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post 1696535793 01-17-2024, 03:34 PM
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Lol at the morons who've been gaslit from day one and continue to let their jello brains be molded by the narrative.

Score one for the CTers who called it. Repeatedly. We are now on the "We already knew that" stage. I'm just astounded people can mentally pretzel their mind into accepting this as normal operations.

This is all coming out now because there will not be any consequences. Does any jello brains stop and wonder why this article didn't come out 4 fukking years ago if "we already knew that"?
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Originally Posted By Procta⏩
BREAKING: Chinese lab had COVID-19 mapped two weeks before global outbreak - WSJ

It’s ok, because wincel says we shouldn’t point it out or push back because it might piss them off and cause conflicts.



Just when you thought he couldn’t get any more demoralized he goes and makes a statement like that.
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
4 years later
4 years after completely shutting down lab leak
4 years after lying his ass off to the entire world



Bodhy be like:

"He's someone just exhorting everyone to exercise due scientific diligence."


What a complete fuсking moron.




his pseudo-intellectual drivel and attempts at sounding halfway intelligent are fkn comical.
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It's escaped the CT cards attention that there is still no real tangible evidence of the lab leak.


This whole thread is just reading what they want to see into Collin's words. When all he is really saying is that we should let scientific evidence dictate what we believe and not let conspiratorial crap overwhelm us.
Back off, Warchild.

Seriously.
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Reminder that fauci participated in setting this lab up and then spread lies that got people killed

Libs keep hitching their wagons to some real winners
while shutting down the economy while he collected his 500K salary and collected millions in kickbacks from big pharma.
post 1696542603 01-17-2024, 06:27 PM
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It's not as bad as China currently developing a lethal Covid variant that for now, kills mice at a rate of 100%.

Why, if not to "accidentally" release it on its enemies and itself? Like Murder-Suicide.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
It's escaped the CT cards attention that there is still no real tangible evidence of the lab leak.


This whole thread is just reading what they want to see into Collin's words. When all he is really saying is that we should let scientific evidence dictate what we believe and not let conspiratorial crap overwhelm us.
-Makes the single dumbest comment in this thread
-Acts like we don't understand what the title of the thread means to make himself feel better
-Proceeds to call everyone a CT Tard after he bought into the 'conspiracy theory'liefor 4 years
-Proceeds to dismiss lab leak theory as 'conspiratorial crap'
post 1696544083 01-17-2024, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
It's escaped the CT cards attention that there is still no real tangible evidence of the lab leak.


This whole thread is just reading what they want to see into Collin's words. When all he is really saying is that we should let scientific evidence dictate what we believe and not let conspiratorial crap overwhelm us.
Even with 100% proof, you would still deny. Hell, even the great Fauci himself is giving credibility to the lab leak.

What's wrong with you?
post 1696557813 01-18-2024, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
I'll take a very simply guess at what happened, as it explains everything.

After getting told no by DARPA, ecohealth alliance didn't just decide "ok, fine, we won't do this research". I think they went and got funding from the Chinese military.

Some fkwit, with inadequate training, fked up and there was a leak.

Everything that followed, was an attempt to cover up the fact that the chinese military funded project diffuse.
Big update with DARPA proposal Project DEFUSE just came out yesterday. US Right To Know and a couple others did a FOIA request to get everything they have on Project DEFUSE, including all the drafts. 1400 pages have been uploaded here:

https://archive.org/details/2021-006...cords-redacted


They think they found a smoking gun with the purchase order of restriction enzyme BsmBl that was found in SARS-CoV-2.

Three scientists wrote a paper on BsmBl back in 2022 titled "Endonuclease fingerprint indicates a synthetic origin of SARS-CoV-2."

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...10.18.512756v1

It explains how SARS-CoV-2 has this restriction site enzyme that is typical for synthetic viruses. "The synthetic fingerprint of SARS-CoV-2 is anomalous in wild coronaviruses, and common in lab-assembled viruses."

One of them tweeted: "We explained how these enzymes are the go-to guys for CoV reverse genetics systems and were favored by labs like WIV."

Now, since they see DEFUSE intended on purchasing BsmBl, they think that may be the smokin gun.









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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
It's escaped the CT cards attention that there is still no real tangible evidence of the lab leak.


This whole thread is just reading what they want to see into Collin's words. When all he is really saying is that we should let scientific evidence dictate what we believe and not let conspiratorial crap overwhelm us.
To me it’s not really the issue and never has been. Was it bat soup or a lab leak? We may never know - what we DO know is China lied about it, tried to cover it up, and betrayed every other country in the world. They should have to pay for this, but of course absolutely nothing will happen.
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
To me it’s not really the issue and never has been. Was it bat soup or a lab leak? We may never know - what we DO know is China lied about it, tried to cover it up, and betrayed every other country in the world. They should have to pay for this, but of course absolutely nothing will happen.
you are a brain dead moron if you think it was bat soup.
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Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
you are a brain dead moron if you think it was bat soup.
Your response to that post was pretty braindead boyo.
post 1696569843 01-18-2024, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
Was it bat soup or a lab leak? We may never know
Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
you are a brain dead moron if you think it was bat soup.
what is the confusion about the response?
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Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
you are a brain dead moron if you think it was bat soup.
Just because it originated near a lab in Wuhan, doesn't mean it came from a lab in Wuhan.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Just because a novel, dangerous, fast-mutating coronavirus originated near a lab in Wuhan, doesn't mean it came from a lab in Wuhan where they were doing gain of function research on coronaviruses.
expanded that a little bit more.
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Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
expanded that a little bit more.
You should also add that a lot of the characteristics it has indicate that it was manipulated by humans.




It might not be an altered virus….but it’s definitely wearing an altered viruses uniform.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
You should also add that a lot of the characteristics it has indicate that it was manipulated by humans.




It might not be an altered virus….but it’s definitely wearing an altered viruses uniform.
I thought about adding that it had synthetic markers, but that would invite the Covidians to argue so I just left it with the simple, logical, non-arguable common sense points that make anyone who thinks it came from bat soup a brain dead moron.
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
To me it’s not really the issue and never has been. Was it bat soup or a lab leak? We may never know - what we DO know is China lied about it, tried to cover it up, and betrayed every other country in the world. They should have to pay for this, but of course absolutely nothing will happen.
This is a dishonest post.

I like how you try to sound reasonable by saying bat soup or lab leak became irrelevant when China allowed it to spread.

What you don't say is China lied about it, tried to cover it and betrayed every individual across the planet with the help of international organizations, the permanent government, the media and their acolytes(like you). They did this for the purpose of removing Trump from office by focusing all blame on him by actively removing China from focus, purposefully tanking the economy, purposefully exaggerating the threat and purposefully lying to the public about how to respond. Was miscinbro railing against China or Donald Trump during the height of covid?



China and America are not enemies - they are working together.

The U.S. and China worked together to develop covid and they used it to their mutual benefit.

China, the permanent government and international organizations all benefited from covid by removing a common enemy from the board(or so they thought lol) and people like you helped.
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Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
what is the confusion about the response?
I dunno’ maybe the part where I am personally very convinced it came from the lab? Maybe the part where I explain why it doesn’t really matter. The Wuhan lab was setup to study stuff like this and China did study it and cut a million safety corners and it got out. That’s what I believe.

Is there something there you think is “moronic?”
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Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
This is a dishonest post. …

What you don't say is China lied about it, tried to cover it and betrayed every individual across the planet with the help of international organizations …
Is this a joke? AI spambot gone wrong? You’re almost quoting my post as you say “I didn’t say those things” - therefor I’m dishonest.
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
I dunno’ maybe the part where I am personally very convinced it came from the lab? Maybe the part where I explain why it doesn’t really matter. The Wuhan lab was setup to study stuff like this and China did study it and cut a million safety corners and it got out. That’s what I believe.

Is there something there you think is “moronic?”
It doesn't matter to you that USA-funded scientists created a virus that killed 10 million people but nobody got punished for it and the USA is continuing to fund the creation of dangerous viruses.

That's a pretty high bar for mattering.
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Funnily enough, something similar played out in 2011 but the public was made to believe the enemy was foreign that time instead of domestic, eventually the public caught on though and identified who their enemy really was.



The approval ratings of George W. Bush ranged from a record high to a record low.

Bush began his presidency with ratings near 60%.[3]In the time of national crisis following the September 11 attacks, polls showed approval ratings greater than 85%, peaking in at 92%,[4] as well as a steady 80–90% approval for about four months after the attacks.[5]

Afterward, his ratings steadily declined as the economy suffered and the Iraq War initiated by his administration continued.By early 2006, his average rating was near 40%, and in July 2008, a poll indicated a low of 22%.



That is why they had to wait so long to blame China and admit that they were LYING this WHOLE time about EVERYTHING.



Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
Is this a joke? AI spambot gone wrong? You’re almost quoting my post as you say “I didn’t say those things” - therefor I’m dishonest.
Lol.
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Originally Posted By Kewbrah⏩
It doesn't matter to you that USA-funded scientists created a virus that killed 10 million people but nobody got punished for it and the USA is continuing to fund the creation of dangerous viruses.

That's a pretty high bar for mattering.
You might want to read the thread before you embarrass yourself more.

But if you’re trying to lay this at the feet of the USA you can go fck right off.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Just because it originated near a lab in Wuhan, doesn't mean it came from a lab in Wuhan.
Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
It clearly came from the lab. It was also almost certainly just China taking safety shortcuts (shocking concept). What we should punish China for though was trying to cover it up and allowing flights out of the county from Wuhan.
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Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
Lol.
It’s always been my opinion it was a lab leak.
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
It’s always been my opinion it was a lab leak.
You know why I'm saying you are dishonest but you are acting like you don't, you're ridiculousbro lol.
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
I dunno’ maybe the part where I am personally very convinced it came from the lab? Maybe the part where I explain why it doesn’t really matter. The Wuhan lab was setup to study stuff like this and China did study it and cut a million safety corners and it got out. That’s what I believe.

Is there something there you think is “moronic?”
oh lol I meant that for people in general, not directed at you and calling you a moron. I was just expressing my opinion that its not a "who knows" thing its a "bat soup = you are a moron" thing. not you in particular.
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
You might want to read the thread before you embarrass yourself more.

But if you’re trying to lay this at the feet of the USA you can go fck right off.
This isn't 2020 anymore. The details timeline of the funding, creation, coverup etc are now all on the public record.
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Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
You know why I'm saying you are dishonest but you are acting like you don't, you're ridiculousbro lol.
No … I really don’t. You literally quoted me and lied about my post. Like right there, paragraph by paragraph.
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Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
oh lol I meant that for people in general, not directed at you and calling you a moron. I was just expressing my opinion that its not a "who knows" thing its a "bat soup = you are a moron" thing. not you in particular.
Gotcha’ and my mistake. Apologies, I’ve been getting a lot of hate here for my last post.
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