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post 1672829963 12-14-2022, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor⏩
Maybe it depends on the branch. Is that the same deal with Army and Marines?
Perhaps for Marines, maybe army. Navy and AF are certainly this way.
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Originally Posted By yabbayabba⏩
I'd say if you're smart enough go for a technical MOS. Pretty much zero chance of deployment (and if you do you'll always be on base) and management opportunities in the civilian world where you'll only work like 20 hours a week and get six figures from the job alone.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Most people who go in to the military as a career end up officers that see very little combat. You don’t typically spend 20 years in the military to come out as a low rank.

My friend retired as a general (somewhere in that area) and only saw combat the first couple years, and even then it wasn’t a lot because they find ways to rank up without combat. It’s mostly desk work and schooling for most of these folks.

Women who retire never see combat. They are desk jockies their entire military career
This is all so false and full of assumptions.
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Originally Posted By TXBuddy⏩
This is all so false and full of assumptions.
Folks out here ackin like dey know

People who haven't been in just simply can't understand - and that's fine - but they simply don't know what they're talking about.
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Get whatever enlisted job wears a flight suit.

Was fookin mind blown seeing an SrA and a Captain just choppin it up like boys, at the clearing barrel. They go wherever their assigned aircraft goes. Need repairs in Germany? You're put up in lodging in Germany until they're done.
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Originally Posted By TXBuddy⏩
This is all so false and full of assumptions.
Do a large majority of Af see a lot of combat? Do most women in the AF see a lot of combat?

I’m trying to understand because I live in a Uni town that specializes in military and many of them retire back to this area. I admit it’s anecdotal, but the pool is at least 20 people I know personally.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Do a large majority of Af see a lot of combat? Do most women in the AF see a lot of combat?

I’m trying to understand because I live in a Uni town that specializes in military and many of them retire back to this area. I admit it’s anecdotal, but the pool is at least 20 people I know personally.
Majority of combat casualties are from non-combat jobs. They're at most times higher payoff targets. (Ded fkn Srs)
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Do a large majority of Af see a lot of combat? Do most women in the AF see a lot of combat?

I’m trying to understand because I live in a Uni town that specializes in military and many of them retire back to this area. I admit it’s anecdotal, but the pool is at least 20 people I know personally.
OK, you didn't specify AF. That's different. "combat" in the AF means something different. Pilots and air crew can see combat, but from a distance and depends on aircraft (not PTSD type of stuff). Combat controllers are in the middle of it. The rest of the AF wont experience any threats unless the base gets mortared and even then, it's minimal.

Also, if someone was a general officer, you wouldn't be confused and they also served 30+ years. If a general saw combat at the beginning of their career it was in 1991.

Women in the Army HAVE seen combat and many more are eligible to see combat since women are now allowed in combat arms jobs (tanks, infantry, etc..).

Staying in 20 years does not mean you achieved a high rank. I know plenty of NCOs who did not care about making rank and retired as E6. Some prior enlisted can become officers and retire as an O3 when they hit 20.
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Originally Posted By ToxMasculinity⏩
Majority of combat casualties are from non-combat jobs. They're at most times higher payoff targets. (Ded fkn Srs)
Its a fair point, but think this is somewhat misleading. Many Jobs are high-paying because they are high risk. For instance, power line workers are paid pretty good because of the risk of their job.

What percentage of the jobs are high risk, and what percentage of those jobs are filled by women?

My argument was that most people who get into the military as a career and to retire don’t see a lot of combat, if any. They want to avoid being deployed as much as possible, so they find specialties get them out of combat as soon as possible. Is that not accurate?
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Its a fair point, but think this is somewhat misleading. Many Jobs are high-paying because they are high risk. For instance, power line workers are paid pretty good because of the risk of their job.

What percentage of the jobs are high risk, and what percentage of those jobs are filled by women?

My argument was that

, if any. They want to avoid being deployed as much as possible, so they find specialtie get them out of combat as soon as possible. Is that not accurate?
You keep saying "most people who get into the military as a career and to retire don’t see a lot of combat". You don't know anything about most people. No one JOINs for combat. It just happens. Afterall that's the job of the military. Only about 20% of the Army are actual warfighters, the rest is logistical support and enablers. Even then, if you support near the front lines, you can see some version of combat. There are certainly people who pick the "soft skills" for whatever reason. It's easier, less combat, better resume. That's fine. That's why we have an all volunteer military.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Its a fair point, but think this is somewhat misleading. Many Jobs are high-paying because they are high risk. For instance, power line workers are paid pretty good because of the risk of their job.

What percentage of the jobs are high risk, and what percentage of those jobs are filled by women?

My argument was that most people who get into the military as a career and to retire don’t see a lot of combat, if any. They want to avoid being deployed as much as possible, so they find specialties get them out of combat as soon as possible. Is that not accurate?
That's 100% incorrect. I mean different branches might fluctuate when it comes to being in danger, but you go wherever the government sends you, not where you want to go. In the Army, the only people that I can think of on the top of head that don't ever see combat are the very few medical professionals, such as x-ray technicians, and such. They're more likely to be in Germany at a major medical facility receiving casualties. (Ded fkn Srs)
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It's not a bad play at all. One guy I work with did basically this exact same thing. Joined the Army at 18, retired at 38-39 and started his apprenticeship with our local. He's now like 43 or 44 and makes ~$80k/yr without overtime, then has a pension for another ~$30-35k/year, and has the other fringe benefits like reduced tax burden, free healthcare, etc that you get from military service as well. Add all that up and he is probably making the equivalent of $125-150k a year in a fairly low COL metro area.
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Originally Posted By 78novacaine⏩
It's not a bad play at all. One guy I work with did basically this exact same thing. Joined the Army at 18, retired at 38-39 and started his apprenticeship with our local. He's now like 43 or 44 and makes ~$80k/yr without overtime, then has a pension for another ~$30-35k/year, and has the other fringe benefits like reduced tax burden, free healthcare, etc that you get from military service as well. Add all that up and he is probably making the equivalent of $125-150k a year in a fairly low COL metro area.
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Originally Posted By 8pieces⏩
When i was a senior in hs this is the path i wanted to do. Well, without the tradie job after 20 years. But i multiple family members told me not to do it. To think i'd almost be at 20 years if I chose that path really fills me with a regret one of my biggest regrets in life.
This. My boss went this route. Has his pension, chills at work, all fukking kinds of options. If I'm not mistaken he has lifetime health benefits too. I wasted a good portion of my life, then wasted more time trying to unfuk my situation, now am at where I should have been 15 years ago. Fukking hell. Definitely not letting my kids fuk up like me.
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Not a lot of men seem motivated to join unless they either had no family or some political family.
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why would i do that when i could earn 5x what mili boys earn and retire after 20 yrs
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Personally, I think joining at 18 and doing one enlistment is the best path.

Enlist at 18 and do 3-4 years, get some good training and life experience. Do your community college courses while you're in (paid for) so when you get out you can go straight to a 4 year university for 2 years with the GI Bill and still live the normal college life, while also getting "free" money and having fun, getting educated. You can also get your VA benefits and get free health care, so you're fully taking advantage of the military benefits at 21/22 instead of 38/39.

You can start your career and work on getting a Masters/PhD or something with the leftover GI Bill money, while living a MUCH better life than you would be in the military, dedicating (sacrificing) 20 years of your life, in your prime, just so you can get a $30-40k pension.
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
Personally, I think joining at 18 and doing one enlistment is the best path.

Enlist at 18 and do 3-4 years, get some good training and life experience. Do your community college courses while you're in (paid for) so when you get out you can go straight to a 4 year university for 2 years with the GI Bill and still live the normal college life, while also getting "free" money and having fun, getting educated. You can also get your VA benefits and get free health care, so you're fully taking advantage of the military benefits at 21/22 instead of 38/39.

You can start your career and work on getting a Masters/PhD or something with the leftover GI Bill money, while living a MUCH better life than you would be in the military, dedicating (sacrificing) 20 years of your life, in your prime, just so you can get a $30-40k pension.
30-40k pension isn't always it though. If you are higher in rank or an officer at 20+ it is way more than that. Then factor in any VA benefits. That could be up to another 38k a year. Then free healthcare for life which is very expensive otherwise. But you are right with at least serving and gathering those benefits. There are a ton of Vet assistance groups out there that also offer pro bono mentorship for legal, financial, business start up, etc...
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
Personally, I think joining at 18 and doing one enlistment is the best path.

Enlist at 18 and do 3-4 years, get some good training and life experience. Do your community college courses while you're in (paid for) so when you get out you can go straight to a 4 year university for 2 years with the GI Bill and still live the normal college life, while also getting "free" money and having fun, getting educated. You can also get your VA benefits and get free health care, so you're fully taking advantage of the military benefits at 21/22 instead of 38/39.

You can start your career and work on getting a Masters/PhD or something with the leftover GI Bill money, while living a MUCH better life than you would be in the military, dedicating (sacrificing) 20 years of your life, in your prime, just so you can get a $30-40k pension.
170 IQ approach. I'd be surprised if any 17-year-old would decide this.

Like tx said, pricing the risk makes their overall package a better deal than it looks just on numbers.
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Originally Posted By mesobuild⏩
170 IQ approach. I'd be surprised if any 17-year-old would decide this.

Like tx said, pricing the risk makes their overall package a better deal than it looks just on numbers.
My grandfather went into the military at 16. He did a year or year and a half of military school, then enlisted.

It’s true that poverty does increase the demand for military service. With all of the bills and policies that give out money and other incentives, young adults are looking for more and more ways to exploit the system instead of taking traditional paths.
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
Enlist at 18 and do 3-4 years, get some good training and life experience.
Is this even a thing anymore? Last time a recruiter tried to sucker people into joining, he said enlistment has a minimum of 6 years.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
My grandfather went into the military at 16. He did a year or year and a half of military school, then enlisted.

It’s true that poverty does increase the demand for military service. With all of the bills and policies that give out money and other incentives, young adults are looking for more and more ways to exploit the system instead of taking traditional paths.
Dam man. Pretty negative look on things.

How does one go into the military at 16? The law says 17 with parental consent, which is what I did.
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Originally Posted By TXBuddy⏩
Dam man. Pretty negative look on things.

How does one go into the military at 16? The law says 17 with parental consent, which is what I did.
Things were more lax back then.

You could be a criminal and go into service instead of jail.

You could have a 0.01 GPA and still get recruited.

Those days are over.
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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor⏩
Things were more lax back then.

You could be a criminal and go into service instead of jail.

You could have a 0.01 GPA and still get recruited.

Those days are over.
I think most youngsters who went in lied back then, and I think he was suggesting that his grandfather "went in" to the military at 16 by going to a military school. That's not military. He enlisted at 18, that's military.
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Joined and had my 25th birthday a week into basic

Was working a comfortable bank job aka teller/new accounts eventually would of made assistant manager but it was very monotonous and wanted change

Military I figured was an instant teleport to a new everything

Was absolutely not going to outsmart myself and put myself in harms way so that eliminates army and marines

Chose Air Force over navy to avoid ships which could lead to sinking and having to deal with deep sea fears and the creatures that inhabit

Air Force let’s you pick what career you want and I researched most the job codes for what they were about and what bases they go to

Next was what job would keep me out of danger and not wear me out physically to where I wouldn’t even want to workout after the day was over

- indoors, air conditioned, desk, no manual labor, no foods or customer service

My picks were all intelligence jobs and all you need to do was knock out the ASVAB

In the military all things are equal across the board for pay with extras for language proficiencies or extra pay for flight or hazardous duty but that’s whatever

So the only true difference is do you want to be an E1-E9 doing services working the DFAC or base gym or would you rather be doing fun problem solving stuff

The only negatives about the intel word is no sun or windows but other than that it is so chill and if you are moderately attractive and take care of yourself it’s like being amongst peasants of nerdom and you feel extra special

- year of South Korea (You can do more voluntarily for incentives)
- couple years of California
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12 years has gone by so quick and has never come close to touching civilian life even tho this job has been easier than the bank one and never wishing I didn’t enlist

Figure out where you can take back control and that is with your rank and High Year Tenure

Max out E3 and don’t speed it up six months and then ride out E4 as long as you can but leave two real years to pass the test and E5 hasn’t been that bad just depends how many troops they put on you
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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor⏩
Is this even a thing anymore? Last time a recruiter tried to sucker people into joining, he said enlistment has a minimum of 6 years.
Yes people can definitely do 4 years. The recruiters just get pushed to market the 6 years.
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Originally Posted By macrocrunch⏩
Yes people can definitely do 4 years. The recruiters just get pushed to market the 6 years.
or it's 4 + 2 IRR
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Originally Posted By TXBuddy⏩
or it's 4 + 2 IRR
It's always 8 total years Active/IRR with your first enlistment. So it'd be 4+4 always.
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