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ยป BNT162b2 Vaccine and COVID-19 Ambulatory Visits in US Children
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Originally Posted By katya422
I don't have the old post handy w/estimated hospitalizations for children under 5. I know that they said in their own documentation that there would be a lot more children hospitalized w/myocarditis vs. "saved from covid hospitalization".






This one is sort of new in case you haven't seen it.



https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/a...47?login=false

5.29 per 100,000 in males between 12 and 17.
I'm familiar with Berenson's takes.

Typical base rate of myo in that age group is 12-20 in 100,000.

Some are okay with (repeated) infection. Others aren't.

Everybody's different
post 1690224223 09-17-2023, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
"Receiving at least 2 doses of wild-type BNT162b2 vaccine was associated with a reduced risk of COVID-19 ED or UC and outpatient visits in children younger than 5 years. The risk of SARS-CoV-2 encounters appeared lower for those with 2 vs 3 doses of BNT162b2, albeit with wide CIs, which is likely due to more immune-evasive Omicron sublineages (eg, BQ.1-related and XBB-related strains) becoming dominant by the time young children received their third dose5 and longer median time since dose 3 compared with dose 2. The OR of 0.67 is equivalent to vaccine effectiveness (1 minus the OR) of 33%, which is lower than the approximately 70% efficacy against symptomatic COVID-19 seen in a clinical trial when BA.2 sublineages were predominant.6 Study limitations include the potential for unmeasured confounding, potential misclassification of prior infection or whether ARI encounters were truly related to COVID-19, and the restriction to only 1 mRNA product."
Oh, and where is the double blind study?

The one where the participants aren't swayed by any implicit bias, like, say not taking their small children to the ER or UC because they believe that since their child got the shots they don't need to do that?

I mean to be useful information I guess you would have to give them all shots and not tell them if they got a placebo, right? So all the parents would be super scared or not super scared unrelated to any injections and theoretically deciding to seek emergent care based totally on symptoms?

Because parents used to take their children to the ER for a little sore throat, runny nose and maybe fever or tummy ache all the time?
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post 1690224273 09-17-2023, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
I'm familiar with Berenson's takes.

Typical base rate of myo in that age group is 12-20 in 100,000.

Some are okay with (repeated) infection. Others aren't.

Everybody's different
If the shots prevented infection then you wouldn't get to have so much fun trolling.

They don't do that in any meaningful way.
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post 1690224323 09-17-2023, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted By katya422
Oh, and where is the double blind study?

The one where the participants aren't swayed by any implicit bias, like, say not taking their small children to the ER or UC because they believe that since their child got the shots they don't need to do that?

I mean to be useful information I guess you would have to give them all shots and not tell them if they got a placebo, right? So all the parents would be super scared or not super scared unrelated to any injections and theoretically deciding to seek emergent care based totally on symptoms?

Because parents used to take their children to the ER for a little sore throat, runny nose and maybe fever or tummy ache all the time?
Most of these data are observational (Berenson's as well).

Double blind data are in the trials.

Blinding doesn't make sense in base rate incidence estimation.

Challenge trials are rare for ethical reasons.
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Originally Posted By katya422
If the shots prevented infection then you wouldn't get to have so much fun trolling.

They don't do that in any meaningful way.
He's not trolling. He legit loves this shiit..
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Originally Posted By katya422
If the shots prevented infection then you wouldn't get to have so much fun trolling.

They don't do that in any meaningfulness way.
Vaccines reduce chance of infection.

New scientists have mostly become familiar with vaccine effectiveness, at least as a term.

Which vaccines have 100% effectiveness?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Vaccines reduce chance of infection.

New scientists have mostly become familiar with vaccine effectiveness, at least as a term.

Which vaccines have 100% effectiveness?
Which vaccines require a booster shot every couple of months?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
Which vaccines require a booster shot every couple of months?
Which "necessary" vaccines are single dose?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Which "necessary" vaccines are single dose?
The ones we all got as a toddler/child?
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According to Rainman, people should be jabbed to fight those symptoms.....
post 1690226623 09-17-2023, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
According to Rainman, people should be jabbed to fight those symptoms.....
That's according to you, not me
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
The ones we all got as a toddler/child?
You didn't receive any vaccines until you were a toddler?

Which ones?

There's a schedule.

It's published.

How many are single dose?

How many are multi dose?

How many of either are 100% effective?

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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
#JustACold

#LetItRip
How upset does it make you that more and more people are taking that approach?
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
How upset does it make you that more and more people are taking that approach?
Not even a little.

With individual freedom comes individual responsibility and accountability
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Not even a little.

With individual freedom comes individual responsibility and accountability
He says.. as he makes one covid worship thread and post after another.

In before acting stupid
In before semantics
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Not even a little.

With individual freedom comes individual responsibility and accountability
So how many jabs have you gotten? How much money have you given to the homeless? How many trannies have you helped?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
So how many jabs have you gotten? How much money have you given to the homeless? How many trannies have you helped?
That's interesting because I was wondering how many jabs have you gotten? How much money have you given to the homeless? How many trannies have you helped?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
That's interesting because I was wondering how many jabs have you gotten? How much money have you given to the homeless? How many trannies have you helped?
Zero to all three.

I've given food to the homeless, and clothes
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