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post 1676980513 02-11-2023, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie
Yea, I'm assuming you never had a professional job.
You assume wrong. If I work extra, I can balance out those hours over the next two pay periods. If we need to do off-site work, I have the option of banking those hours, or turning them into cash (overtime pay). At no point have I been required to work unpaid overtime (nor was any such action actually cited in the OP article).
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Originally Posted By nutsy54
You assume wrong. If I work extra, I can balance out those hours over the next two pay periods. If we need to do off-site work, I have the option of banking those hours, or turning them into cash (overtime pay). At no point have I been required to work unpaid overtime (nor was any such action actually cited in the OP article).
Then you're not a real professional. Real professionals don't punch a clock nor do they get OT. And we certainly don't "balance our hours out if we work longer one day." Maybe we take a day or two comp time if we work a ton. Do you think lawyers or hedge fund guys or CEOs are getting paid OT? I was wrong about you being a boomer, you're a millennial clearly.
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker
I make between 60-65k a year with no debt and a large savings. I'm completely stable financially. I've never said I make 36k a year.

You still haven't argued the premise because you can't. I'll wait.
Then I apologize, I confused you with someone else. The premise is quite simple. In my experience things are as they always have been. People have become lazy, and weak. The proof comes in with everyone I've mentored. They're all doing much better than average. And it's never hard. Me getting to where I'm at was not hard. All it took was a bit of delayed gratification. You'll use Sillie as an example, but not me, I wonder why that is? Is it because I'm your age?
Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker
No no no. You have to argue this from a completely personal standpoint and brag about how well you're doing and that all 150 million can do the same!

You're arguing the premise of the OP and not the personalized focused argument to stroke your ego on how successful you are.

(kidding obviously).
I've never cared about how something is in theory, if I see that it can be accomplished by someone else l, then I know that with enough work almost anyone can do it. That kind of logic has served me well. Which is why you won't find a single post of me complaining about how unfair life is and how socialism is the answer.
Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker
You made $12 an hour your first job. Multiply that by 2,030 for the yearly salary. That's $24,360 in 1993. That would 50k in 2023 with inflation. That's 10k over the average entry level job in 2023.

Let's not even talk about taxes, more payments necessary (phone payments utilities, etc), increase in healthcare costs, etc. The average cost of a house in the nation in 1993 was 126.5k. in 2023 is is 385k.

Tuition in 1993 was on average 3.8k and 7k including room and board. Average tuition now is 39k a year for private and just under 23k a year for public.

The starting point for the average kid in 2023 is so far behind yours it's hysterical you're even using that as an argument. You still don't get it do you?

I guarantee most kids would be extremely hard working given the fact they weren't starting at 40k+ in student loan debt, society telling them that they're losers at every corner, being shown people making millions every day on the their social media apps for dancing and making stupid content, and then getting chit on at work by boomers while they make 45k a year drowning in debt and inability to get ahead.

It's a completely different ball game.

People personalize this argument and don't realize the actual scale of this problem. I worked my ass off and paid off all my student loans early, have a good savings and no issues finacially, but I just got fukked by housing. I'm in IL though so it's compounded via property tax.

I could argue for your position too from my own perspective and personalize this saying these kids can get through it by working hard. I'm not though because I realize their life is at a completely different starting point than where i was 8-9 years ago. I had it easier. They're literally fukked right now and I'm not arrogant enough to not see it and not see their point of view no matter how annoying and lazy I think Gen Z is.
Wonderful argument. Sure things are different now than when I started my career 8 years ago. But I've been able to replicate my successes with other people I've mentored year over year. Like I said, my own younger brother went from $15/h at the height of the pandemic, to $90k/y now, and that's not including over time and bonuses. And my brother doesn't have a degree, or any advanced training, he started from zero.

I made a mistake, he (my brother) started Jan 2021, the height of the pandemic. He also bought a house last Feb.

And IDK what you're saying regarding housing, I bought a house in May 2021 in the DC Metro, so it's not like it's any cheaper than Chicago. Where you see problems, I see opportunities.
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In all reality, both sides have a point.

This younger generation is lazy and expects a lot with giving minimal effort.

However, things are more difficult now than they were financially. You have the Federal Reserve to thank for that.

I have an 18 year old in her first year in college. We had a conversation before she started college and I put out $40k/year (out of state). There is no way I'm investing in a college education unless the career path she wants to take requires it. i.e. medical field, accounting, attorney, etc. If she was simply going to go get a "communications" degree, she would have to figure out how to fund it herself.
I remember my last semester in college in 1997 was $900. Now, that same university is charging $9,000. I get it, **** sucks, but that doesn't mean you should LDAR.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824
You have two options, complain, or use that mental capacity that you claim boomers don't have to better your situation. Which are you gonna choose?



Listen main, if you stayed for 6 years, getting cucked year after year, that's on you. I had that happen to me at a job 18 months in, I immediately started looking for a new job, in 3 months I had a much better title and literally doubled my salary.
this man.
Had it happen at a job i worked at for 8 months.
6 months in i received my mid-year review.
instead of focusing on all the chit they asked me to do that i wasn't even hired for but accomplished, they focused on how long it took me to learn the chit they didn't hire me for and accomplish.
no raise for me even though they promised one at 6 months.

8 months into that job i had a new job making almost twice as much.
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Originally Posted By litljay
In all reality, both sides have a point.

This younger generation is lazy and expects a lot with giving minimal effort.

However, things are more difficult now than they were financially. You have the Federal Reserve to thank for that.

I have an 18 year old in her first year in college. We had a conversation before she started college and I put out $40k/year (out of state). There is no way I'm investing in a college education unless the career path she wants to take requires it. i.e. medical field, accounting, attorney, etc. If she was simply going to go get a "communications" degree, she would have to figure out how to fund it herself.
I remember my last semester in college in 1997 was $900. Now, that same university is charging $9,000. I get it, **** sucks, but that doesn't mean you should LDAR.
900$ a semester, jeez man , were did you go?moscow polytechnica university?? My books cost more lol. i used to pay $24k a year , were 1 year equates 4 semisters [fall,spring,s1,s2] and these numbers are a reflection of my undergrad degree... my graduate degree was 2.5x my undergrad interm of fees
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824
And it's never hard. Me getting to where I'm at was not hard. All it took was a bit of delayed gratification. You'll use Sillie as an example, but not me, I wonder why that is? Is it because I'm your age?
just curious.. what would you say to 18 year olds that move out whose parents are poor and they don't even have a car? what is their first step?
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Originally Posted By yewotm8
They'll figure out supply and demand eventually.

Also the fact that young people have nothing to work for nowadays due to women not being property of their husbands anymore and nobody having families. Younger people just don't need the money that badly.
IDK, we have a few dudes at work mid to late 20's. They bust ass and own houses.
though they purchased before home prices went nutzo.
But they move up because they work and work hard.

Then there are the kids still living at home and just fuking off on the job with no desire to do more than the minimum and complaining about their 1-2% pay increase.
they will go nowhere and blame the world.
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Originally Posted By MEDITATE
900$ a semester, jeez man , were did you go?moscow polytechnica university?? My books cost more lol. i used to pay $24k a year , were 1 year equates 4 semisters [fall,spring,s1,s2] and these numbers are a reflection of my undergrad degree... my graduate degree was 2.5x my undergrad interm of fees
California State college. I worked full time and spent 3 years at a City college, then another 3 years at the state college to get my 4 year degree.
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Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget
this man.
Had it happen at a job i worked at for 8 months.
6 months in i received my mid-year review.
instead of focusing on all the chit they asked me to do that i wasn't even hired for but accomplished, they focused on how long it took me to learn the chit they didn't hire me for and accomplish.
no raise for me even though they promised one at 6 months.

8 months into that job i had a new job making almost twice as much.
Twice as much? Damn boyo you were so good you went from fry cook to drive through cashier in just 8 months?

Well done boyo!
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie
Then you're not a real professional. Real professionals don't punch a clock nor do they get OT. And we certainly don't "balance our hours out if we work longer one day." Maybe we take a day or two comp time if we work a ton. Do you think lawyers or hedge fund guys or CEOs are getting paid OT? I was wrong about you being a boomer, you're a millennial clearly.
So, what imaginary definition of "professional" are you using? Hell, if you're a "real professional", why do you need a comp day or two, just after saying youdon'tdo that?

I think lawyers absolutely have billable hours when they work each client ("punching a time clock"), just as I assign my work hours to each contract I'm suporting. Not sure where you came up with hedge fund guys or CEOs as relevant to this thread. But as usual, you've managed to completely deflect from what I originally posted.

I'm not a boomer, not a millennial either. Every post proves you really have no idea what those terms mean
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Originally Posted By propreffered7
just curious.. what would you say to 18 year olds that move out whose parents are poor and they don't even have a car? what is their first step?
I was in that situation. I left my house at 15, and was officially on my own at 16. I didn't have a car, or a even a license. And I lived in a very expensive state, NJ. The way I did it was not what I would call the right way. I made a lot of mistakes along the way, and didn't truly get my shyt together till I was 25.

If I were to do it all over, I would start planning to be ready to move out a at 18 before I turned 16. Step 1, get good grades, do a sport or extracurricular, you will need it if you decide to go to college. Get a job, save up for a cheap car. A car is a game changer unless you live in a large city like NYC.

Have a few k saved up for the move, and think really hard about what you can tolerate doing as a career. It will need to be something that makes money, not gender studies. Either some sort of sought after trade, or hard maths or sciences or engineering in college.

If you're already own your own, you will have to suffer, but that's life. Work extra shifts, do whatever you can for more hours and more responsibility. When I worked at McDonald's at 16 I ate breakfast and lunch there for free, my shifts were from 7am-3pm. I was already out of highschool by then. Figure out what you can do career wise to make money, I suggest IT, it's easy as fuk. Then grind it out.
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Originally Posted By propreffered7
just curious.. what would you say to 18 year olds that move out whose parents are poor and they don't even have a car? what is their first step?
How are they moving out if they're that poor???
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
How are they moving out if they're that poor???
Kids are dumb, I know I was because I did exactly that.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824
I was in that situation. I left my house at 15, and was officially on my own at 16. I didn't have a car, or a even a license. And I lived in a very expensive state, NJ. The way I did it was not what I would call the right way. I made a lot of mistakes along the way, and didn't truly get my shyt together till I was 25.

If I were to do it all over, I would start planning to be ready to move out a at 18 before I turned 16. Step 1, get good grades, do a sport or extracurricular, you will need it if you decide to go to college. Get a job, save up for a cheap car. A car is a game changer unless you live in a large city like NYC.

Have a few k saved up for the move, and think really hard about what you can tolerate doing as a career. It will need to be something that makes money, not gender studies. Either some sort of sought after trade, or hard maths or sciences or engineering in college.

If you're already own your own, you will have to suffer, but that's life. Work extra shifts, do whatever you can for more hours and more responsibility. When I worked at McDonald's at 16 I ate breakfast and lunch there for free, my shifts were from 7am-3pm. I was already out of highschool by then. Figure out what you can do career wise to make money, I suggest IT, it's easy as fuk. Then grind it out.
im not gonna lie, you kinda only went into some vague platitudes as opposed to detailed specifics. for example, how long would it take for someone with that lowly job to "save up" for a car?

but i guess i agree with the premise

same here for me. i was 18, and at the time, totally believed in college, so i was looking at paying 60K+ at 18 with nothing behind me at all

that's when it really struck me how deluded most people were. or maybe it was the people i was around

anyways, i really think the military is a good bet for someone like that. but i understand why not everybody would want to do it.

getting into a trade early would be amazing too. but still not gonna be plush until like 5 years in. if youre supporting yourself at the beginning stages, its prob gonna be pretty rough

but you know, i also understand why some people work at mcd's. because my first job was solely due to proximity. because i didn't have a car

and that "ladder" is pretty gay. because i was offered a "higher job" at that same place but it was for like a dollar extra. so you're talking prob 10+ years before you're making "decent" money
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Originally Posted By Maestro
Why do people keep saying this? What they want is a job that will afford them the same standard of living their parent had when they were making that wage.

For example, what's the point in working some job in 2023 for $12/hour? It's so little money that it's quite literally a waste of time. May as well go on welfare, at least they won't have to be bitched at by some boss to receive the money
What job pays 12 dollars an hr in 2023????
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The faster boomers die the better
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Can someone explain it to me, that if Zoomers are working some corporate job, and still living at home, how are they not killing it when it comes to saving money?

Why do stats show that most of you don't even have a thousand dollars in savings?

You're telling me that living at home, and having mommy feed you, that you can't put away at least 2 grand a month?
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Originally Posted By GooBaaa
The faster boomers die the better
But then who will you blame all of your problems on?
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Originally Posted By propreffered7
im not gonna lie, you kinda only went into some vague platitudes as opposed to detailed specifics. for example, how long would it take for someone with that lowly job to "save up" for a car?

but i guess i agree with the premise

same here for me. i was 18, and at the time, totally believed in college, so i was looking at paying 60K+ at 18 with nothing behind me at all

that's when it really struck me how deluded most people were. or maybe it was the people i was around

anyways, i really think the military is a good bet for someone like that. but i understand why not everybody would want to do it.

getting into a trade early would be amazing too. but still not gonna be plush until like 5 years in. if youre supporting yourself at the beginning stages, its prob gonna be pretty rough

but you know, i also understand why some people work at mcd's. because my first job was solely due to proximity. because i didn't have a car

and that "ladder" is pretty gay. because i was offered a "higher job" at that same place but it was for like a dollar extra. so you're talking prob 10+ years before you're making "decent" money
I actually joined the military at 17. I've bought cars for $1500, now they weren't good, but they served their purpose. It honestly took me like 8 months to save up that much money. I was living in a cheap bedroom in the ghetto, and like I said had most of my meals where I worked.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
Can someone explain it to me, that if Zoomers are working some corporate job, and still living at home, how are they not killing it when it comes to saving money?

Why do stats show that most of you don't even have a thousand dollars in savings?
cuz muh 2k phone and uber eats
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824
I actually joined the military at 17. I've bought cars for $1500, now they weren't good, but they served their purpose. It honestly took me like 8 months to save up that much money. I was living in a cheap bedroom in the ghetto, and like I said had most of my meals where I worked.
I didn't get a decent car till I was in my mid 20s.

My first car was when I was 16 years old, and it was a Ford Escort. A real **** car. The ****ing air conditioner didn't even work.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
But then who will you blame all of your problems on?
Ok boomer
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
I didn't get a decent car till I was in my mid 20s.

My first car was when I was 16 years old, and it was a Ford Escort. A real **** car. The ****ing air conditioner didn't even work.
I had to stop every 20 minutes, open the radiator cap with a bunch of tissues so I wouldn't scald myself, and add cold water to keep the car from over heating. Also the car had been totaled when someone rear ended me, I drove it around like that for like a year b
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Originally Posted By nutsy54
So, what imaginary definition of "professional" are you using? Hell, if you're a "real professional", why do you need a comp day or two, just after saying youdon'tdo that?

I think lawyers absolutely have billable hours when they work each client ("punching a time clock"), just as I assign my work hours to each contract I'm suporting. Not sure where you came up with hedge fund guys or CEOs as relevant to this thread. But as usual, you've managed to completely deflect from what I originally posted.

Not a boomer, not a millennial either. Every post proves you really have no idea what those terms mean
Like I said not a professional. Professionals don't keep track of their hours as it relates to a 40 hour week. Professionals don't punch a clock or keep a timesheet. And tracking your billing hours ain't a timesheet boyo. And lol at your comp time question. Say a real professional works 12 hours a day for a week getting a project done. That professional is able to say "I think I'll take Monday off" because they're in charge of getting their work done. And of course we don't take PTO during such times.

And getting paid OT? bahahahahahaha

That's why we get paid the stupid salaries we do boyo.

You're basically a white collar tradie. Nothing wrong with that.
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Holy crap dude, Satan's huge crew.
post 1676985153 02-11-2023, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
I didn't get a decent car till I was in my mid 20s.

My first car was when I was 16 years old, and it was a Ford Escort. A real **** car. The ****ing air conditioner didn't even work.
Please back out of this thread you lazy, worthless, ignorant POS. You have no more authority after 20 years than a person who has just 6 months in. You're a loser and that's all you'll ever be.

I feel so badly for your parents. Both of my kids are way more successful than you in their mid-20's FFS.

You suck.
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Holy crap dude, Satan's huge crew.
post 1676985173 02-11-2023, 10:17 AM
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I'm bewildered by the younger generations as well.

AWSBruh made a thread that they shouldn't give 2 weeks notice. This has happened and then I'm stuck with the work and no handoff to try to figure out the status of projects! How is that fair to me? I'm not the corporation! You should give 2 weeks notice as a courtesy to your fellow employees so you don't burn bridges.

The younger generations also need to learn more interpersonal communication skills, which they haven't learned thanks to smartphones and social media.
post 1676985333 02-11-2023, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted By GooBaaa
Ok boomer
Not a boomer, but the question still isnt answered. Who will you blame your problems on if they all suddenly vanished?
post 1676985373 02-11-2023, 10:21 AM
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ITT: rustled boomers lmao
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