As do many other vaccines.

As does viral infection.

Why do you keep avoiding my question?

I wonder how much this contributes:

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https://www.getsmartaboutdrugs.gov/m...han%20morphine.

Pharma makes opioids, so pharma is bad. Pharma also makes vaccines, so vaccines are bad.

He can’t answer it. His handlers won’t let him.

he doesn’t believe it could be a possibility

No. It's just an obvious and disingenuous attempt to set a trap. You're familiar with the technique

the trap of giving your opinion?

Are you asking about all vaccines or if only covid vaccines are killing people in record numbers?

Are they dying fromvaccination orwithvaccination?

What are the chances entertaining a possibility gets framed as a certainty?

COULD the mRNA vaccines be contributing to the excess deaths we are seeing in younger people?
Not all the excess deaths, but a contributor
Pretty cut and dry

Interesting. So having a discussion is now considered “setting traps”. Again, when you are so hesitant to express your views and have to lie about what others claim in order to argue against them, then perhaps your case is not very strong. Kind of like your case that omicron is as severe as delta.

This is a shining example

Earlier in this same thread you said most should pay any mind to what I think. Now you're desperate for my thoughts?

And yet the point remains, we as the public don't know of any research being done into the excess deaths, or at the very least not to see if there's a link to the vaccines, so when you state "well so far studies show X instead of Y" it's a moot point given that no studies have been done into Y.

Let me ask you this; do you consider it a possibility that the vaccinecouldbe the reason for a lot of the excess deaths?

Lold at “desperate for your thoughts”. I was just letting a poster know why you are unable to answer the question.

There's no data to suggest covid vaccines have caused a marked/measurable/noticeable effect on population-level excess deaths.

Could people have died following vaccination? That seems plausible to me.



Covid-19: Norway investigates 23 deaths in frail elderly patients after vaccination

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj....Tu0wrVpMIWCrmI

You let them know why you think I won't answer. Aka gave your opinion.

You've adopted this store of discussion, which presumably you find entertaining.

Enjoy yourself

[QUOTE=5x10 post_id=1688601653]Nutsy and Jlc, are you willing to consider the vax, which is known to cause heart issues, may be A, not the, cause for the excess deaths ?

Cancer deaths also multiple standard deviations in excess

[img][URL=https://i.imgur.com/AeI9eLJ.png]https://i.imgur.com/AeI9eLJ.png[/URL][img][/QUOTE]I think they want to see hard data that the people dying from heart issues were vaccinated/boosted. And autopsy proof that the vaccination/boosting caused the heart issue. I agree. I'd want to see that hard data too. Unfortunately the government has not decided its worth researching yet.





I talked to a coroner recently from another state who's office typically processes around 600 deceased per year. So an extremely large/professional office.

We really didn't discuss the vax that much because there is simply no incentive for them to investigate it. But he did confirm that there was a relatively large monetary incentive to document covid deaths. I'm not going to say specifics but they were paid thousands per death certificate marked with Covid. According to this guy there was a lot of ****kery going on with people who weren't even infected with Covid being marked as a 'Covid Death'.

In America we have over 2300 death investigation offices. How many of them acted ethically VS how many of them took the funding, because, why not. There is no over-sight or investigation into it. Someone can literally get in a car crash or die from a gunshot would and you can mark it down as a C19 death. And there is nobody over your shoulder double checking to make sure you didn't commit fraud.



The truth is we have absolutely no idea how many people died from Covid. And there will be no way to determine it in the future. Furthermore as of right now there is no government program or incentives to thoroughly investigate the vaccine or try to determine if it is causing deaths.


People like Nutsy and JLC will say I'm making this up. I'm lying. There is no evidence. Elected officials and medical professionals would not lie/deceive for seven figure funding. Etc.

Of course they are correct. Absolutely everyone acts completely ethically and in what's the best interest for society. Lmao.

Of course, at the same time, knowing dozens and dozens of people who have had covid, having had it twice personally, and never in any of those anecdotal but personal first-hand cases having seen anyone have a single long-term implication -- some study suggesting people in large percentages are having severe problems post-covid -- it's either utterly insane, some random winning-lottery-ticket level coincidence I've never seen it OR paid shills putting out junk studies.

Of those three, well, throughout the history of science we've seen time and time again bad studies funded by large corporations, so my guess is that. I am willing to entertain that it's insanity or even that somehow it's real and just very statistically improbable that somehow this common thing is happening and I have lucked into never seeing it. Just that, as odds go, seems most likely the studies are bullchit garbage and probably best ignored.

your lack of response answers the question

It’s not a possibility for you

Do you know of any investigations being done to actually verify that they're not, though?

This is literally what I was just writing about; if no investigation has been done to find out if the vaccines have a hand in the excess deaths, then saying "there's no evidence the vaccines have a hand in the excess deaths" is meaningless.

Like I said, do you at least entertain the possibiilty of the vaccines having a large part to play in the excess deaths? I'm not asking if you think they do, I'm asking if you're able to entertain it as being a possibility.

There are certain things you absolutely won’t answer or comment on. Case in point:

It used to be a “conspiracy theory” to say they would not prevent infection.

To say they wouldn’t stop spread.

To say that the injection didn’t stay local to the injection site.

To say that it isn’t quickly removed from the body, and can stay there for months.

To say that it causes autoimmune issues.

To say it causes heart issues.

To say they would keep trying to push them every year.

To say they would make “vaccine passports”.

And plenty of others





All of those “conspiracy theories” ended up being absolutely true.

This reads like the embalmer tales from "Died Suddenly"

Because this repeated regurgitation of social media skeptic influencer talking points isn't worth addressing.

Most of what's outlined there demonstrates little more than ignorance.

I answered the question.

I linked an investigation.

Have you looked through the literature?

I know, it’s not a possibility in your mind

Very science like!

We don’t know what it is, we just know what it’s not

The injection don’t prevent infection.

They don’t prevent spread.

They can and do remain in the body for months

They don’t remain local to the injection site
Maw did see vaccine passports.

They do cause heart issues.

They do cause autoimmune issues.

Prevent 100% like a brick wall? Nope. Neither does any other vaccine.

Lower the chances of infection? Yep. Like other vaccinesLike other vaccines, covid vaccines reduce spread by reducing the chances of infection.Like other vaccines. That's how the lymphatic/immune systems worksSee lymphatic/immune system functionDunno who maw is. But, a lot of places required proof of vaccination.Risk of myocarditis is increased with covid vaccines, as well as other vaccines.Haven't seen this reported.

You left out the most insane conspiracy theory of them all -- that vaccinated could spread by contact with a vaccinated person. Those people were possibly the most deranged and insane Ctards of them all.



Whoops

That's not what I said tho.