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post 1667739883 09-12-2022, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
We're still the highest number of Christians % wise, that much hasn't changed. The bar keeps getting lower and people tend to live up to expectations. Maybe one day things will change. Who knows?
Also the highest rate of murders, fatherlessness and abortions. Religion is just one aspect of traditionalism
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Originally Posted By Deathstroke⏩
I didn’t say he was damned yet. He is able to roam now as are his falling angels. His legion that have become known as demons. I believe he does know it’s his fate. Right now just wants take as many Souls With him as possible. No he’s not burning now. I didn’t say that.
Are all spirits on earth then? Dead and alive?
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Originally Posted By Deathstroke⏩
I didn’t say he was damned yet. He is able to roam now as are his falling angels. His legion that have become known as demons. I believe he does know it’s his fate. Right now just wants take as many Souls With him as possible. No he’s not burning now. I didn’t say that.
Satan and his crew stood up to an abusive father, and because their father is so ****ed in the head, he's going to torture them for eternity. That entity, whatever way you look at it, is ****ing psycho.

He doesn't enact justice. It's a power play, it's a sick game. He just happened to give us the capacity to understand it which further cements how ****ed he is.

Consider how detached from our reality is with the account of Job. After all is said and done and Job loses everything, God rewards him with an abundance, wealth, and more sons and daughters. And that's supposed to suffice? That's supposed to undo the trauma that Job went through? The loss? lul, what? Strong everything right there. It's unhinged, and when Job questions God and God answer him with drivel asking him where he was when he created all things, that's more proof he simply doesn't and cannot understand the things that matter to us.

For our supposed creator, he truly doesn't know what we need. Add that to the fact that it was him who crippled us in the first place. lulz
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There is no hell for your soul. Hell is only for the demons. Humans either perish completely or live eternally.

There may be some wiggle room on "waiting for judgement" in hell.

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."

that sentence would make no sense if you believed human souls go to hell.
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how about they are all phucking insane???
Originally Posted By OLawdQuan⏩
I don’t care about stupid theories about religion, I only care about the practicality of it all. And the world as it is now is what happens when you take god out of society. Degeneracy everywhere you look. BRB half of Gen z is trans and non binary. BRB medical professionals eagerly performing insane surgeries on them. Brb what even is a woman. BRB toxic masculinity. BRB mental illness and suicide through the roof

I don’t rly believe in god but let’s make one thing perfectly clear: the world needs Jesus, ded fkn srs
I mean, we could all be thrust in 1200 AD and be burned at the stake for believing the earth is round or denying religion. Or just be put to death by church for no reason bc they don't believe in their god. for all we know there were p3do death cults left and right that were allowed to exist. there was basically very little laws protecting people from getting fukt and hell, we don't even know the extent of the degeneracy that went on cuz well, no social media and a lot of stuff probably wasn't documented or was just burned. speaking about insane surgeries, doctors literally drilled holes into people's heads to get rid of "spirits". Royalty was basically one big giant incest-fueled orgy.

Alot of the wicked chit was done for a "god". It doesn't take one either to tell us that we should probably not rape, kill, pillage other people.

I believe the word you are looking for is "spirituality" rather than a god or religion. One can believe in inner reflection, the world is much bigger than themselves, meditation, worldly forces being beyond their control, or even perhaps a higher being that runs chit. minus all the burning people down and all that. Greeks/Romans probably had it closest with their philosophies of Stoicism.
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
There is no hell for your soul. Hell is only for the demons. Humans either perish completely or live eternally.

There may be some wiggle room on "waiting for judgement" in hell.

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."

that sentence would make no sense if you believed human souls go to hell.
Eternal punishment for any creation is unjust

These were created beings, thus they had a beginning. To drag out a life of constant sin to an eternity to punishment is insane
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You will notice the ones who bash Christianity the most are the marxists, Socialists, and communists. They are “extremist secularists”. Christianity is a very strong collective, with stronger individuality, and this creates an extremely powerful adversary. So, in order to take down this collective, they have to team up with Satan and attempt to seduce and coerce children and weaker followers away from Christ
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
You will notice the ones who bash Christianity the most are the marxists, Socialists, and communists. Christianity is a very strong collective, with stronger individuality, and this creates an extremely powerful adversary. So, in order to take down this collective, they have to team up with Satan and attempt to seduce and coerce children and weaker followers away from Christ
Do you have a reply to any specific post ITT?
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
Satan and his crew stood up to an abusive father, and because their father is so ****ed in the head, he's going to torture them for eternity. That entity, whatever way you look at it, is ****ing psycho.

He doesn't enact justice. It's a power play, it's a sick game. He just happened to give us the capacity to understand it which further cements how ****ed he is.

Consider how detached from our reality is with the account of Job. After all is said and done and Job loses everything, God rewards him with an abundance, wealth, and more sons and daughters. And that's supposed to suffice? That's supposed to undo the trauma that Job went through? The loss? lul, what? Strong everything right there. It's unhinged, and when Job questions God and God answer him with drivel asking him where he was when he created all things, that's more proof he simply doesn't and cannot understand the things that matter to us.

For our supposed creator, he truly doesn't know what we need. Add that to the fact that it was him who crippled us in the first place. lulz
The Bible says a direct quote from god himself “I am the lord I create good and I create evil”. And, we will burn also for sims we actually have not committed but ones we committed in our heart… and Sins we have committed.. sin of consciousness.

Just how it is. How he was is. Your opinion changes nothing. He has allowed bad things to happen to people. Mankind. Yeah.

We can either follow him regardless or we will be punished and abused too. Forever. And? Or we can strive to understand him, to know him, and end in his good graces hopefully if we can ever attain that kind of wisdom. It is unfair to many but if that’s the way god is, tf can we do? intentionally Going to punishment is for sure foolishness.


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Sins we WOULD HAVE committed. Yup that’s right we can go to hell for bad things we actuality never did. How bout that?!
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
Are all spirits on earth then? Dead and alive?
Not omnipotent like god Is. On earth in a non natural realm form whatever want to call it I choose to believe.
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
Lucifer isn't the entity known as Satan actually

Also, he didn't do that, there were plenty of so called "Heretics" who called out the bs Christians have attempted to peddle. The OT God is a maniac and there's next to no justification for his insanity. He is unhinged, a sick and twisted, jealous, pedantic loser who wants his creation to constantly tell him how "good" he is and be thankful for this chit HE put us in. Strong cuckoldry.

lol'd at "communist death cult" too. The literacy levels are at an all-time low. Christians can't even read the Bible, let alone understand it. And political theory not even once. If this so called God exists, do you think he'll want to reward you? Why? He doesn't give a phuck brah, sorry to break the bad news but you've been cucked by King cuck himself.
I'm not defending the Bible. I'm mocking YOUR ****git religion. It is immeasurably lamer and more pathetic.
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Originally Posted By CrimsonSteel⏩
I'm not defending the Bible. I'm mocking YOUR ****git religion. It is immeasurably lamer and more pathetic.
What religion is that, that you're mocking?

lulz
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
how about they are all phucking insane???



I mean, we could all be thrust in 1200 AD and be burned at the stake for believing the earth is round or denying religion. Or just be put to death by church for no reason bc they don't believe in their god. for all we know there were p3do death cults left and right that were allowed to exist. there was basically very little laws protecting people from getting fukt and hell, we don't even know the extent of the degeneracy that went on cuz well, no social media and a lot of stuff probably wasn't documented or was just burned. speaking about insane surgeries, doctors literally drilled holes into people's heads to get rid of "spirits". Royalty was basically one big giant incest-fueled orgy.

Alot of the wicked chit was done for a "god". It doesn't take one either to tell us that we should probably not rape, kill, pillage other people.

I believe the word you are looking for is "spirituality" rather than a god or religion. One can believe in inner reflection, the world is much bigger than themselves, meditation, worldly forces being beyond their control, or even perhaps a higher being that runs chit. minus all the burning people down and all that. Greeks/Romans probably had it closest with their philosophies of Stoicism.
Good point. Except half of that chit came from completely different societies in more harsher times. Incest in royal families? That was done for political reasons. Lobotomies were conducted for every type of mental illness, not just “possession.” And you’re talking about spirituality being a better substitute for religion as if ppl are still being burned at the stakes by a bishop.

Idc either way. Ppl need some fantasy to believe in to keep them in check.
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Originally Posted By OLawdQuan⏩
Good point. Except half of that chit came from completely different societies in more harsher times. Incest in royal families? That was done for political reasons. Lobotomies were conducted for every type of mental illness, not just “possession.” And you’re talking about spirituality being a better substitute for religion as if ppl are still being burned at the stakes by a bishop.

Idc either way. Ppl need some fantasy to believe in to keep them in check.
I think a good family and peers matters more than myths. My boy is the first on either side of his family to not grow up in a religious household, but is also the healthiest, smartest, nicest, and hopefully happiest of all of them.

Everyone does need a reason to get up in the morning, but I don't think religion has to be that reason. Now I'm not anti religion. For some people, that's all they have. That's my problem with militant atheists. They aim to remove religion, but don't offer a suitable alternative. I think a stronger sense of community, unity, and responsibility is key. For some retarded reason, shame seems to be going away.


Actually, I know exactly why.


Because wanton debauchery means more....


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[QUOTE=Muzzlrpress post_id=1667744033]I think a good family and peers matters more than myths. My boy is the first on either side of his family to not grow up in a religious household, but is also the healthiest, smartest, nicest, and hopefully happiest of all of them.

Everyone does need a reason to get up in the morning, but I don't think religion has to be that reason. Now I'm not anti religion. For some people, that's all they have. That's my problem with militant atheists. They aim to remove religion, but don't offer a suitable alternative. I think a stronger sense of community, unity, and responsibility is key. For some retarded reason, shame seems to be going away.


Actually, I know exactly why.


Because wanton debauchery means more....


[Img]https://c.tenor.com/6Hixx4SFAeQAAAAM/backing-you-get-yours.gif[/i][/QUOTE]This argument falls on itself because it rationalizes that humans have the right compass. You don’t get a stronger sense in any facet with an atheist secular society. In fact with with the modern liberalism model, the seeking of self pleasure/individual rights reigning supreme over anything else leads all to the opposite.
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Originally Posted By Kay4Kool⏩
This argument falls on itself because it rationalizes that humans have the right compass. You don’t get a stronger sense in any facet with an atheist secular society. In fact with with the modern liberalism model, the seeking of self pleasure/individual rights reigning supreme over anything else leads all to the opposite.
There’s a simple way that doesn’t involved some myth or “God” as to where we get our moral compass. It’s how we ourselves want to be treated. And if you’re doing things to others that you don’t want to be done to yourself, society and community degrades. You increase the likelihood that you life will be “bad” if you’re “bad”.
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Originally Posted By Kay4Kool⏩
This argument falls on itself because it rationalizes that humans have the right compass. You don’t get a stronger sense in any facet with an atheist secular society. In fact with with the modern liberalism model, the seeking of self pleasure/individual rights reigning supreme over anything else leads all to the opposite.
People will always come up with a compass. Only way society can even succeed and not get eradicated by another tribe. Whether it's Hammurabi's code or 7th day Adventists, people will end up with a code to live by.

You may think there's a universal "right" compass. Because humans are tribal, I believe right essentially boils down to "don't harm your tribe and fuk everyone else". I mean even in the Bible, God sanctioned actions by his chosen people and champions that by our own standards would not be considered "right".
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
There’s a simple way that doesn’t involved some myth or “God” as to where we get our moral compass. It’s how we ourselves want to be treated. And if you’re doing things to others that you don’t want to be done to yourself, society and community degrades. You increase the likelihood that you life will be “bad” if you’re “bad”.
And yet as Muzzlrpress pointed out, societies all throughout history have attempted to understand and develop a relationship with our Creator. There’s a reason for that. To assume that practically every single culture throughout history got it wrong while you are correct is hubris of the highest degree. And I’m not even talking about the existence of God, simply whether belief in God is better than no belief in God from a general perspective. And if you are saying everyone got it wrong then that seems to indicate that belief in God is ingrained into very being. After all, if it wasn’t, and if not believing in God makes people better off, then we would’ve dropped the concept long ago. Actually, one of the aspects that makes Christianity better in a very specific way, is that it reminds people that humans are fukked up. Yeah, like everything else there is a positive and negative aspect to it(the negative being guilt,shame, etc.). But it is important to remember that humans are fukked up creatures capable of horrible things, and since you are a human then you are capable as well. It reminds people to keep that aspect in check better than many other religions.


You say it’s really simple for people to make a utopia and to just treat everyone else like they want to be treated. And yet for some reason, not only have we not been able to do it, but we’ve done absolutely horrible things to each other for as long as we’ve existed.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
And yet as Muzzlrpress pointed out, societies all throughout history have attempted to understand and develop a relationship with our Creator. There’s a reason for that. To assume that practically every single culture throughout history got it wrong while you are correct is hubris of the highest degree. And I’m not even talking about the existence of God, simply whether belief in God is better than no belief in God from a general perspective. And if you are saying everyone got it wrong then that seems to indicate that belief in God is ingrained into very being. After all, if it wasn’t, and if not believing in God makes people better off, then we would’ve dropped the concept long ago. Actually, one of the aspects that makes Christianity better in a very specific way, is that it reminds people that humans are fukked up. Yeah, like everything else there is a positive and negative aspect to it(the negative being guilt,shame, etc.). But it is important to remember that humans are fukked up creatures capable of horrible things, and since you are a human then you are capable as well. It reminds people to keep that aspect in check better than many other religions.


You say it’s really simple for people to make a utopia and to just treat everyone else like they want to be treated. And yet for some reason, not only have we not been able to do it, but we’ve done absolutely horrible things to each other for as long as we’ve existed.
I don't disagree with any of that, and I've often said (even though I'm "Agnostic") that I think in general the Judeo Christian values gave a good moral framework on which to build a society - and that the deviation from that has caused problems. Underneath it all human nature is degenerate/hedonistic and has a variety of other unsavory elements. Religion helps give incentive to people (which such a large portion of the population are NPCs with little capacity for self reflection or critical thinking) to keep those elements in check in themselves.

With that said, it seems like a little bit of a tangent from the original discussion about the Theological aspects and personality of the "God" depicted in the Bible (especially Old Testament). I agree with the moral framework part, but I also think the mental gymnastics some of displaying in this thread and using the Bible ("God as depicted in the Bible is kind of shytty, but the Bible says this - which explains it all away") as a credible source of something is silly.

I think much more plausible explanations of the nature of reality can be found in Gnosticism and some of the Eastern Religions, but I'm not sure how in depth I feel like getting into that here.
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Don't forget how those who aren't baptized or ask for forgiveness are also condemned to hell.


Which is very unfortunate to the 80% of the world that had no way of being exposed to Christianity for 99% of history.

Brb every native American is in hell.



Just lmaooooo @ the absolute dullards who believe this nonsense.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
I don't disagree with any of that, and I've often said (even though I'm "Agnostic") that I think in general the Judeo Christian values gave a good moral framework on which to build a society - and that the deviation from that has caused problems. Underneath it all human nature is degenerate/hedonistic and has a variety of other unsavory elements. Religion helps give incentive to people (which such a large portion of the population are NPCs with little capacity for self reflection or critical thinking) to keep those elements in check in themselves.

With that said, it seems like a little bit of a tangent from the original discussion about the Theological aspects and personality of the "God" depicted in the Bible (especially Old Testament). I agree with the moral framework part, but I also think the mental gymnastics some of displaying in this thread and using the Bible ("God as depicted in the Bible is kind of shytty, but the Bible says this - which explains it all away") as a credible source of something is silly.

I think much more plausible explanations of the nature of reality can be found in Gnosticism and some of the Eastern Religions, but I'm not sure how in depth I feel like getting into that here.
Right, I wasn’t trying to get too far off track. Just replying to that particular thread since Opie was no talking about that particular aspect and had already bumped the thread to keep it going in whatever direction it needed to. As far as the original topic, I stopped responding to Opie because no matter what I said(correcting him on why Satan rebelled, pointing out that Satan tried tempted Eve into disobedience, pointing out that Satan is the one tempting people to give in to their own desires instead of walking a righteous path) he would just reply with “no, God is bad so Satan is probably good since he’s fighting against him”. That conversation was going nowhere.
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Originally Posted By milfmanmilk⏩
Many of the original Christians believed this, the gnostics. This "heresy" was addressed by 4th Century early Christian councils and it is known as "Marcionism" where the God of the Old Testament is not the same as the God of the New Testament and is evil.

I used to be a Christian, till I read books like Joshua, Chronicles, Esther etc and the amount of genocide in it I JFL and noped outta there. I read the Orthodox study bible and the scholarly commentary on the meanings of those books didn't cut it for me. Very animalistic and tribal, it makes me understand why Jewish religion in his Rabbinic form is racial laws made into a religion. Hardly transcendent, just tribe/race wars.

Have literally spent hundreds of hours watching Orthodox Hermeneutics and Theology lectures, what a fukkin waste of time.

Although I do like some of the writings of the early Church fathers.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Right, I wasn’t trying to get too far off track. Just replying to that particular thread since Opie was no talking about that particular aspect and had already bumped the thread to keep it going in whatever direction it needed to. As far as the original topic, I stopped responding to Opie because no matter what I said(correcting him on why Satan rebelled, pointing out that Satan tried tempted Eve into disobedience, pointing out that Satan is the one tempting people to give in to their own desires instead of walking a righteous path) he would just reply with “no, God is bad so Satan is probably good since he’s fighting against him”. That conversation was going nowhere.
Despite the title and obvious language intended to offend, it’s clearly less about Satan and more about the God of the OT being utterly insane.

And it’s very much subjective and open to interpretation. Especially given who Satan is according to Jews and Christians. There’s a very large divide there. One rebelling and one acting as an agent of God.
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Originally Posted By cloudnin3⏩
Have you dug into Paul? Which I consider Paul the Deceiver aka Saul of Tarsus.







Better rules than the 10 command whatever
The type of dude I imagine writing this


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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
Do you have a reply to any specific post ITT?
Nope. I understand the purpose of your question, but if you want to come together with the truth, then atheists are asking the wrong questions. The implications of the ultra secular pushing away Christians will be catastrophic to western culture, freedom, and the eventual Utopia on Earth based on values that actually works. In other words, truth in the metaphysical carries into the physical. If the ultra secular won’t see truth in Scripture, the they still must understand that the truth is found between the physical and metaphysical, not just exclusively one or the other.

The reason some of us don’t use scripture to argue facts, is because one can use a Christian and liberty lens to see the world objectively, and to better see good and evil.

Based on what I know, people attacking Christian beliefs are doing great harm to themselves, as well as everyone else. Christianity will not die, only the ultra secular well. Think Mussolini and Stalin, to get an idea. Christianity become stronger the more damage the secular collective does.

Think about it, Christians allow people to do what they want, as long as they do no harm. In other words, Christians are fundamentally libertarians.
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
Despite the title and obvious language intended to offend, it’s clearly less about Satan and more about the God of the OT being utterly insane.

And it’s very much subjective and open to interpretation. Especially given who Satan is according to Jews and Christians. There’s a very large divide there. One rebelling and one acting as an agent of God.
So you just wanted to be extra edgey, even if it came at the expense of your argument. You would’ve been better off just questioning the OT God and leaving Satan out of it.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
So you just wanted to be extra edgey, even if it came at the expense of your argument. You would’ve been better off just questioning the OT God and leaving Satan out of it.
I did both. Moreover, the question of Satan and who he is and what he represents is an interesting one.

It’s hardly at the expense of the argument. But even if it was, did you forget where this discussion is taking place? “Extra edgy”, this is misc we’re talking about.

Anyway, the God of the OT is a psychopath.
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Originally Posted By HayZues
Don't forget how those who aren't baptized or ask for forgiveness are also condemned to hell.


Which is very unfortunate to the 80% of the world that had no way of being exposed to Christianity for 99% of history.

Brb every native American is in hell.



Just lmaooooo @ the absolute dullards who believe this nonsense.
Yup no baptism = no Heaven
Native Americans be toasted now like pop bread

None of that disproves god

If you could be god you don’t have to be all loving one. You could even make people just to torture them for all time. Bible isn’t all peace love and forgiveness . Despite those wamby pamby Christians who teach sunshine and rainbows
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
Bruh, he orders genocide to clean out the promised land

wtf is with that?



Seems more like God is the devil and he's blaming someone else whilst getting praise. That a kink? brb abuse fetish

You cannot deny this is all very fkd
People like you will be lead to death and it’ll be worst then you think. Imagine hating the whole creator and praising the one that he created to take your attention. It’s like me entraining you. I do this for your help. You should die
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