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post 1669386063 10-12-2022, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
Posting so I can come back later when I have more time to post a quality response. As a rancher I’ve got quite a bit to share with those interested.
Been waiting to see if you'd post heh. Was curious about Huttrappers opinion as well.
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In for this
Most definitely.
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post 1669389703 10-12-2022, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Hutrapper⏩
Truth is that if someone crazy Armageddon type chit happened, a significant percentage of the population would simply die.

Food transport and agriculture? Medicine? Electrical grid? No more fuel deliveries? Goodbye to a lot of people in months or weeks.

I can fish just fine out of my canoes, and snowshoes are fine transportation in winter. Beaver to trap, critters to hunt, mushrooms to pick and dry. With no fuel its not like hordes of people will be descending on the natural resources here.

More self sufficient and rural people will indeed fare way better.
On spread, but good points. Didn't even think about the fuel angle.
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Checking out Ozarks area of Missouri/Arkansas. Can still get acreage for decent price. Will probably expand search to Oklahoma as well. Goal: cheap land, low taxes, easy permitting and building codes. At this point I don't give a chit about schools. Maybe ~50-100 miles away from a decent sized metro or ~20-50 miles away from a town. 5-10 acres, partially wooded.

Almost 2 years in Omaha, and while its 10x better than California, it's way more modern and cookie cutter than I expected, even the outskirts. Have to go way out to get any sort of country/rural feel and acreage is NOT cheap here at all. Very few trees here as well.
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post 1669638933 10-17-2022, 08:10 PM
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Signed my rental agreement, hopefully it's my last. I have 16 months, hopefully I can GTFO of here. Cutting every expense to the bone, tobacco, coffee, subscriptions-done. Never had cable or any other typical money pits and live cheap to begin with (kinda have to with single income and a family of four) but still I find ways to squirrel away money.

Looking at all options, including building my own damn house.

Anybody ever built their own house?



Pretty cool building a house with your dad.
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post 1669692363 10-18-2022, 07:28 PM
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Surprisingly hard to find examples of people who've built their own home. I guess it shouldn't be too surprising.



Built from plans from this site:

https://countryplans.com/solar-farmhouse.html
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Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
Surprisingly hard to find examples of people who've built their own home. I guess it shouldn't be too surprising.



Built from plans from this site:

https://countryplans.com/solar-farmhouse.html
Liberals tend to be the incompetent members of society. That’s why they teach, demand higher min wages, etc. Building a house? Lulz
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^I'd say 90% of people I've met would fail to qualify as "liberal," unfortunately they may as well be from the lack of agency. The caricature is a fun punching bag, but the real danger IMO is apathy and tolerance of bullchit.

Dang that site has tons of resources. Finally found what I'm looking for. More goodies:
https://countryplans.com/resources.html
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I have no plans to get off the grid but I do grow a nice amount of exotic tropical fruit in my backyard:

Mango (two trees)
Banana (multiple trees)
Lychee
Mamey Sapote
Sapodilla (two trees)
Soursop
Jackfruit
Jamaican Cherry
Loquat
Coconut
Figs (three potted trees- nematodes in my soil will kill them)
Pineapples (lots of plants)
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post 1669694633 10-18-2022, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted By yeshli2nuts⏩
I have no plans to get off the grid but I do grow a nice amount of exotic tropical fruit in my backyard:

Mango (two trees)
Banana (multiple trees)
Lychee
Mamey Sapote
Sapodilla (two trees)
Soursop
Jackfruit
Jamaican Cherry
Loquat
Coconut
Figs (three potted trees- nematodes in my soil will kill them)
Pineapples (lots of plants)
That is an insane variety. Mirin hard Floridabrah. Only thing I miss about CA is the growing season-all freaking year.
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post 1669918923 10-22-2022, 07:26 PM
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Just came in. Got 2 more books on house building coming in. Probably gonna lay off YouTube and misc for a while. Lot of good cheap books out there on various related topics, highly recommend getting them before you can't. This cost less than $14 shipped to me, regular price-$30.

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post 1669919623 10-22-2022, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩
net negative in kcals unless you plant potatoes

fkn LOL @ "i'm sick of having to do all this work so i'm gonna become a subsistence farmer instead"

LMAO
LOLOLOL big facts. You can actually get a lot of fruits(from trees/shrubs) with minimal effort though.
Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
I can work 40 hours a week in the air conditioning to be able to afford anything I want, or I can work 80 hours a week plowing fields in the heat just hoping a storm doesn't come and wash away my crop and I starve to death.


Well I know which one I am doing.
Lol if you think even 80 hours will cut it. Better plan on sun fukkin up to sun down.

Honestly though the big thing is having a solid watering set up that is automatic. I spent a summer trying to manually water my garden and more or less ended up with very little produce because I didn't get my @ss out and water literally every day. Once I got an automatic sprinkler set up that was specific to each portion of the garden my produce gainzzz were exponentially greater.

My wife and I finally got enough fruit from our fruit trees we couldn't just eat it every now and again- I've had an apple, a peach, and/or raspberries daily for like 2 months lmao. Canned a TON of peaches and cucumbers. Still got lots of apples in the fridge. We made salsa from our tomatoes, jalapenos, and onions that tastes great. Peppers were pretty solid too. We didn't plant nearly enough lettuce though... definitely a lesson for next year. That and get taller cages for our tomato/cucumber plants.

Our other big goal for next year was to try our hand at growing grapes just to see how it goes.
Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
Signed my rental agreement, hopefully it's my last. I have 16 months, hopefully I can GTFO of here. Cutting every expense to the bone, tobacco, coffee, subscriptions-done. Never had cable or any other typical money pits and live cheap to begin with (kinda have to with single income and a family of four) but still I find ways to squirrel away money.

Looking at all options, including building my own damn house.

Anybody ever built their own house?
Pretty cool building a house with your dad.
Do you really wanna live like this boyo? I think we all realize that end of times/doomsday scenario could happen at some point. I remember March 2020 looking around grocery stores that were nearly emptied out by panic shoppers. IMO I am not really interested in living day to day out in the middle of nowhere trying to survive off the land. I really think my end goal would be buying a wooded plot of land in the middle of nowhere with a decent hunting cabin and having a place such as that to fall back on in the event of turmoil. Something that has sustainable septic and requires minimal maintenance. Land with fruit bearing scrubs/trees that don't require much effort (raspberry/blueberry bushes and apple/cherry trees always easy) that have access to decent hunting for deer, pheasant/geese, and maybe bigger stuff like elk or moose. Fishing nearby is always good too.
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post 1669926633 10-22-2022, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
Do you really wanna live like this boyo? I think we all realize that end of times/doomsday scenario could happen at some point. I remember March 2020 looking around grocery stores that were nearly emptied out by panic shoppers. IMO I am not really interested in living day to day out in the middle of nowhere trying to survive off the land. I really think my end goal would be buying a wooded plot of land in the middle of nowhere with a decent hunting cabin and having a place such as that to fall back on in the event of turmoil. Something that has sustainable septic and requires minimal maintenance. Land with fruit bearing scrubs/trees that don't require much effort (raspberry/blueberry bushes and apple/cherry trees always easy) that have access to decent hunting for deer, pheasant/geese, and maybe bigger stuff like elk or moose. Fishing nearby is always good too.
Honestly no. I wish I could put my faith in the system and live exactly the way I am right now, but I can't. COVID was a reminder of the fact that our way of living can come crashing down instantaneouly. The crazy thing is that it was very easy to see it happen in real time and get prepped up. On one of my double shopping trips in 2020 my woman remarked that I was scaring her on the way to the Walmart. When we parked that was when news broke that the first NBA game got shut down, right in the middle of the game. Chit got real fast from there. Empty shelves. Masks. Social distancing. The whole nine yards. All said, 2 years later it wasn't a big deal. Yes we complain about the economic effects today, the supply chain issues, whatever-but we haven't had a societal breakdown-yet. We are slowly building up to it tho and it is achingly obvious that we WILL go through turmoil. Everything post WW2 is an anomaly in human history. This peace we have, the relative stability, the cheapness of things, are all things we take for granted and that can go byebye pretty quickly.

Regarding hunting/gathering vs farming, why not both? I plan on doing both. An orchard and fruit bushes are a no brainer. With meat tho I'd honestly rather feed a bunch of piglets, rabbits, or broiler chickens till they get to slaughter size-my whole family could be involved in that, I can do it close to home. It's steady, and predictable.
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Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
Honestly no. I wish I could put my faith in the system and live exactly the way I am right now, but I can't. COVID was a reminder of the fact that our way of living can come crashing down instantaneouly. The crazy thing is that it was very easy to see it happen in real time and get prepped up. On one of my double shopping trips in 2020 my woman remarked that I was scaring her on the way to the Walmart. When we parked that was when news broke that the first NBA game got shut down, right in the middle of the game. Chit got real fast from there. Empty shelves. Masks. Social distancing. The whole nine yards. All said, 2 years later it wasn't a big deal. Yes we complain about the economic effects today, the supply chain issues, whatever-but we haven't had a societal breakdown-yet. We are slowly building up to it tho and it is achingly obvious that we WILL go through turmoil. Everything post WW2 is an anomaly in human history. This peace we have, the relative stability, the cheapness of things, are all things we take for granted and that can go byebye pretty quickly.

Regarding hunting/gathering vs farming, why not both? I plan on doing both. An orchard and fruit bushes are a no brainer. With meat tho I'd honestly rather feed a bunch of piglets, rabbits, or broiler chickens till they get to slaughter size-my whole family could be involved in that, I can do it close to home. It's steady, and predictable.
What I am saying is I'd rather keep living w/day job and with comforts of normal life then have my hunting lodge type property to fall back on. I don't really want the day to day chores from animals that badly although my wife would go for chickens/goats. I'd much rather hunt and bag 1 or 2 deer yearly with a few birds and some fish.

the doom thing is hard to imagine over a significant amount of time when the US is a major food exporter. Worst comes to worst food gets 2-3x more expensive and honestly there would probably be a lot of starvation deaths in 3rd world countries that we'd stop shipping our surplus crops to. The primary thing is to be capable of maintaining lifestyle for 2-6 months if there was a major disruption before things get back on track. IDK if I want to live in a dystopian world with no chance of returning to normal
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
I wonder what would happen to suburbanites during a scenario where there is a food shortage. Lots of apartments nearby with people that have no food, would they go robbing, in this country? Never seen that level of lawlessness yet. People claim the government would assist in a situation like that but idk.. seems like the only way to be safe growing your own food is to be out in some remote area.

I don't own any real estate stateside but buying a plot of land somewhere that's farmable and building a small getaway home seems very appealing right now.
farming is for cucks or people who inherit an operation with a fukton of land.

I'd rather go for mountainous getaway or even moderately wooded grassland backing up against national forest.
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getting off the hamster wheel is impossible.
Even if I owned my land outright, I would still have to pay rates.
I think Yanks call them land taxes.
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Livestock

-cattle, easiest to maintain, by far the tastiest and provide meat, fat for rendering and cooking, milk, and leather/hides
-pigs, very hardy, will eat nearly anything meaning your waste from day to day living will sustain them, very friendly and easy to keep.
-goats, will eat all types of plant life even weeds that other animals don’t touch which leads to a healthy grazing of pasture lands, taste much better than people realize, milk quality is on par of that of a cow.
-horses, pretty much transportation and/or plowing only. Horses eat more and produce less than most other livestock and aren’t really worth the time and effort unless you need them for rounding up cattle and or transportation.
-Chickens, require very little space, produce eggs as well as meat, reproduce regularly which means you can grow a sizable population easily. Chickens best trait is eating of grasshoppers and other bugs that will have an otherwise negative affect on plant life.
-guineas, all the same traits as chickens but serve well as watch dogs (serious, they go nuts if there’s any sort of intruders nearby) and they kill snakes passionately.

As far as fruits and veggies go you’re limited to what your landscape will allow but the more you can grow the better off you are. Learn to can and/or use a vacuum sealer to have fruits and veggies during the cold months.

Let’s stop there to allow for questions, I’m pretty free the rest of the evening so ask away!
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
Livestock

-cattle, easiest to maintain, by far the tastiest and provide meat, fat for rendering and cooking, milk, and leather/hides
-pigs, very hardy, will eat nearly anything meaning your waste from day to day living will sustain them, very friendly and easy to keep.
-goats, will eat all types of plant life even weeds that other animals don’t touch which leads to a healthy grazing of pasture lands, taste much better than people realize, milk quality is on par of that of a cow.
-horses, pretty much transportation and/or plowing only. Horses eat more and produce less than most other livestock and aren’t really worth the time and effort unless you need them for rounding up cattle and or transportation.
-Chickens, require very little space, produce eggs as well as meat, reproduce regularly which means you can grow a sizable population easily. Chickens best trait is eating of grasshoppers and other bugs that will have an otherwise negative affect on plant life.
-guineas, all the same traits as chickens but serve well as watch dogs (serious, they go nuts if there’s any sort of intruders nearby) and they kill snakes passionately.

As far as fruits and veggies go you’re limited to what your landscape will allow but the more you can grow the better off you are. Learn to can and/or use a vacuum sealer to have fruits and veggies during the cold months.

Let’s stop there to allow for questions, I’m pretty free the rest of the evening so ask away!
How about land needed for cows/pigs/goats? I know chickens don't require a lot and horses probably not worth it for small scale homesteading.

Any standards for number of animals before the government insists on butting in? I seem to recall some years back reading about a proposed law requiring tags on grazing animals which they said would be too expensive for small scale farms.
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This guy has an awesome channel for growing food


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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
How about land needed for cows/pigs/goats? I know chickens don't require a lot and horses probably not worth it for small scale homesteading.

Any standards for number of animals before the government insists on butting in? I seem to recall some years back reading about a proposed law requiring tags on grazing animals which they said would be too expensive for small scale farms.
It really depends on where you reside at as far as acres per head. It could range from anywhere to 2 acres per cow to 100 acres per cow.

To my knowledge there’s some state statutes as to how many animals you can have before you’re declared a commercial operation but there’s not any on SoDak. To be completely honest the ranching of all animals will be federally illegal in ten years or less so I’m not sure just how much any of this really matters in the long run.
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Yes! Thanks for replying SmillironS, great contributions.



Sort of moving away from building my own house right now but might use these for some outbuildings in the future.

Want 5ish acres but might be better off saving for more acres since price per acre does go down a bit.
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Originally Posted By ricflaironpcp⏩
Homesteading is not efficient. You cannot grow food as cheap as you can buy food.

The only reason to become a homesteader is that you believe in a dystopian, end of world scenario. In that case, if you're an individual family and not a large group, you're likely growing food for whoever will come and take it from you.

If you grow food, because it's fun and a hobby, yes. Or because you want control over what you eat, at the expense of an incredibly high cost. Ultimately, it doesn't make much sense. In terms of efficiency, you're better off dumpster diving, or getting an employee discount at your local grocery store. Neither of which are good ideas.
This is 100% not true
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
This is 100% not true
How much time and effort does it take to grow enough food and raise enough animals to support a family of four?

I am not only referring to supplies but also to the cost of your time.
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Originally Posted By ricflaironpcp⏩
Homesteading is not efficient. You cannot grow food as cheap as you can buy food.

The only reason to become a homesteader is that you believe in a dystopian, end of world scenario. In that case, if you're an individual family and not a large group, you're likely growing food for whoever will come and take it from you.

If you grow food, because it's fun and a hobby, yes. Or because you want control over what you eat, at the expense of an incredibly high cost. Ultimately, it doesn't make much sense. In terms of efficiency, you're better off dumpster diving, or getting an employee discount at your local grocery store. Neither of which are good ideas.
From the breakdowns I've seen, yes you're right. But only if you're comparing home grown, pasture raised, organic eggs, chickens, pork, beef, etc to Walmart chit grown on CAFOs and sold for razor thin profit margins.
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Originally Posted By ricflaironpcp⏩
How much time and effort does it take to grow enough food and raise enough animals to support a family of four?

I am not only referring to supplies but also to the cost of your time.
I do it and own 6 businesses, it’s not very time consuming at all and is ridiculously cheap when you figure dollar per pound, about 1/4 the cost of buying things in a grocery store.

Edit: and the cost of the land needed shouldn’t be figured in the overall cost because it’s an asset that only increases in value.
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Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
From the breakdowns I've seen, yes you're right. But only if you're comparing home grown, pasture raised, organic eggs, chickens, pork, beef, etc to Walmart chit grown on CAFOs and sold for razor thin profit margins.
That is a reasonable point.
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
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Do you have any opinions/advice regarding property for a homestead? Specifically size and location?
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Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
Do you have any opinions/advice regarding property for a homestead? Specifically size and location?
North Texas/north Arkansas. That’s gods country
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
North Texas/north Arkansas. That’s gods country
I've seen northern Arkansas mentioned a few times, along with the rest of the Ozarks (Southern MO) area. Is there anything about the rest of Arkansas that would turn you off? Seems there's a LOT of land out there, cheap and low taxes too. I'm kinda gravitating to Southern MO for the fact that it's known for being a homesteader's mecca and the fact that there's counties I know of with fewer building codes.
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Amazing what you can get in Arkansas still:
https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...3_M75728-90897

Wish I had my chit together 5 years ago, still saving cash and praying real estate doesn't skyrocket when I'm ready.
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