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BNT162b2 Vaccine and COVID-19 Ambulatory Visits in US Children
09-17-2023, 03:32 PM
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#61
Originally Posted By katya422⏩
I'm familiar with Berenson's takes.I don't have the old post handy w/estimated hospitalizations for children under 5. I know that they said in their own documentation that there would be a lot more children hospitalized w/myocarditis vs. "saved from covid hospitalization".

This one is sort of new in case you haven't seen it.
https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/a...47?login=false
5.29 per 100,000 in males between 12 and 17.

This one is sort of new in case you haven't seen it.
https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/a...47?login=false
5.29 per 100,000 in males between 12 and 17.
Typical base rate of myo in that age group is 12-20 in 100,000.
Some are okay with (repeated) infection. Others aren't.
Everybody's different

09-17-2023, 03:34 PM
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#62
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Oh, and where is the double blind study?"Receiving at least 2 doses of wild-type BNT162b2 vaccine was associated with a reduced risk of COVID-19 ED or UC and outpatient visits in children younger than 5 years. The risk of SARS-CoV-2 encounters appeared lower for those with 2 vs 3 doses of BNT162b2, albeit with wide CIs, which is likely due to more immune-evasive Omicron sublineages (eg, BQ.1-related and XBB-related strains) becoming dominant by the time young children received their third dose5 and longer median time since dose 3 compared with dose 2. The OR of 0.67 is equivalent to vaccine effectiveness (1 minus the OR) of 33%, which is lower than the approximately 70% efficacy against symptomatic COVID-19 seen in a clinical trial when BA.2 sublineages were predominant.6 Study limitations include the potential for unmeasured confounding, potential misclassification of prior infection or whether ARI encounters were truly related to COVID-19, and the restriction to only 1 mRNA product."
The one where the participants aren't swayed by any implicit bias, like, say not taking their small children to the ER or UC because they believe that since their child got the shots they don't need to do that?
I mean to be useful information I guess you would have to give them all shots and not tell them if they got a placebo, right? So all the parents would be super scared or not super scared unrelated to any injections and theoretically deciding to seek emergent care based totally on symptoms?
Because parents used to take their children to the ER for a little sore throat, runny nose and maybe fever or tummy ache all the time?
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09-17-2023, 03:36 PM
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#63
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
If the shots prevented infection then you wouldn't get to have so much fun trolling.I'm familiar with Berenson's takes.
Typical base rate of myo in that age group is 12-20 in 100,000.
Some are okay with (repeated) infection. Others aren't.
Everybody's different
Typical base rate of myo in that age group is 12-20 in 100,000.
Some are okay with (repeated) infection. Others aren't.
Everybody's different

They don't do that in any meaningful way.
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09-17-2023, 03:37 PM
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#64
Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Most of these data are observational (Berenson's as well).Oh, and where is the double blind study?
The one where the participants aren't swayed by any implicit bias, like, say not taking their small children to the ER or UC because they believe that since their child got the shots they don't need to do that?
I mean to be useful information I guess you would have to give them all shots and not tell them if they got a placebo, right? So all the parents would be super scared or not super scared unrelated to any injections and theoretically deciding to seek emergent care based totally on symptoms?
Because parents used to take their children to the ER for a little sore throat, runny nose and maybe fever or tummy ache all the time?
The one where the participants aren't swayed by any implicit bias, like, say not taking their small children to the ER or UC because they believe that since their child got the shots they don't need to do that?
I mean to be useful information I guess you would have to give them all shots and not tell them if they got a placebo, right? So all the parents would be super scared or not super scared unrelated to any injections and theoretically deciding to seek emergent care based totally on symptoms?
Because parents used to take their children to the ER for a little sore throat, runny nose and maybe fever or tummy ache all the time?
Double blind data are in the trials.
Blinding doesn't make sense in base rate incidence estimation.
Challenge trials are rare for ethical reasons.
09-17-2023, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
He's not trolling. He legit loves this shiit..If the shots prevented infection then you wouldn't get to have so much fun trolling.
They don't do that in any meaningful way.
They don't do that in any meaningful way.

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09-17-2023, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Vaccines reduce chance of infection.If the shots prevented infection then you wouldn't get to have so much fun trolling.
They don't do that in any meaningfulness way.
They don't do that in any meaningfulness way.
New scientists have mostly become familiar with vaccine effectiveness, at least as a term.
Which vaccines have 100% effectiveness?
09-17-2023, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Which vaccines require a booster shot every couple of months?Vaccines reduce chance of infection.
New scientists have mostly become familiar with vaccine effectiveness, at least as a term.
Which vaccines have 100% effectiveness?
New scientists have mostly become familiar with vaccine effectiveness, at least as a term.
Which vaccines have 100% effectiveness?
09-17-2023, 04:12 PM
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09-17-2023, 04:21 PM
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09-17-2023, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted By ispy⏩
#JustACold#LetItRip
#EngineeredBioWeapon
#PoliticiansAndMediaCareAboutIndividuals
09-17-2023, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The ones we all got as a toddler/child?Which "necessary" vaccines are single dose?
09-17-2023, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted By ispy⏩
According to Rainman, people should be jabbed to fight those symptoms.....
09-17-2023, 04:30 PM
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09-17-2023, 04:32 PM
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#74
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
You didn't receive any vaccines until you were a toddler?The ones we all got as a toddler/child?
Which ones?
There's a schedule.
It's published.
How many are single dose?
How many are multi dose?
How many of either are 100% effective?

09-17-2023, 04:39 PM
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09-17-2023, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
How upset does it make you that more and more people are taking that approach?#JustACold
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09-17-2023, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
He says.. as he makes one covid worship thread and post after another.Not even a little.
With individual freedom comes individual responsibility and accountability
With individual freedom comes individual responsibility and accountability

In before acting stupid
In before semantics
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09-17-2023, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
So how many jabs have you gotten? How much money have you given to the homeless? How many trannies have you helped?Not even a little.
With individual freedom comes individual responsibility and accountability
With individual freedom comes individual responsibility and accountability

09-17-2023, 07:27 PM
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#80
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
That's interesting because I was wondering how many jabs have you gotten? How much money have you given to the homeless? How many trannies have you helped?So how many jabs have you gotten? How much money have you given to the homeless? How many trannies have you helped?
09-17-2023, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Zero to all three.That's interesting because I was wondering how many jabs have you gotten? How much money have you given to the homeless? How many trannies have you helped?

I've given food to the homeless, and clothes
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