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Thread: Clotting proteins linked to Long Covid brain fog

post 1689447373 09-03-2023, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I guess, but there's a range of estimates (10-20%).

I understand that people may prefer to draw generalized interference from personal experience, but that's not generally how things are conducted in research.
*conducted in research that receives a billion dollars in funding and is incentivized to exaggerate both prevalence and severity of the topic being researched
post 1689447443 09-03-2023, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
*conducted in research that receives a billion dollars in funding and is incentivized to exaggerate both prevalence and severity of the topic being researched
I don't see where it's reported that this was a billion dollar study.

But if this is just one of those "all research and science is bad" arguments, then there isn't much to discuss
post 1689449933 09-03-2023, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
That's far.

Others might want to discuss the impacts of the affected 10-20%.
Which is it? 10% or 20%???
post 1689449983 09-03-2023, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Which is it? 10% or 20%???
Wat?

Are estimation and probability novel terms or concepts to you?
post 1689450263 09-03-2023, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Not linked in this study.Blood clots happened, vaccination didn't
Hmmm, but that's just it, JLC - there's justsomethingabout that which comes to mind....if only I could fully remember what it is!
post 1689450573 09-03-2023, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Wat?

Are estimation and probability novel terms or concepts to you?
There's a pretty big difference between 10% and 20%........
post 1689450653 09-03-2023, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
There's a pretty big difference between 10% and 20%........
About 10%
post 1689450703 09-03-2023, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I don't see where it's reported that this was a billion dollar study.

But if this is just one of those "all research and science is bad" arguments, then there isn't much to discuss
You didn’t realize that over a billion dollars has been poured into studying “long Covid”? So people are incentivized to exaggerate the severity and frequency of “long Covid”. That is why the claims and numbers you like to spout off don’t seem to match up with the reality anyone is experiencing. But don’t worry bro, we’re sure you are just super interested in the subject and all your incentivized studies are really legit. Again, we’re all just walking miracles who somehow managed to avoid and have everyone we know avoid the terrible fate being experienced by 20% of the people infected.
post 1689450873 09-03-2023, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
You didn’t realize that over a billion dollars has been poured into studying “long Covid”? So people are incentivized to exaggerate the severity and frequency of “long Covid”. That is why the claims and numbers you like to spout off don’t seem to match up with the reality anyone is experiencing. But don’t worry bro, we’re sure you are just super interested in the subject and all your incentivized studies are really legit. Again, we’re all just walking miracles who somehow managed to avoid and have everyone we know avoid the terrible fate being experienced by 20% of the people infected.
The authors list the grants. They don't add up to a billion dollars.

I understand that view of thinking one's personal experience is representative of everyone. I just don't agree with that view.

I can also see why those who believe letting it rip is an optimal strategy would want to reject anything that suggests repeated infections might impact some people.
post 1689451953 09-03-2023, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The authors list the grants. They don't add up to a billion dollars.

I understand that view of thinking one's personal experience is representative of everyone. I just don't agree with that view.

I can also see why those who believe letting it rip is an optimal strategy would want to reject anything that suggests repeated infections might impact some people.
You come across ten people that had the Rona and you're claiming two of them are suffering long term complications?
post 1689452043 09-03-2023, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The authors list the grants. They don't add up to a billion dollars.

I understand that view of thinking one's personal experience is representative of everyone. I just don't agree with that view.

I can also see why those who believe letting it rip is an optimal strategy would want to reject anything that suggests repeated infections might impact some people.
I guess we should just bring back the masks, restrictions and mandates......
post 1689452083 09-03-2023, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
You come across ten people that had the Rona and you're claiming two of them are suffering long term complications?
Nope.
post 1689452123 09-03-2023, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
You come across ten people that had the Rona and you're claiming two of them are suffering long term complications?
He’s claiming that despite the fact that he hasn’t experienced that and no one else he’s interacted with has, he “trusts the science” that had over a billion dollars poured into it and which is incentivized to exaggerate both the severity and frequency of “long Covid”.
post 1689452293 09-03-2023, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
He’s claiming that despite the fact that he hasn’t experienced that and no one else he’s interacted with has, he “trusts the science” that had over a billion dollars poured into it and which is incentivized to exaggerate both the severity and frequency of “long Covid”.
None of that is true. But I can understand why construing that as my position is convenient.
post 1689452333 09-03-2023, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Nope.
That's exactly what you're claiming.
post 1689452493 09-03-2023, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
None of that is true. But I can understand why construing that as my position is convenient.
So you don’t trust the science. That’s certainly an interesting turn of events.
post 1689452823 09-03-2023, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
So you don’t trust the science. That’s certainly an interesting turn of events.
Trusting science and that phrase are both nonsensical.
post 1689452963 09-03-2023, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
That's exactly what you're claiming.
Negative.
post 1689453053 09-03-2023, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Trusting science and that phrase are both nonsensical.
10-20% of those who get the Rona will have long term complications, you come across ten people and you're saying that 1-2 of them are suffering long term complications, then you go, "Nope."
post 1689453073 09-03-2023, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Negative.
You really have no idea what your talking about, ever......
post 1689453433 09-03-2023, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
You really have no idea what your talking about, ever......
It seems you don't, that's why I asked if estimation and probability are new concepts for you. I think it's valuable to also understand the concept of uncertainty.
post 1689453493 09-03-2023, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
10-20% of those who get the Rona will have long term complications, you come across ten people and you're saying that 1-2 of them are suffering long term complications, then you go, "Nope."
I didn't say "will".

Concepts of estimation, probability, and uncertainty are key elements in sciences like epidemiology.
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One is not considered vaccinated till 14 days after injection…so OP’s study does not actually give a true assessment of control group
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Originally Posted By Paul
One is not considered vaccinated till 14 days after injection…so OP’s study does not actually give a true assessment of control group
I'm not an author on this one.

But, it wasn't a vaccine comparison, so you might be looking for a control group that wasn't part of the design. The condition of interest was infection.

The authors detail the cohort in the paper.

My guess is they wanted to preemptively address those who would attribute the results to vaccines
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
It does.

They detail the cohort in the paper.

My guess is they wanted to preemptively address those who would attribute the results to vaccines
Can you quote where this is stated within the study please.

Edit-lol @ your edit. Typical
post 1689457093 09-03-2023, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Can you quote where this is stated within the study please.

Edit-lol @ your edit. Typical
Limitations

"Second, participants in the prospective cohort study were all unvaccinated."
post 1689457933 09-03-2023, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Limitations

"Second, participants in the prospective cohort study were all unvaccinated."
Nothing stated here negates my post though

Again.. One is not considered vaccinated till 14 days after injection…so OP’s study does not actually give a true assessment of control group
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Originally Posted By Paul
Nothing stated here negates my post though

Again.. One is not considered vaccinated till 14 days after injection…so OP’s study does not actually give a true assessment of control group
I'm still not an author.

But, I can understand why you need or want to believe vaccines are the cause in this study (without reading it).
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I'm still not an author.

But, I can understand why you need or want to believe vaccines are the cause in this study (without reading it).
That’s a very strong presumption you have there..still..nothing in your post here negates what was stated.
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Originally Posted By Paul
That’s a very strong presumption you have there..still..nothing in your post here negates what was stated.
If you think you found a gotcha, prove it.

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