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Thread: Washinton state passes bill to hide children from parents who do not consent to trans

post 1680937233 04-16-2023, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted By BullittEV⏩
What part of the new bill that creates a pathway for minors to get "gender reaffirming healthcare" without parental consent do you not understand?
It provides for shelter.
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It's an amendment to this legislation:https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=26.28.015

Which already included notification exceptions:

"(c) "Compelling reasons" include, but are not limited to, circumstances that indicate that notifying the parent or legal guardian will subject the minor to abuse or neglect as defined in RCW 26.44.020."

It doesn't change age of consent or access to care, it exempts the shelter from the obligation to notify within 72 hours.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
It provides for shelter.
So the bolded part about healthcare services just really means a roof over their head?
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
It's an amendment to this legislation:https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=26.28.015

Which already included notification exceptions:

"(c) "Compelling reasons" include, but are not limited to, circumstances that indicate that notifying the parent or legal guardian will subject the minor to abuse or neglect as defined in RCW 26.44.020."

It doesn't change age of consent or access to care, it exempts the shelter from the obligation to notify within 72 hours.
So the bold part regarding healthcare services that specifically reference ginoplasty's is actually just shelter?
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post 1680937953 04-16-2023, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted By BullittEV⏩
So the bolded part about healthcare services just really means a roof over their head?



So the bold part regarding healthcare services that specifically reference ginoplasty's is actually just shelter?
This Bill doesn't provide for health services or affect age of consent for those services.
post 1680938443 04-16-2023, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
This Bill doesn't provide for health services or affect age of consent for those services.
Yes, it does. What parts of the bill I posted that references health care dont make sense to you? Just do a ctrl+f and search healthcare. Or look at the 3-4 posts I made copying the text.
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post 1680938483 04-16-2023, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted By fitnessislife⏩
Oh, I thought moderate Democrats weren't in favor of this kind of thing.
There is no moderate democrats in WA State...
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post 1680938653 04-16-2023, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted By BullittEV⏩
Yes, it does. What parts of the bill I posted that references health care dont make sense to you? Just do a ctrl+f and search healthcare. Or look at the 3-4 posts I made copying the text.
You quoted an example of a service considered gender affirming. You didn't provide a link and the text does not appear in the pdf of the Bill I posted, nor the accepted amendments.
post 1680939203 04-16-2023, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted By BullittEV⏩
The parent(s) are never involved.
Except for paying for all their "medical care". That, they have no problem with...
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post 1680939233 04-16-2023, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You quoted an example of a service considered gender affirming. You didn't provide a link and the text does not appear in the pdf of the Bill I posted, nor the accepted amendments.
The text I quoted is from a link from your post. The bill that was passed, recently, the bill that the thread is about.


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post 1680939263 04-16-2023, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Fishman15⏩
Except for paying for all their "medical care". That, they have no problem with...
That's not in this Bill either.
post 1680939383 04-16-2023, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted By BullittEV⏩
The text I quoted is from a link from your post. The bill that was passed, recently, the bill that the thread is about.


lol.
Protected health services were created in separate legislation, not in this Bill.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
That's not in this Bill either.
No, that's already in place for anything they have done without parents consent. The young kids run the game. What could go wrong...
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post 1680939863 04-16-2023, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted By Fishman15⏩
No, that's already in place for anything they have done without parents consent. The young kids run the game. What could go wrong...
Like I said, if someone takes issue with age of consent, this isn't the Bill to oppose.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Your response isn't shocking.......
"would you rather have a trans daughter, or a dead son?" - Libs
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
If your position is that kids are better off living on the street, you're welcome to that opinion, but it's not one I share.
Is there an epidemic of parents throwing their trans children onto the streets that we don't know about? If so, please cite your sources. The wording of the bill you posted doesn't even try to cite anything relating to trans homelessness.
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Originally Posted By BFast55⏩
Is there an epidemic of parents throwing their trans children onto the streets that we don't know about? If so, please cite your sources. The wording of the bill you posted doesn't even try to cite anything relating to trans homelessness.
I dunno if running away is the same as being thrown out. But, if no youth are on the street and/or seeking shelter, this Bill won't affect anyone, right?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Like I said, if someone takes issue with age of consent, this isn't the Bill to oppose.
This is correct. However, when you now couple both of these bills together it is exactly what the OP is describing.

Are you ok with children being able to get these "protected health services" ie hormone blockers/surgery without a parents consent and without a parents knowledge all while giving them a safe harbor? Thus making it EASIER for children to make life altering decisions at a young age.
What are you on about mate?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Probably a better option than homelessness for at risk youth.
Or here's a crazy thought...

Instead of being so eager to take mentally unstable children and transform them into something they're not, how about we get them mental health care??
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Nobody is taking anyone away.Shelters aren't providing medical services.
You didn't even read the OP did you. Just heard "trans" and "children" and came out swinging... didn't you.

Here.
Originally Posted By CalmWind⏩
Washinton state passes bill to hide children from parents who do not consent to transgender surgeries

https://theamericantribune.com/washi...ion-surgeries/

https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?B...alse&Year=2023

https://senatedemocrats.wa.gov/liias...ses-the-house/


Katie Daviscourt, a journalist in Washington, posted about the bill as well, saying “Last night, Washington state passed SB 5599 which allows the state to legally take children away from their parents if they don’t consent to their child’s gender transition surgeries.All Democrats voted, yes. All Republicans voted, no.”



Washington State Senator Marko Liias announced on Twitter that his state’s senatepassed SB 5599, a bill that would give the state government the power to take children away from their parents if the parents do not consent to the child’s gender transition surgery,in early March. At that point, the bill was headed to the House. It just passed the House and is now headed back to the Senate for consideration of the changes made.

Liias, the sponsor of the bill, cheering the bill’s passage, said, “Tonight, we passed #SB5599 to ensure at-risk youth have access to shelter when seeking gender-affirming or reproductive care. Trans youth have been under a nationwide attack, but #WALeg continues to fight for trans rights.”
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
You didn't even read the OP did you. Just heard "trans" and "children" and came out swinging... didn't you.

Here.
I posted the Bill and amendments.

You bolded comments from a journalist and a politician.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I posted the Bill and amendments.

You bolded comments from a journalist and a politician.
so the shelter can house underage kids and not tell the parents they are there?

that doesn't sound like people that have nefarious intentions with kids at all....
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
so the shelter can house underage kids and not tell the parents they are there?

that doesn't sound like people that have nefarious intentions with kids at all....
That legislation already existed. This Bill amends the existing legislation by adding an additional exception to the obligation to report within 72 hours.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I posted the Bill and amendments.

You bolded comments from a journalist and a politician.
Ok.. granted I haven't read the whole thread yet, but can you explain the discrepancy? I mean the very own SPONSOR OF THE FUKING BILL said in plain English that...

"Washington State Senator Marko Liias announced on Twitter that his state’s senate passed SB 5599, a bill that would give the state government the power to take children away from their parents if the parents do not consent to the child’s gender transition surgery, in early March. At that point, the bill was headed to the House. It just passed the House and is now headed back to the Senate for consideration of the changes made.

Liias, the sponsor of the bill, cheering the bill’s passage,"
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Ok.. granted I haven't read the whole thread yet, but can you explain the discrepancy? I mean the very own SPONSOR OF THE FUKING BILL said in plain English that...

"Washington State Senator Marko Liias announced on Twitter that his state’s senate passed SB 5599, a bill that would give the state government the power to take children away from their parents if the parents do not consent to the child’s gender transition surgery, in early March. At that point, the bill was headed to the House. It just passed the House and is now headed back to the Senate for consideration of the changes made.

Liias, the sponsor of the bill, cheering the bill’s passage,"
Read the Bill?
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All the kid has to do is run away from home because they feel confused about their gender and that's the end of the parent's rights to the child. Now the state controls them and they can/will/do push whatever "gender affirming care" they want on the kid.

What a world we live in...
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Originally Posted By Fishman15⏩
All the kid has to do is run away from home because they feel confused about their gender and that's the end of the parent's rights to the child. Now the state controls them and they can/will/do push whatever "gender affirming care" they want on the kid.

What a world we live in...
This Bill doesn't amend age of consent.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Read the Bill?
Nope.

I'm going off the EXACT WORDS FROM THE STATE SENATOR WHO SPONSORED IT, AND IS CHEERING IT'S PASSAGE.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Nope.

I'm going off the EXACT WORDS FROM THE STATE SENATOR WHO SPONSORED IT, AND IS CHEERING IT'S PASSAGE.
Then that explains your perceived discrepancy.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Then that explains your perceived discrepancy.
So THE STATE SENATOR WHO SPONSORED IT, AND IS CHEERING IT'S PASSAGE is wrong then.

Got it.

"Washington State Senator Marko Liias announced on Twitter that his state’s senate passed SB 5599, a bill that would give the state government the power to take children away from their parents if the parents do not consent to the child’s gender transition surgery..."
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