It’s not the same worship..again..Like Yahweh, Jesus has priests ministering before Him by offering up sacrifices to Him. Such service is ONLY ascribed to Yahweh, since one will never find a single instance where an angel or human being is offered sacrifices with God expressly approving it.

Give one example..and who is speaking in Revelation 22..funny how you keep avoiding that. That tells me all I need to know.

"and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things."

Jesus is the mediator of God, will he keep these offerings for himself or will he send them to the Father?

Yes or no. Don't dodge



I already answered you, why do you keep saying that?

The father and Jesus are one. If Jesus is a man, then He cannot accept priestly sacrifices unto Himself. That’s the point. Show me one example.

Jesus is speaking in Rev. 22…?

So who is speaking in Revelation 1:8

Jesus is our eternal highpriest. In the OT the highpriest took sacrifices from the people and offered them up to God


this is plainly what the bible says, why are you corrupting it?

Wrong.
Let’s try this out..what comes before the beginning?

Jesus is our high priest..that’s the point.. only God can accept Priestly sacrifices. The priests did not accept sacrifices on THEIR behalf..they accepted it on God’s behalf.

Jesus accepted Sacrifices & worship on HIS behalf..understand now?

Stop ignoring the question..who is speaking in Rev1:8?

"they accepted it on God’s behalf."

Which is exactly what Jesus does. Now you're getting it!

"Stop ignoring the question..who is speaking in Rev1:8?"

I asked you a yes or no question in which you dodged, now you're going to say that lmao. Oh boy


Your theology is so wack. You literally rip Jesus out from being the mediator because it doesn't matter anymore, you don't need the Father if you have Jesus in your world view.

No.
Jesus accepted on HIS behalf..as evidenced above.

Jesus is the mediator, but the only way He could be the mediator is if He was/is God. Man cannot die for another man’s sin.



Now who is speaking in Revelation 1:8?

Why do you continue to dodge questions?

so basically, you support Arianism


re: claiming Jesus was created being, etc.



that's already been heavily debated and cast aside.

it's okay, I went through a similar stage when I was on my path too. No hate. But pray about it a lot.

Awful lot of talk here about God and Jesus, but the trinity is three. At what point did the Holy Spirit come into existence and when was the first reference to that? I struggle with that way more than the first two.

Genesis 1


The spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters




to further solidify it, the hebrew word used is elohym, which is the plural form, meaning the Godhead.


Now, you might say, "But even if it is the plural form, the ancient Jews thought it was singular only"..... that's not the point. The point is, it was written down in in the plural.

What the jews understood or didn't understand is not the point.... Jews in the Old Testament did NOT have full revelation of God's plan, or who He was yet. So they always understood elohiym to be singular. For example, the OT all points to Jesus and what He would do on earth, but the Jews could not see that yet


Heck, Jews today still think God intended the old covenant and temple sacrifice system to be permanent.... which was NEVER supposed to be the case. All throughout the OT, we see hints of God planning to bring the Messiah through the line of David (kingdom of israel), and to redeem mankind once and for all. It is easy for us, after Jesus, to go back and read the OT and find all the clues now. But if you were an ancient jew before Jesus came, you'd never be able to tell what you were actually reading unless God Himself wanted you to know.

The ancient jews were given enough light to be able to obey and carry out their mission, which was to preserve Israel and the lineage of David, to bring about the Messiah (Jesus), and then be the vine that spreads the Gospel to everyone else.... that's it. And even that was a hassle, as they were constantly disobedient and allowing the world to corrupt them. It was a harsh world back then.

How close you think we are?

that's not what i believe bro

jesus was begotten from the fathers substance which makes him different from created beings, but at some point this begetting took place.

"No.
Jesus accepted on HIS behalf..as evidenced above."

He accepts them because he is the mediator who forwards it to the Father... This isn't hard


"Man cannot die for another man’s sin."

So Jesus wasn't a man?

The concept of the trinity is that Jesus was fully man and fully God. Do you not agree with this?


Also it seems like you're strawmanning my position. I never said Jesus was just a prophet like you seem to be suggesting

the funniest thing is how Paul Kruel makes it a salvation issue

You are coping hard if you think the thief on the cross believed the doctrine of the trinity. He was saved because he recognized that Jesus was sent from God