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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
I don't see any reason to disparage this guy's story. At the same time, the Ukranians are putting up a formidable fight, sosomeoneis out there killing Russians.As we know from others that have said these things, this guy must be a putin loving kremlin troll
Seems to me that Ukraine currently has a large surplus of willing fighters (and some unwilling ones), the problem is that its not 1940 and you can't simply hand someone a rifle and tell them to go kill the enemy.
People need training and integration into proper units and all that takes time. I would imagine that the first people who weren't already in a properly organised unit to get integrated and armed would be men under the age of 35 who already had military experience and were native Ukranians.
There's likely 10s of 1000s of those guys to deal with so much as Ukraine likely appreciates the propoganda value of foreigners coming over to fight for them, they have more urgent candidates to deal with.
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It's kind of danced around in that article but a big part of the foreign fighters' negative experiences is possibly because many Ukranians, like their cousins across the border, are racist as fuk and paranoid about handing vital supplies and weapons to foreigners.
"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
05-07-2022, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted By Mr
Ukraine has heavily fortified encampments in the donbas. If russian soldiers move in its a killing field and some of these fortifications span miles. Obviously someone saw this attack coming. But russia has started advancing in baby steps and their casualties recently are very low.I don't see any reason to disparage this guy's story. At the same time, the Ukranians are putting up a formidable fight, sosomeoneis out there killing Russians.
Seems to me that Ukraine currently has a large surplus of willing fighters (and some unwilling ones), the problem is that its not 1940 and you can't simply hand someone a rifle and tell them to go kill the enemy.
People need training and integration into proper units and all that takes time. I would imagine that the first people who weren't already in a properly organised unit to get integrated and armed would be men under the age of 35 who already had military experience and were native Ukranians.
There's likely 10s of 1000s of those guys to deal with so much as Ukraine likely appreciates the propoganda value of foreigners coming over to fight for them, they have more urgent candidates to deal with.
EDIT
It's kind of danced around in that article but a big part of the foreign fighters' negative experiences is possibly because many Ukranians, like their cousins across the border, are racist as fuk and paranoid about handing vital supplies and weapons to foreigners.
Seems to me that Ukraine currently has a large surplus of willing fighters (and some unwilling ones), the problem is that its not 1940 and you can't simply hand someone a rifle and tell them to go kill the enemy.
People need training and integration into proper units and all that takes time. I would imagine that the first people who weren't already in a properly organised unit to get integrated and armed would be men under the age of 35 who already had military experience and were native Ukranians.
There's likely 10s of 1000s of those guys to deal with so much as Ukraine likely appreciates the propoganda value of foreigners coming over to fight for them, they have more urgent candidates to deal with.
EDIT
It's kind of danced around in that article but a big part of the foreign fighters' negative experiences is possibly because many Ukranians, like their cousins across the border, are racist as fuk and paranoid about handing vital supplies and weapons to foreigners.
Heres a video of a gas station in i think odessa:
https://videopress.com/v/oy0tAXln
This is a couple weeks old and they dont even have diesel anymore.
Russia can easily resupply through mariupol so all they have to do is keep blowing up ukraines supply lines and wait it out.
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05-07-2022, 04:23 PM
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Great rusan intel has found out Ukranians have used black magic to fight off the invaders. Hope the vatniks get good tarot cards and enough crystals to replenish their chakras for this
https://ria-ru.translate.goog/202205..._x_tr_pto=wapp
poots strategy is now to have a large number russians killed on Ukraine soil so their ghosts can haunt Ukranians for generations until they finally move. Truly 5d chess
https://ria-ru.translate.goog/202205..._x_tr_pto=wapp
poots strategy is now to have a large number russians killed on Ukraine soil so their ghosts can haunt Ukranians for generations until they finally move. Truly 5d chess
05-07-2022, 04:24 PM
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https://sonar21.com/the-russian-time...n-the-ukraine/
THE RUSSIAN TIMELINE CRITIQUE IN THE UKRAINE
A common theme marshaled to “prove” that Russia is failing in its war with Ukraine is that Russia failed to quickly take Kiev and, in fact, was forced to retreat from Kiev. In addition, the military analysts that populate the cable news channels in the United States insist that the Russians are bogged down and not making the rapid progress they (the Russians) expected.
This is nonsense. I defy anyone to show me one statement by Putin or the Russian General Staff where a specific timeline was established or identified. This is a construct of western military analysts who do not have access to Russia’s military plan and are projecting their own wishful thinking as “evidence” of a flailing Russian military.
But it is not only western military analysts sounding the Debbie downer dirge. A blogger popular with many Russia watchers, Strelkov, also is pushing the narrative that Russia is bogged down in the Donbas. More about Stelkov in a moment.
I find it amusing that retired American Generals and Colonels who populate Fox, CNN, MSNBC and Newsmax are busy critiquing tactics they themselves have never carried out. The last time the United States was on a battlefield fighting an organized military with potent air power, artillery and tanks was in Korea. Most of these guys (e.g., General Keane) were in diapers or in elementary school. None of them were on that battlefield.
The United States’ war experience since 1960 has been against third world armies that did not have a modern air force and significant armor capabilities. The closest we have come to fighting a real army was the North Vietnamese. But the North Vietnamese relied more on human waves in combating the U.S. military and the United States had withdrawn its combat units from Vietnam with the North Vietnamese swept south and defeated the South Vietnamese. (I want to add that American troops in Vietnam, for the most part, fought bravely despite a military and political leadership that betrayed their sacrifice. It is not un-American to ask the question–what did they die for?)
Russia is not playing the United States’ game. When George W. Bush launched “shock and awe” in Iraq in March of 2003, the media briefings and images from the frontlines played an important role in convincing the American public that our multi-billion dollar military was moving like a devil’s scythe through the Iraqi forces. It was only after Bush’s Mission Accomplished speech that Americans had to come to grips with the fact that we did not control Iraq and that a viable insurgency existed.
So what is my point? The Russian military leadership and Vladimir Putin are not spending time feeding reporters with daily briefs of body counts of Ukrainian fighters or showing drone footage of Russians wiping out Ukrainian entrenched positions.
Americans indulge the delusion that we have a free, vibrant press. Yet, military analysts like Scott Ritter and Doug MacGregor are rarely invited to appear on any cable broadcast to offer a dissenting view on the narrative being force fed to the gullible, ignorant public. I will repeat a point I made early on in the Russian campaign regarding the 40 mile Russian column that lurked for more than a week north of Kiev. U.S. analysts insisted this was evidence of Russian incompetence in keeping these tanks and trucks supplied with fuel. Yet, during the entire time this big fat Russia target sat exposed, the mighty Ukrainian military failed to launch any significant attack designed to destroy that column.
This is not a minor point. No Ukrainian air assets (fixed or rotary wing) attacked the column. No Ukrainian artillery units shelled the exposed Russian tanks and trucks. And no Ukrainian tank units attacked the supposedly stalled Russians. Why? Because Ukraine had no capability to carry out such strikes.
What was Russia doing? Ritter, MacGregor and Martyanov, among others (including yours truly) saw this as a feint designed to pin down Ukrainian forces around Kiev that were dug in while Russia prepped to focus on the Donbas and the southern littoral of Ukraine.
THE RUSSIAN TIMELINE CRITIQUE IN THE UKRAINE
A common theme marshaled to “prove” that Russia is failing in its war with Ukraine is that Russia failed to quickly take Kiev and, in fact, was forced to retreat from Kiev. In addition, the military analysts that populate the cable news channels in the United States insist that the Russians are bogged down and not making the rapid progress they (the Russians) expected.
This is nonsense. I defy anyone to show me one statement by Putin or the Russian General Staff where a specific timeline was established or identified. This is a construct of western military analysts who do not have access to Russia’s military plan and are projecting their own wishful thinking as “evidence” of a flailing Russian military.
But it is not only western military analysts sounding the Debbie downer dirge. A blogger popular with many Russia watchers, Strelkov, also is pushing the narrative that Russia is bogged down in the Donbas. More about Stelkov in a moment.
I find it amusing that retired American Generals and Colonels who populate Fox, CNN, MSNBC and Newsmax are busy critiquing tactics they themselves have never carried out. The last time the United States was on a battlefield fighting an organized military with potent air power, artillery and tanks was in Korea. Most of these guys (e.g., General Keane) were in diapers or in elementary school. None of them were on that battlefield.
The United States’ war experience since 1960 has been against third world armies that did not have a modern air force and significant armor capabilities. The closest we have come to fighting a real army was the North Vietnamese. But the North Vietnamese relied more on human waves in combating the U.S. military and the United States had withdrawn its combat units from Vietnam with the North Vietnamese swept south and defeated the South Vietnamese. (I want to add that American troops in Vietnam, for the most part, fought bravely despite a military and political leadership that betrayed their sacrifice. It is not un-American to ask the question–what did they die for?)
Russia is not playing the United States’ game. When George W. Bush launched “shock and awe” in Iraq in March of 2003, the media briefings and images from the frontlines played an important role in convincing the American public that our multi-billion dollar military was moving like a devil’s scythe through the Iraqi forces. It was only after Bush’s Mission Accomplished speech that Americans had to come to grips with the fact that we did not control Iraq and that a viable insurgency existed.
So what is my point? The Russian military leadership and Vladimir Putin are not spending time feeding reporters with daily briefs of body counts of Ukrainian fighters or showing drone footage of Russians wiping out Ukrainian entrenched positions.
Americans indulge the delusion that we have a free, vibrant press. Yet, military analysts like Scott Ritter and Doug MacGregor are rarely invited to appear on any cable broadcast to offer a dissenting view on the narrative being force fed to the gullible, ignorant public. I will repeat a point I made early on in the Russian campaign regarding the 40 mile Russian column that lurked for more than a week north of Kiev. U.S. analysts insisted this was evidence of Russian incompetence in keeping these tanks and trucks supplied with fuel. Yet, during the entire time this big fat Russia target sat exposed, the mighty Ukrainian military failed to launch any significant attack designed to destroy that column.
This is not a minor point. No Ukrainian air assets (fixed or rotary wing) attacked the column. No Ukrainian artillery units shelled the exposed Russian tanks and trucks. And no Ukrainian tank units attacked the supposedly stalled Russians. Why? Because Ukraine had no capability to carry out such strikes.
What was Russia doing? Ritter, MacGregor and Martyanov, among others (including yours truly) saw this as a feint designed to pin down Ukrainian forces around Kiev that were dug in while Russia prepped to focus on the Donbas and the southern littoral of Ukraine.
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05-07-2022, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted By B.O.L.A.⏩
What a disaster. Apparently the military reforms to strengthen their NCO corps was all a scam. They're still fighting war like it's WW2.Survival. When the jungle tears itself down and builds itself into something new. Guys like you and me, we end up dead. Doesn’t really mean anything. Or, if we happen to live through it, well that doesn’t mean anything either.
05-07-2022, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Calling Strelkov aka Igor Girkin, aka the military leader of the DNR - also mass murdering FSB head honcho extraordinaire who recently had a fall out with Putin because although he's a piece of chit he's also quite smart and not afraid to tell things as they are - some popular blogger is lol.Ludicrous amounts of cope
Calling convicted pa3do Scott Ritter who ran off to the Russians and has been reciting Kremlin talking points under the guise of "analysis" at RT as a worthwhile analyst is just sad.
Trying to call out US generals criticizing the Russians as "b-but they were in their diapers" and saying that the US never fought a near peer army is just childish and usual Russian behaviour. There's a reason you don't start wars - besides it generally being a bad idea - against near peers, it's fuking retarded. Well not as if anyone on the planet could compete with the US, especially on the topic of force projection, but that's another topic.
Trying to talk down Iraq 2003 as some failed endeavour is just a flat out lie.
All in all it's just a whole lot amount of nothing, conveniently dodging all their fuk ups, their WW2 era thinking and doctrine and their tendency of suffering horrific losses - see Afghanistan, Chechen Wars, and now this - and "b-but what about that other thing", business as usual.
05-07-2022, 05:12 PM
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This is all very on point, it's just pathetic to compare the US Gulf War back to back military victories unfavourably against the current Russian shambles. Any sensible observor knows that if the US were running this war against Ukraine, it would have involved 3 days of completely devastating bombing followed by a few weeks of cautious mopping up with more US deaths caused in accidents and friendly fire than by enemy action.
The one thing I will say is that the author makes a good point about the Russian traffic jam - if Ukraine had the capability to strike that hard, they would have. And they didn't. I don't agree with his conclusions though.
The one thing I will say is that the author makes a good point about the Russian traffic jam - if Ukraine had the capability to strike that hard, they would have. And they didn't. I don't agree with his conclusions though.
Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
Calling Strelkov aka Igor Girkin, aka the military leader of the DNR - also mass murdering FSB head honcho extraordinaire who recently had a fall out with Putin because although he's a piece of chit he's also quite smart and not afraid to tell things as they are - some popular blogger is lol.
Calling convicted pa3do Scott Ritter who ran off to the Russians and has been reciting Kremlin talking points under the guise of "analysis" at RT as a worthwhile analyst is just sad.
Trying to call out US generals criticizing the Russians as "b-but they were in their diapers" and saying that the US never fought a near peer army is just childish and usual Russian behaviour. There's a reason you don't start wars - besides it generally being a bad idea - against near peers, it's fuking retarded. Well not as if anyone on the planet could compete with the US, especially on the topic of force projection, but that's another topic.
Trying to talk down Iraq 2003 as some failed endeavour is just a flat out lie.
All in all it's just a whole lot amount of nothing, conveniently dodging all their fuk ups, their WW2 era thinking and doctrine and their tendency of suffering horrific losses - see Afghanistan, Chechen Wars, and now this - and "b-but what about that other thing", business as usual.
Calling convicted pa3do Scott Ritter who ran off to the Russians and has been reciting Kremlin talking points under the guise of "analysis" at RT as a worthwhile analyst is just sad.
Trying to call out US generals criticizing the Russians as "b-but they were in their diapers" and saying that the US never fought a near peer army is just childish and usual Russian behaviour. There's a reason you don't start wars - besides it generally being a bad idea - against near peers, it's fuking retarded. Well not as if anyone on the planet could compete with the US, especially on the topic of force projection, but that's another topic.
Trying to talk down Iraq 2003 as some failed endeavour is just a flat out lie.
All in all it's just a whole lot amount of nothing, conveniently dodging all their fuk ups, their WW2 era thinking and doctrine and their tendency of suffering horrific losses - see Afghanistan, Chechen Wars, and now this - and "b-but what about that other thing", business as usual.
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Originally Posted By Mr
He's saying the US strategy in the gulf is not comparable to what Russia is doing, and you're saying thats correct but he's still wrong....This is all very on point, it's just pathetic to compare the US Gulf War back to back military victories unfavourably against the current Russian shambles. Any sensible observor knows that if the US were running this war against Ukraine, it would have involved 3 days of completely devastating bombing followed by a few weeks of cautious mopping up with more US deaths caused in accidents and friendly fire than by enemy action.
The one thing I will say is that the author makes a good point about the Russian traffic jam - if Ukraine had the capability to strike that hard, they would have. And they didn't. I don't agree with his conclusions though.
The one thing I will say is that the author makes a good point about the Russian traffic jam - if Ukraine had the capability to strike that hard, they would have. And they didn't. I don't agree with his conclusions though.

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05-07-2022, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted By DSTEE⏩
this is a satire article right??? ****ing lol if that's a real article, the kremlin propagandists need some fuicking sleepGreat rusan intel has found out Ukranians have used black magic to fight off the invaders. Hope the vatniks get good tarot cards and enough crystals to replenish their chakras for this
https://ria-ru.translate.goog/202205..._x_tr_pto=wapp
https://ria-ru.translate.goog/202205..._x_tr_pto=wapp
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
Strelkovs popularity is irrelevant to the points made. (You're an idiot)Calling Strelkov aka Igor Girkin, aka the military leader of the DNR - also mass murdering FSB head honcho extraordinaire who recently had a fall out with Putin because although he's a piece of chit he's also quite smart and not afraid to tell things as they are - some popular blogger is lol.
Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
All Russian info is fake and all Ukrainian info is real (the hallmark of an idiot)Calling convicted pa3do Scott Ritter who ran off to the Russians and has been reciting Kremlin talking points under the guise of "analysis" at RT as a worthwhile analyst is just sad.
Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
Feel free to give a specific example if you can tear yourself away from accusing everyone that disagrees with you of being Russian (this is what idiots do)Trying to call out US generals criticizing the Russians as "b-but they were in their diapers" and saying that the US never fought a near peer army is just childish and usual Russian behaviour. There's a reason you don't start wars - besides it generally being a bad idea - against near peers, it's fuking retarded. Well not as if anyone on the planet could compete with the US, especially on the topic of force projection, but that's another topic.
Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
LOLTrying to talk down Iraq 2003 as some failed endeavour is just a flat out lie.
Yes the mission was totally accomplished
Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
All in all it's just a whole lot amount of nothing, conveniently dodging all their fuk ups, their WW2 era thinking and doctrine and their tendency of suffering horrific losses - see Afghanistan, Chechen Wars, and now this - and "b-but what about that other thing", business as usual.
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05-07-2022, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
I just said that Strelkov's observations and comments were right, so how am I calling all Russian info fake? Take the L. The article does not refute anything he has said, the potato Kremlin retard just calls him an idiot and calls it a day.Strelkovs popularity is irrelevant to the points made. (You're an idiot)
All Russian info is fake and all Ukrainian info is real (the hallmark of an idiot)
Feel free to give a specific example if you can tear yourself away from accusing everyone that disagrees with you of being Russian (this is what idiots do)
LOL
Yes the mission was totally accomplished
All Russian info is fake and all Ukrainian info is real (the hallmark of an idiot)
Feel free to give a specific example if you can tear yourself away from accusing everyone that disagrees with you of being Russian (this is what idiots do)
LOL
Yes the mission was totally accomplished
The US-led Coalition accomplished its military objectives in around 3 weeks, but let's go with 5 weeks for argument's sake. 7000 miles away from the US. Simply no argument there.
Meanwhile Russia invaded its neighbour with 2000+ kms of land border almost a decade ago, spent the better part of a year of building up and all they have to show for it is "well nobody can say we didn't achieve our objectives because we have never specified our objectives in the first place" and "well our convoy spent a week diking around for no particular reason and nothing to show for it, but at least they didn't get bombed - they did - by our inferior neighbour whose military we have allegedly neutralized in a single day".
I fully understand how it's extremely hard for you to deal with the reality that Russia fuked up its last war and it's going to the chitter for the foreseeable future, but there is really no need for spamming all the made up schizo strawmen talking points.
I also understand how "Ukraine is throwing 60 year old potato farmers at Rasha" - "Rasha never intended to achieve anything with the Kiev/northern front, it was all a feint" - "Rasha making advancements despite losing ground" make sense to your schizo mind.
05-07-2022, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted By Smithers115⏩
Its state owned media lolthis is a satire article right??? ****ing lol if that's a real article, the kremlin propagandists need some fuicking sleep
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIA_Novosti
I knew poot was a supersticious quack and a sucker for mongolian/chinese broscience «medicine», but this was next level cope
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Originally Posted By DSTEE⏩
LolI knew poot was a supersticious quack and a sucker for mongolian/chinese broscience «medicine», but this was next level cope
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Does anyone have any articles about how much of a chunk of land Russia is planning on occupying? What does intelligence say? Does anyone have a map on what that would look like?
Tnx, fellow retards.
Tnx, fellow retards.
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Originally Posted By BalkanPrince⏩
The land they have now essentially, maybe odessa tooDoes anyone have any articles about how much of a chunk of land Russia is planning on occupying? What does intelligence say? Does anyone have a map on what that would look like?
Tnx, fellow retards.
Tnx, fellow retards.
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Originally Posted By BalkanPrince⏩
Rootin'-tootin Vladdy Putin will take whatever he wants. That's not the objective of the special military operation thoughDoes anyone have any articles about how much of a chunk of land Russia is planning on occupying? What does intelligence say? Does anyone have a map on what that would look like?
Tnx, fellow retards.
Tnx, fellow retards.
The special military operation's objective is to protect the people of Donbass from the nazi genocide
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LOL the nazis have started firing rockets at civilians in the own russian controlled cities after finding out the people there are okay with becoming russian rather than ukrainian
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
He is definitely going to try and landlock Ukraine by taking Odessa. What is the point if rolling into Melitopol and Mariupol if he isn’t willing to connect it to Odessa and close them to the black sea completely? Would seem half-assed.The land they have now essentially, maybe odessa too
Do you think he will go to the Dnipro river as a additional buffer against NATO?
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Originally Posted By BalkanPrince⏩
Landlocking Ukraine will have to suffice as a consolation prize since Putin can't feasibly take all of Ukraine.. Once Ukraine is landlocked, it will be easier to bring them into the Russian sphere over time, but this will take decades and Putin won't live long enough to see it.He is definitely going to try and landlock Ukraine by taking Odessa. What is the point if rolling into Melitopol and Mariupol if he isn’t willing to connect it to Odessa and close them to the black sea completely? Would seem half-assed.
Do you think he will go to the Dnipro river as a additional buffer against NATO?
Do you think he will go to the Dnipro river as a additional buffer against NATO?
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05-07-2022, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
That fits the Russian nazis perfectly. Good point.LOL the nazis have started firing rockets at civilians in the own russian controlled cities after finding out the people there are okay with becoming russian rather than ukrainian
05-07-2022, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted By BalkanPrince⏩
They give russia the land and water access they want and allow them to control the donbas. I dont think shutting ukraine out is the primary objective, thats more like a secondary bonus if feasibleHe is definitely going to try and landlock Ukraine by taking Odessa. What is the point if rolling into Melitopol and Mariupol if he isn’t willing to connect it to Odessa and close them to the black sea completely? Would seem half-assed.
Do you think he will go to the Dnipro river as a additional buffer against NATO?
Do you think he will go to the Dnipro river as a additional buffer against NATO?
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Originally Posted By N0stradamus⏩
Yeah the "landlocking" part won't happen.Landlocking Ukraine will have to suffice as a consolation prize since Putin can't feasibly take all of Ukraine.. Once Ukraine is landlocked, it will be easier to bring them into the Russian sphere over time, but this will take decades and Putin won't live long enough to see it.
Kherson is under Russian control and they do have massive forces there, but their Mikolajiv attempts have been repeatedly beaten back and Odessa is a whole another topic.
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Mariupol welcoming Russian soldiers and thanking them for coming
https://videopress.com/v/mMgGTFld
This is why the nazis are happy to shell their own cities in this area
https://videopress.com/v/mMgGTFld
This is why the nazis are happy to shell their own cities in this area
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Originally Posted By BalkanPrince⏩
no way they can take odessa or even Mikolaiv. ...those places are fortresses.He is definitely going to try and landlock Ukraine by taking Odessa. What is the point if rolling into Melitopol and Mariupol if he isn’t willing to connect it to Odessa and close them to the black sea completely? Would seem half-assed.
Do you think he will go to the Dnipro river as a additional buffer against NATO?
Do you think he will go to the Dnipro river as a additional buffer against NATO?
(these are my opinions i am not a licensed broker by trade)
05-07-2022, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted By N0stradamus⏩
Landlocking Ukraine will have to suffice as a consolation prize since Putin can't feasibly take all of Ukraine.. Once Ukraine is landlocked, it will be easier to bring them into the Russian sphere over time, but this will take decades and Putin won't live long enough to see it.
Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
The land they have now essentially, maybe odessa too
Originally Posted By BalkanPrince⏩
RU forces -He is definitely going to try and landlock Ukraine by taking Odessa. What is the point if rolling into Melitopol and Mariupol if he isn’t willing to connect it to Odessa and close them to the black sea completely? Would seem half-assed.
Do you think he will go to the Dnipro river as a additional buffer against NATO?
Do you think he will go to the Dnipro river as a additional buffer against NATO?
control less territory in Ukraine than they did two weeks ago with many successful Ukrainian counteroffensives;
can't even take a few km's down a single road in Donbas;
don't even control but 50% of Donetsk Oblast(one of two oblasts of Donbas) with their stated objective of 100%, and still haven't even taken over all of Luhansk Oblast yet either(they have about about 90%, UAF 10%);
have had many many offensives in Donbas successfully beaten back by UAF; almost all of them have been;
have lost confirmed over 600 tanks already of an initial 1500 brought to the conflict;
aren't able to fly anywhere over Ukraine other than where their forces control territory and then only fly at the lowest levels;
have suffered numerous successful attacks to their navy off the southern coast;
have been unsuccessful pushing towards Mykolaiv(last city they'd need to take before advancing on Odessa from the east) and have taken extremely heavy men and materiel losses in the area so much so it has become a joke meme in Ukraine
and I could go with more if I wanted
.... so they're not going to be able to take the heavily defended/armed, massively entrenched, with massive underground tunnel complexes throughout, third largest city in Ukraine of Odessa
not even happnin cuz
they won't ever even get close
They've taken what they can take and will only lose on the average from here forward
RU reached its greatest territorial control in Ukraine on Mar 18 and it has been going down ever since
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