda pissed but then again this lady seems to be rebellious. I’m trying to help but have no clue how I can help lmao.
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Lots of nihilism here.

They need locked up.
The government can't do it.
They're annoying so **** 'em.

Katya showed more than 80% are short-term. The lack of a safety net does not make sense anymore because the west is not innovating on a world full of untapped capitalism anymore.

This number will probably increase a lot

The majority of Western capitalist countries use government for a lot of things and succeed, regardless the efficiency loss in parts.
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