31, huh? Tell her Chad is already married! Lol! People don't seem to realize the promising guys, the good marriage material that they are rejecting average guys for, gets married in his mid 20's, on average! He doesn't want the great woman he's met in his early 20's to get away. He wants to build success with his wife, and have a young family...not a 35 yr old having her first kid. He wants to be a young dad who can coach his kid's sports.

This is the reality I see with my own eyes, at least.

She said she does a lot of extra curricular stuff at the hospital too. I think one of them recently was one where they were supposed to meet new residents or something like that. Im trying to not be too invested in case she pulls the rug out from under me, and have been mentally preparing myself for it. If she really doesnt want to see me or is seeing someone else shes just wasting her own time or dividing it thin with the other guy. Basically treating everything as fine with a mask of skepticism since im used to getting ghosted or treated like dirt. Just hoping this time is different. If not, then maybe the next one will be younger, prettier, and care about me more lol.

These women don't get it. They wait until that last train is leaving to try and get on. Im in that average to slightly above average category and also a late bloomer. If I was a Chad I would have married much younger, but didnt have that option. Instead im 30 and have no desire to want to be with a woman who is 30 and feel more resentment than anything even though its not warranted. I can't help but think "where were you the whole time I was lonely, and why is it just now of all times you want my companionship?" A lot of that feeling is rooted in personal experience.

Now that im 30 it seems like 30 year old women are easy mode and 26 year olds are starting to become options. Before 30 I was invisible.

THE SAME chicks that i saw in 2017... i still see them today on the apps. it's like how??? and why??? dating as a woman is astronomically easier than it is for men.

okay so why am i still on there from that same period?? 3 relationships that didnt work out

Bingo. They're all broken af. Doesn't matter if they are fat, skinny, ugly, hot, or anywhere in between. Women have endless options IRL just by existing unless they are mentally damaged with obscene expectations, so they naturally take that with them to the dating aps.

Just turned 30 so do i marry 10 years younger when I’m 35+

tfw turned 30 and still get carded.

Yea trouble initiated by women nagging, arguing, and complaining all the way to divorce court. Aren’t you the sloot who divorced your husband and made some thread regretting crying about it years later. It’s women, like you, who have no real sense of loyalty. Lesbian divorce rate is even worse. You sloots cant even stand each other

You’re another sloot on here who can’t help stop attention whoring on a male dominated site too

Why don’t you go to female misc instead

This is dead on. Well said.

Hate to say it but if a girl isn’t married by 30 there’s prob something wrong with her unless she was in school to be a doctor or PhD or something where she was too busy/stressed to date much.

i've said it before but the moment a woman gets on a dating app she is damaged goods. being approached by thousands of men does something to brain.

imagine getting married today....or in the last decade for that matter

You mean the child comes with the woman? I see this as an absolute win!

cucked into raising another mans throw-aways.....dis sounds like a win.

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Time to go to church to find a good woman?

Exactly why you just hangout and pound their pussies. Anything more serious than that is retarded IMO and you deserve anything negative that happens to you (dfs)

I have low self confidence and self esteem stemming from being obese and financially illiterate for 33 of my 35 years of life. I've made a bunch of positive changes the last two year, but I think my window is shut.

Then be the type of guy who can find the 1% you're looking for.

IMO the thing with the hypothetical 1% OP is referring to likely want to take things relatively slow and will axe guys who are impatient and trying to escalate things too fast.
This is hard for a lot of men to do because of the attitude of "what's the point of waiting/taking things slow when 1)I could get what I want sooner from someone else and 2)I think the probability is low that it'll be worth it and nor do I know if this is just an act and she could still be screwing someone else in the meantime"

It takes me many dates/months to feel emotionally invested in someone so I'm not concerned about if they're being shady or not in that time and don't worry about it. Besides, they'll reveal their true selves sooner or later so long as they're comfortable around you and feel like you won't judge them.

There are lots of different ways to live a good life, but I agree with what you've been saying about marriage age. Just about everybody I went to high school with was married before 25. I got married at 22 to a 20-year-old. Out of my high school friend group, I know of one that is divorced. The rest are at or coming up on 20 years of marriage. My wife and I were both pretty mature when we got married but we also finished growing up together. By this point so many of our life experiences have been together we've had a lot of time to imprint on each other. My oldest turns 18 this year. Last summer I ran with him a bunch as he prepped for fall high school cross country. We went backpacking and climbed mountains together. My youngest is just 5 though, so I guess I get to experience being a young dad and an old(er) dad.

I get that there are reasons people wait, I'm just saying my observations agree with yours. Best chance at marrying quality is younger. Although, with my son not that far away from the age I got married, 22 seems really young to me now, lol. Nonetheless, good luck to the older guys still looking. There are still good women out there.

I don't really understand why men use dating apps (assuming you're looking for a serious relationship)

It brings really the worst type of women in potentially the most rigged playing field you can put yourself in

From my own experiences, women worth anything won't even be on dating apps. Women who want something serious are usually so repulsed by dating apps (the men in their likes, the messages they receive etc.) they don't even last a day on them srs. The girl you want to date will be spending time with family, going to the gym, doing productive things etc. and will be more than fine being single and doing her own thing. She won't be on dating apps hoping she meets some random man on a stupid app lol

Unless you're a Chad (8/10+ with very good pics), women won't even look your way or acknowledge you even exist lol. You're also probably going to be shooting 2-4 points lower than what you can pull irl.

Women are so bombarded by options and attention that unless you are far and away her best option, you are just going to waste your time.

On dating apps I rarely got over a 7/10 and these past few months alone I hanged out with three 8/10's and a straight up 10/10 (model tier srs) (met all irl)

Even though they all fizzled out at the end of the day, the point is that for most guys you're going to do significantly better irl and the headaches are going to be significantly less

Sounds cliche af, but focus on being happy, control what you can control and forget about anything you can't control. Put yourself in social situations (literally anything) where you can interact with people, even once a week is fine as long as you're making some effort.

Any age girl on dating apps is damaged goods.

I was talking to one like that recently. Said she was a virgin at 25 (yea ok) but the more I talked to her the more weird she acted. She started by sending a bunch of nudes and then told me she didn’t feel safe meeting up with me. U wot m8? Then we text on and off for a few days, I ask her for some more nudes. She was very average looking and the body wasn’t that great but I just wanted to see what she’d do. She started telling me she couldn’t wait to meet up and kiss me (more bipolar crap). I told her to send me a vid of her flicking her bean because I just didn’t give a f**k anymore and wanted to mess with her and she replies “you wish.” This was after some filthy sex talk on her end. I told her she was boring and then woke up the next day and she had blocked me on snap and the phone.

What a neurotic mess. I believe that she likely was a virgin. No dude is gonna put up with any of that crap. Again, this girl was a 5 but was acting like she was a 10. Just wild man.

I never wanted marriage or kids but that’s what I would have done had I wanted to take that path. I easily could have, I dated multiple women in my early-mid 20’s who wanted the white picket fence life. I didn’t though so I cut them loose.

I’m 32 now dating a 25 year old. Women in their 30’s are long gone. Way too much baggage

damn, i read all of your posts in this thread i think.

Where i'm at (Utah), it should be easy for mormon girls to be married before they hit 25, assuming they take advantage of all the opportunities they get. they have church events and activities to meet other single men in their age range, dating apps made exclusively for mormons, mormon universities that encourage dating other mormons, etc.

i'm 31 now (ignore profile age) and i look better than I did when I was 18-21, though i don't know how long this will last. I think it's easier for me now with women 30+ since a lot of guys my age have already went bald or have dad-bod, or just look very old. I still app-match with and date girls in their 20s, but it's not as much as when i was in my late 20's, since most girls 18-24 probably set their age limit to 29

Yea its over. People are leaving the country for better options

I think most of my friends on dating apps would say the men aren’t much better.

The women over 30 want relationships and say the men just want hookups so no one is happy.

The Mormon church is doing it a lot better than the Christian church. Whats funny is that you always hear people say "oh you need to meet a woman at church" and thats just not a thing at least at my church which probably has 2500 members give or take. You will see women that show up to the sermon but they are dragged there by their families and their families are usually dragged there by another family member. We have these bible studies before the sermons which are broken up by demographic. Youth, Young adults, 30+, married couples, senior basically. Im not exaggerating when I say the guys in the young adults group outnumber the women almost 5:1

Christian churches focus very heavily on married couples and children. I have noticed a lot of people basically confirming that this is the case everywhere. There isn't really anything in the middle and you are on your own after you graduate or dont marry. A lot of small groups also tend to be segregated too. You can go to almost any church website in my state and you will see the small groups are broken up into mens small group or womens small group. I get that church isn't supposed to be a place where you go to date, but it is the one place you should be looking for a wife if that is what you believe in and there are almost no events or anything that cater to something thats a net positive in the church.

I feel you on the age thing. Im getting more interest now as im in very good shape compared to people my age as im active and I never smoked or drank and sun exposure has only been from hobbies rather than tanmaxxing. Still have all my hair too. I have a little brother whos 27 and im almost 31 and two people in the past year have thought I was the younger brother. If I dyed some of my gray beard hairs I have I would probably pass for 26.

I thought my life was basically over at 30 and spent my entire 20's being invisible, but im just now thinking and hoping everything is just getting started. Its been absolutely brutal seeing happy couples for an entire decade knowing I couldn't get a single date. Im hoping im entering that phase in life where its an upward trajectory of being wanted until I die of old age. Being invisible for 12 years is a type of torture no man should go through.

yeah i've been to some christian churches (i'm no longer religious, but went with some friends back in the day to both mormon and christian churches) and while they do have some events for single young adults, it seemed like it would a lot harder to find a partner there versus mormon church events.

with the christian churches, it seemed to be full of young adults that attend the weekly sunday congregation to see the rock band play along with some other stuff, then leave. With the mormon church, it seemed that the church lifestyle followed them even outside of church, so it was no surprise that the dating aspect followed them outside of the church, in a good way

Yes you should keep exercising, eating healthy, and improving/maintaining looks, as well as finding ways to make those processes more simple, sustainable and efficient (working out 2-3x a week versus 5-6, tracking steps to make sure you get 10k, being able to eyeball calories, having simple skincare routine, etc). try something new, like expanding your social circle via meetups, or even bumble bff (warning its full of mostly gay men but you can sometimes find straight normies to hang with)

Yeah the social circle could help but its already hard to maintain some friendships so adding more to the mix means I have to cut some others.

You're young, though, so it's easier to meet people out in social groups.

When you're over 30 your options are limited in terms of meeting people. Most people I know in my generation who married met at work, but now that's frowned upon. You could join a tennis or volleyball league but most of the people are married. it's hard to talk to strangers at the gym until it's the usual regulars, like I knew the "end of the night" crew.

Volunteer events may be an option. I've only done the ones with all females.