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post 1667352633 09-05-2022, 10:18 AM
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They should have just had an Easterlings specific plot. Maybe the Black Elf will come to find out he has ancestors from Rhûn, but too late now...he's already tokenized.
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Originally Posted By CrimsonSteel⏩
They should have just had an Easterlings specific plot. Maybe the Black Elf will come to find out he has ancestors from Rhûn, but too late now...he's already tokenized.
The problem with the show is that there is no backstory of anything except Gala's bro getting rekt and her wanting to avenge him. They could easily explain things if they wanted to with a 1-2 min clip showing something like an ancient group of his ancestors explaining his storyline but writers now are lazy af.
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post 1667353663 09-05-2022, 10:39 AM
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How come there are no arabs?
post 1667355303 09-05-2022, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted By Sinan09400⏩
Black skin comes from high melanin levels which is associated with generations of exposure to direct sunlight

Those elves all live in the woods and have little sunlight, chances are very low that theyd evolve to be black even if they did wouldnt that affect all of them? And if I'm not mistaken Tolkien had actual black people living in the south. So those people went to Elven lands and bred with them? Thats the only explaination

Also that Amazon show is set many years before LOTR. What happened to all the blacks elves? Why didnt they sign up for the war? Where were they?



Sorry didnt watch the show pls aware me.
A lot of shows made by British people use "Tokenism" which is a white racist technique to include "blacks" to make the writers look virtuous.

Tokenism is a way for writers to SEEM like they are great people who care about black people. However, they are not creating "black stories" they are just sticking blacks in stories with no reason for them to be there.

Netflix had some magic show set in Russia and suddenly some loud "in charge" black woman shows up and she's the commander. Other than ordering people around in some scene, she did not have much to do.

Why would a black woman be in charge of some military in Russia?

The Witcher is another magic show and that is supposed to be set in extremely ancient Poland, and several characters are black. I think they have black elves as well.

There's a Sherlock Holmes show where Dr Watson is a black guy. The chances of Watson being a black doctor in the the beginning of the 20th century is zero. So, they made him black to make him black and it doesn't matter if it makes sense.

All of this is racist and not positive. It also spreads hate toward blacks.

If they explain where the elves come from, that would be awesome. If not then it's a racist product of white people who do not know how to write a story including miniorities.
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post 1667355803 09-05-2022, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted By freeburn⏩
Do you understand the difference between historically accurate fiction films or films just based on real life events

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Fantasy that could never be real will never be real and has no basis in history and can be written however the writer sees fit
Exactly. A lot of people here are idiots. You gave him a... shall we say... free burn?
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post 1667356003 09-05-2022, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted By freeburn⏩
Do you understand the difference between historically accurate fiction films or films just based on real life events

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Fantasy that could never be real will never be real and has no basis in historyand can be written however the writer sees fit
That's exactly what Tolkien did and also why people are criticizing this chit series because it completely ignores the book material and is made by a bunch of racist people.
post 1667356013 09-05-2022, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted By Kawhilights⏩
Does Tolkien ever explicitly mention all members are white? Is it actually canon somewhere or are people just being retarded because they don’t like seeing non whites in shows?
Everyone is white in the story.

It's the same thing with comics and most novels.

People write what they know. So, writers have to work hard to create stories about other cultures.

On Amazon now there's a cool Yul Brynner movie called Empire of the Sun.

It's from the 60s and it's about a tribe of Native Americans clashing with the Aztecs. So, it's about a war going on that Europeans at the time had no clue about. So, that's a cool story and there's nothing like it today.

However, if you watch the film Brynner is the only one who looks good. Everyone else is white with blue eyes and so on.

It takes a lot of effort to write stories about people who have nothing to do with you. So, a white person is going to write about white people unless they are doing a lot of research.

In the Tolkien stories there's the implication that evil people from the south are like Arabs.

Europe had a LOT of hellish invasions from Arabs and so that makes sense.

However, black people were not doing a lot of things that British people would be thinking about.
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post 1667356113 09-05-2022, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted By freeburn⏩
Do you understand the difference between historically accurate fiction films or films just based on real life events

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Fantasy that could never be real will never be real and has no basis in history and can be written however the writer sees fit
You destroy your own argument here. Have you ever read Lotr? He wrote in detail about the characters physical appearance. Ignoring it is either lazy or intentional.

Tolkien writes, "ghastly white skin and auburn hair."

And they’ll cast Whoopie Goldberg in a wig just to make sure there’s black people in a film. It’s ridiculous.

Again, if you’ve never read Tolkien’s work you wouldn’t understand why it’s causing an uproar. And if you haven’t read it, then why are you stirring up **** here?
Meticulous writing with no stone unturned. That sort of detail is why they books are so long.
post 1667356423 09-05-2022, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted By WestAfrica⏩
The problem with the show is that there is no backstory of anything except Gala's bro getting rekt and her wanting to avenge him. They could easily explain things if they wanted to with a 1-2 min clip showing something like an ancient group of his ancestors explaining his storyline but writers now are lazy af.
Yea, the writing is usually the main issue. These writers clearly have disdain for Tolkien and his work at worst. At best they actually are fans, but erroneously think they can improve it.
Tolkien wrote that sh!t in the trenches of a world war, and these ****gits in an air conditioned Amazon board room just sh!t all over his lore, thenrelease the reboot on the anniversary of his death. For that reason I don't think they are sincere fans.
Just more lazy scum trying to "subvert" existing franchises so they have a built-in fanbase, but instead of treating the fanbase with respect they debase and demonize it.

I will say the one thing it seems they got right, just from the clips and screenshots I've seen, is the orcs. Really cool designs, the animal skull masks and sh!t. But everything else looks CW level. Saw some clips of Galadriel basically stank-facing Elrond, makes me not even want to watch at all.

You enjoying the show? Or is it really lazy? Does it feel like Lord of the Rings? Does it even reach "The Hobbit" level?
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Originally Posted By freeburn⏩
Do you understand the difference between historically accurate fiction films or films just based on real life events

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Fantasy that could never be real will never be real and has no basis in history and can be written however the writer sees fit
In this case, the issue is BAD WRITING.

Nearly all Woke shows are written badly.

The magic of a story is that it sucks you in because it's believable no matter how wild. So, Superman is an impossible story but the character of Superman is that of a very nice and caring guy, so that's believable. Then, because we like him, the flying and so forth is okay because we want to see what he does.

It's great writing if you can sell a very wild idea.

Woke writing has things that don't make sense like tiny women with no superpowers beating up giant men. That is stupid and makes the story unbelievable because women cannot beat up a group of men.

Almost no one has thought about Africans as Vikings, elves, dwarves, etc. That is stupid as the idea is not something anyone expects.

It's the same as having a story about an African tribe and there's one white guy in it and the writers never tell you how he got there. On top of that, he's better at everything than the black tribesmen.

If that's in a story, there better be an awesome explanation. Woke stories do not have an explanation and so they are bad writing with exaggerated characters based purely on race or sex. On top of that, they never focus on Asian, Indian, or any other race except blacks.

Nearly all of the writers are white males.

They are engaging in Tokenism, which is bad writing with racism added.

That's why this stuff is terrible and it's not just "creativity" it is in fact the opposite.
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Originally Posted By Deathstroke⏩
One of the elves has gold teeth and those itchy cornrows??????? Wtf
Wot? Didnt watch so Im unaware

We have gypsy romani elves now? Cant wait to see ****** Elves:

Brb Rashkapoorolas what does your elf eyes see?

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Originally Posted By TurkBrah⏩
How come there are no arabs?
Remember that dude who blew up the wall in the two towers movie?

There’s your answer they don’t live long enough to stick around
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I swear literally every single member of the cast was required to be gay.

but who was Aragorn?
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Idk if I'm enjoying it, only two episodes so far. Everything is really slow, I'm not sure why they picked that actress to play Gala. I'm sure she is decent in modern day roles where its regular life, but in a fantasy/sci fi/action film she doesn't fit. Her face is weird too when she's trying to act tough. In comparing films/shows from 20-30 years ago to now they producers make too many storylines and have to many characters to actually care about what happens to people. The Hobbit was whatever, one book into three movies diluted the fk out of it. Idk why producers can't just make a show about just action and storylines that are fast paced, everything is slow and is filled with chitty plots like the Horfoot kunts and the Black elf/Hume lady.

It can't really feel like LOTR bc there won't ever be characters that you like enough or engagements that captivate you. Theres no feelsgoodman moments bc everything is done so fast, the pay off isn't there. In the Two Towers the Helms Deep fight had 2-3 of those moments, "Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth day, at dawn look to the east." Literally a top 10 feelgood movie moment, the Humes and Elves were about to fight to the death and then at the last second Gandalf saved them. There won't be any of that in this show, bc there is alot of emphasize on chitty side characters whose story does nothing for the overall story.
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Originally Posted By WestAfrica⏩
Idk if I'm enjoying it, only two episodes so far. Everything is really slow, I'm not sure why they picked that actress to play Gala. I'm sure she is decent in modern day roles where its regular life, but in a fantasy/sci fi/action film she doesn't fit. Her face is weird too when she's trying to act tough. In comparing films/shows from 20-30 years ago to now they producers make too many storylines and have to many characters to actually care about what happens to people. The Hobbit was whatever, one book into three movies diluted the fk out of it. Idk why producers can't just make a show about just action and storylines that are fast paced, everything is slow and is filled with chitty plots like the Horfoot kunts and the Black elf/Hume lady.

It can't really feel like LOTR bc there won't ever be characters that you like enough or engagements that captivate you. Theres no feelsgoodman moments bc everything is done so fast, the pay off isn't there. In the Two Towers the Helms Deep fight had 2-3 of those moments, "Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth day, at dawn look to the east." Literally a top 10 feelgood movie moment, the Humes and Elves were about to fight to the death and then at the last second Gandalf saved them. There won't be any of that in this show, bc there is alot of emphasize on chitty side characters whose story does nothing for the overall story.
Ya, I agree, Hobbit was diluted as fuk. Should have been one big 2 1/2 - 3 1/2 hour movie. The book is such a nice, quick read. At least when those movies got roasted accordingly, the people roasting them weren't struggle session'd for having standards.
This show looks even worse. The clips I've seen of the Galadriel actress are odd. She's doing all these weird facial twitches. I swear Gen Z are obsessed with over-emotive facial expressions due to TikTok, and Hollywood is trying way too hard to capitalize.
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Originally Posted By Sinan09400⏩
Bruh chits not real world. I grew up with Lotr it had only white people in it thats how I accepted it.

LOTR of my childhood had dragons and orcs etc. That is not s problem. Ask me if they presented dragons differently then itd be an issue

Theyre just ruining the image in my head. Its like blacks playing in a mongolian movie or japanese people playing in a movie set in 10th century Africa
It's all about perspective when I read the books I didn't think Hobbits were black but I envisioned them as darker skinned.

I'm okay with what they're doing with Rings of Power. All of the ethnic characters are brand new characters its not like they made Elrond hispanic or something.

It's fine.
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Black elf could exist if he's a half elf like Elrond. I'm sure some elf maiden got Tyroned at some point.
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
Why are there no Mexican or Asian elves ?
what about chinese and indian elves?

mongolians?

russians?

fukking racist bigots.
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I’m a pretty big LOTR fan and pretty antiwoke, but tbh idc too much about the race chit in the new show. It’s decent.
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Originally Posted By lightsarefallin⏩
It's fantasy - all made up. You might be looking into this too much srs. I doubt fantasy writers consider melanin levels of characters especially considering that other characters can shoot magic out of a crooked wooden stick and fly around on strange, highly improbable animals.
Tolkien made up legit languages for each race, thousands of Pages of pre-Lotr Lore including physical descriptions of each race & character.

Randomly putting blacks here & there just takes away from everything Tolkien created for no reason other than scoring woke points.

Race is one thing that i Can deal with but the Worst part about the woke movement is the female empowerment. The fact that Galadriel is made into a warrior is enough for me to never Watch a second of that show.
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