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Odessa Catacombs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odessa_Catacombs
2,500 km / 1,600 miles of tunnels under Odessa
Odessa's tunnels are the invaders' nightmare
but then again, no sizable RU force will ever get close to it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odessa_Catacombs
2,500 km / 1,600 miles of tunnels under Odessa
Odessa's tunnels are the invaders' nightmare
but then again, no sizable RU force will ever get close to it
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
We won't have any of that herehttps://sonar21.com/the-russian-time...n-the-ukraine/
THE RUSSIAN TIMELINE CRITIQUE IN THE UKRAINE
A common theme marshaled to “prove” that Russia is failing in its war with Ukraine is that Russia failed to quickly take Kiev and, in fact, was forced to retreat from Kiev. In addition, the military analysts that populate the cable news channels in the United States insist that the Russians are bogged down and not making the rapid progress they (the Russians) expected.
This is nonsense. I defy anyone to show me one statement by Putin or the Russian General Staff where a specific timeline was established or identified. This is a construct of western military analysts who do not have access to Russia’s military plan and are projecting their own wishful thinking as “evidence” of a flailing Russian military.
But it is not only western military analysts sounding the Debbie downer dirge. A blogger popular with many Russia watchers, Strelkov, also is pushing the narrative that Russia is bogged down in the Donbas. More about Stelkov in a moment.
I find it amusing that retired American Generals and Colonels who populate Fox, CNN, MSNBC and Newsmax are busy critiquing tactics they themselves have never carried out. The last time the United States was on a battlefield fighting an organized military with potent air power, artillery and tanks was in Korea. Most of these guys (e.g., General Keane) were in diapers or in elementary school. None of them were on that battlefield.
The United States’ war experience since 1960 has been against third world armies that did not have a modern air force and significant armor capabilities. The closest we have come to fighting a real army was the North Vietnamese. But the North Vietnamese relied more on human waves in combating the U.S. military and the United States had withdrawn its combat units from Vietnam with the North Vietnamese swept south and defeated the South Vietnamese. (I want to add that American troops in Vietnam, for the most part, fought bravely despite a military and political leadership that betrayed their sacrifice. It is not un-American to ask the question–what did they die for?)
Russia is not playing the United States’ game. When George W. Bush launched “shock and awe” in Iraq in March of 2003, the media briefings and images from the frontlines played an important role in convincing the American public that our multi-billion dollar military was moving like a devil’s scythe through the Iraqi forces. It was only after Bush’s Mission Accomplished speech that Americans had to come to grips with the fact that we did not control Iraq and that a viable insurgency existed.
So what is my point? The Russian military leadership and Vladimir Putin are not spending time feeding reporters with daily briefs of body counts of Ukrainian fighters or showing drone footage of Russians wiping out Ukrainian entrenched positions.
Americans indulge the delusion that we have a free, vibrant press. Yet, military analysts like Scott Ritter and Doug MacGregor are rarely invited to appear on any cable broadcast to offer a dissenting view on the narrative being force fed to the gullible, ignorant public. I will repeat a point I made early on in the Russian campaign regarding the 40 mile Russian column that lurked for more than a week north of Kiev. U.S. analysts insisted this was evidence of Russian incompetence in keeping these tanks and trucks supplied with fuel. Yet, during the entire time this big fat Russia target sat exposed, the mighty Ukrainian military failed to launch any significant attack designed to destroy that column.
This is not a minor point. No Ukrainian air assets (fixed or rotary wing) attacked the column. No Ukrainian artillery units shelled the exposed Russian tanks and trucks. And no Ukrainian tank units attacked the supposedly stalled Russians. Why? Because Ukraine had no capability to carry out such strikes.
What was Russia doing? Ritter, MacGregor and Martyanov, among others (including yours truly) saw this as a feint designed to pin down Ukrainian forces around Kiev that were dug in while Russia prepped to focus on the Donbas and the southern littoral of Ukraine.
THE RUSSIAN TIMELINE CRITIQUE IN THE UKRAINE
A common theme marshaled to “prove” that Russia is failing in its war with Ukraine is that Russia failed to quickly take Kiev and, in fact, was forced to retreat from Kiev. In addition, the military analysts that populate the cable news channels in the United States insist that the Russians are bogged down and not making the rapid progress they (the Russians) expected.
This is nonsense. I defy anyone to show me one statement by Putin or the Russian General Staff where a specific timeline was established or identified. This is a construct of western military analysts who do not have access to Russia’s military plan and are projecting their own wishful thinking as “evidence” of a flailing Russian military.
But it is not only western military analysts sounding the Debbie downer dirge. A blogger popular with many Russia watchers, Strelkov, also is pushing the narrative that Russia is bogged down in the Donbas. More about Stelkov in a moment.
I find it amusing that retired American Generals and Colonels who populate Fox, CNN, MSNBC and Newsmax are busy critiquing tactics they themselves have never carried out. The last time the United States was on a battlefield fighting an organized military with potent air power, artillery and tanks was in Korea. Most of these guys (e.g., General Keane) were in diapers or in elementary school. None of them were on that battlefield.
The United States’ war experience since 1960 has been against third world armies that did not have a modern air force and significant armor capabilities. The closest we have come to fighting a real army was the North Vietnamese. But the North Vietnamese relied more on human waves in combating the U.S. military and the United States had withdrawn its combat units from Vietnam with the North Vietnamese swept south and defeated the South Vietnamese. (I want to add that American troops in Vietnam, for the most part, fought bravely despite a military and political leadership that betrayed their sacrifice. It is not un-American to ask the question–what did they die for?)
Russia is not playing the United States’ game. When George W. Bush launched “shock and awe” in Iraq in March of 2003, the media briefings and images from the frontlines played an important role in convincing the American public that our multi-billion dollar military was moving like a devil’s scythe through the Iraqi forces. It was only after Bush’s Mission Accomplished speech that Americans had to come to grips with the fact that we did not control Iraq and that a viable insurgency existed.
So what is my point? The Russian military leadership and Vladimir Putin are not spending time feeding reporters with daily briefs of body counts of Ukrainian fighters or showing drone footage of Russians wiping out Ukrainian entrenched positions.
Americans indulge the delusion that we have a free, vibrant press. Yet, military analysts like Scott Ritter and Doug MacGregor are rarely invited to appear on any cable broadcast to offer a dissenting view on the narrative being force fed to the gullible, ignorant public. I will repeat a point I made early on in the Russian campaign regarding the 40 mile Russian column that lurked for more than a week north of Kiev. U.S. analysts insisted this was evidence of Russian incompetence in keeping these tanks and trucks supplied with fuel. Yet, during the entire time this big fat Russia target sat exposed, the mighty Ukrainian military failed to launch any significant attack designed to destroy that column.
This is not a minor point. No Ukrainian air assets (fixed or rotary wing) attacked the column. No Ukrainian artillery units shelled the exposed Russian tanks and trucks. And no Ukrainian tank units attacked the supposedly stalled Russians. Why? Because Ukraine had no capability to carry out such strikes.
What was Russia doing? Ritter, MacGregor and Martyanov, among others (including yours truly) saw this as a feint designed to pin down Ukrainian forces around Kiev that were dug in while Russia prepped to focus on the Donbas and the southern littoral of Ukraine.
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05-07-2022, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted By ymer⏩
RU forces cant even take Azovstal and its been how long? I thought this was the 2nd best military in the world...Ukraine is winning so much that they have to hide in old catacombs.
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05-07-2022, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
lol whatRU forces cant even take Azovstal and its been how long? I thought this was the 2nd best military in the world...
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05-07-2022, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
Cut em them some slack. They arn't fighting third world sandel wearing, hut thumping Iraqis.RU forces cant even take Azovstal and its been how long? I thought this was the 2nd best military in the world...
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05-07-2022, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
lol yea..russia is getting embarrassed asflol what
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05-07-2022, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
If you say so. If any of the people cowering in those tunnels tries to escape they've got a 100 mile hike through russian controlled landlol yea..russia is getting embarrassed asf
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05-07-2022, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Must be nice not having a family or any responsibilities so you can just misc 24/7. Jesus get out of your mom's basement and do something with your life.If you say so. If any of the people cowering in those tunnels tries to escape they've got a 100 mile hike through russian controlled land
05-07-2022, 10:49 PM
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05-07-2022, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
how much oil and canned goods is the kremlin sending you for your service?If you say so. If any of the people cowering in those tunnels tries to escape they've got a 100 mile hike through russian controlled land
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05-07-2022, 11:58 PM
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Maybe the Russians are using Odessa and Kharkiv front to just tie up Ukrainian forced as they advance in the East? It seems as if the bulk of their operations and small victories is coming at Izyum/Donbas region. They want that region badly before all else. The rest of the fronts are just smoke and mirrors to keep Ukrainians tied up like they did with Kiev.
05-08-2022, 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
I think you're deliberately misunderstanding me. He's unfavourably comparing the US military performance to Russia's, when of course it should be the other way around.He's saying the US strategy in the gulf is not comparable to what Russia is doing, and you're saying thats correct but he's still wrong....
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Bold is my emphasis. I'm going to post my previous precis because its still relevant.
Cautious optimism is warranted with the first major Ukranian counter-offensive unfolding.
Brief history to this point: Ukraine won the Battle of Kiev but was not able to encircle and destroy Russian combat power in that area. Never the less, Russia was forced to reduce the scope of their mission and concentrate firepower in the East and South only. Despite the logistical and tactical advantages this approach offered to Russia, Ukraine has prevented them making any major gains beyond those achieved in the initial week or so of the invasion. However Ukraine can only win by retaking territory against a Russian defense, a more challenging prospect than defending ground - as we have seen with Russia's dismal performance in combined arms operations. So Ukraine's ability to conduct this counter-offensive will provide critical insights into how the war may unfold.
https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...sessment-may-7
RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, MAY 7
The Ukrainian counteroffensive northeast of Kharkiv is making significant progress and will likely advance to the Russian border in the coming days or weeks. Russian forces may be conducting a limited withdrawal in the face of successful Ukrainian attacks and reportedly destroyed three bridges to slow the Ukrainian advance. Armies generally only destroy bridges if they have largely decided they will not attempt to cross the river in the other direction anytime soon; Russian forces are therefore unlikely to launch operations to retake the northeast outskirts of Kharkiv liberated by Ukrainian forces in the near future. Russian forces previously destroyed several bridges during their retreat from Chernihiv Oblast—as did Ukrainian forces withdrawing in the face of the Russian offensive in the initial days of the war.
This Ukrainian offensive is likely intended to push Russian forces out of artillery range of Kharkiv city and drive to the border of Russia’s Belgorod Oblast. As ISW previously forecasted, the Ukrainian counteroffensive is forcing Russian units intended for deployment elsewhere to redeploy to the Kharkiv front to halt Ukrainian attacks. Given the current rate of Ukrainian advances, Russian forces may be unable to prevent Ukrainian forces from reaching the Russian border, even with additional reinforcements.Ukrainian forces are not directly threatening Russian lines of communication to Izyum (and ISW cannot verify claims of a separate Ukrainian counteroffensive toward Izyum at this time), but the Ukrainian counteroffensive demonstrates promising Ukrainian capabilities and may set conditions for further offensive operations into northeastern Kharkiv Oblast.
By all indications, Russian forces will announce the creation of a Kherson People’s Republic or possibly forcibly annex Kherson Oblast in the near future and are intensifying occupation measures in Mariupol. Russian forces are reportedly increasing their security presence in both Kherson and Mariupol, including withdrawing personnel from frontline combat units to protect Russian dignitaries in Mariupol. Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Leader Denis Pushilin arrived in Kherson on May 6, and local occupation officials stated the region will “strive to become a subject of Russia” and “will resemble something close to Crimea in terms of the pace of development,” echoing longstanding rhetoric used by Russia’s existing proxies in eastern Ukraine. As ISW has previously assessed, the Kremlin will likely form illegal proxy republics or directly annex occupied areas of southern and eastern Ukraine to cement its occupation administration and attempt to permanently strip these territories from Ukraine.
Key Takeaways
- Russian forces destroyed several bridges to slow Ukrainian forces and may be conducting a limited withdrawal northeast of Kharkiv city in the face of the successful Ukrainian counteroffensive.
- Ukrainian forces are making significant progress around Kharkiv and will likely advance to the Russian border in the coming days.
- Ukrainian forces continued to repel Russian advances toward Barvinvoke and Russian forces have likely abandoned efforts to drive directly southeast toward Slovyansk. ISW cannot confirm claims of a Ukrainian counteroffensive toward Izyum at this time.
- Russian forces claimed to capture Popasna on May 7 but remain largely stalled in eastern Ukraine.
- The Ukrainian government confirmed the last remaining civilians trapped in the Azovstal plant evacuated on May 7, though the remaining Ukrainian defenders appear unlikely to surrender.ISW will likely be unable to report any discrete changes in control of terrain until Russian forces capture the plant as a whole due to the poor information environment in Mariupol.
- By all indications, Russian forces will announce the creation of a Kherson People’s Republic or possibly forcibly annex Kherson Oblast in the coming weeks to cement its occupation administration and attempt to permanently strip these territories from Ukraine.
- Russian forces continued to target Odesa with cruise missile strikes and conduct false-flag attacks in Transnistria over the past several days.
Cautious optimism is warranted with the first major Ukranian counter-offensive unfolding.
Brief history to this point: Ukraine won the Battle of Kiev but was not able to encircle and destroy Russian combat power in that area. Never the less, Russia was forced to reduce the scope of their mission and concentrate firepower in the East and South only. Despite the logistical and tactical advantages this approach offered to Russia, Ukraine has prevented them making any major gains beyond those achieved in the initial week or so of the invasion. However Ukraine can only win by retaking territory against a Russian defense, a more challenging prospect than defending ground - as we have seen with Russia's dismal performance in combined arms operations. So Ukraine's ability to conduct this counter-offensive will provide critical insights into how the war may unfold.
https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...sessment-may-7
RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, MAY 7
The Ukrainian counteroffensive northeast of Kharkiv is making significant progress and will likely advance to the Russian border in the coming days or weeks. Russian forces may be conducting a limited withdrawal in the face of successful Ukrainian attacks and reportedly destroyed three bridges to slow the Ukrainian advance. Armies generally only destroy bridges if they have largely decided they will not attempt to cross the river in the other direction anytime soon; Russian forces are therefore unlikely to launch operations to retake the northeast outskirts of Kharkiv liberated by Ukrainian forces in the near future. Russian forces previously destroyed several bridges during their retreat from Chernihiv Oblast—as did Ukrainian forces withdrawing in the face of the Russian offensive in the initial days of the war.
This Ukrainian offensive is likely intended to push Russian forces out of artillery range of Kharkiv city and drive to the border of Russia’s Belgorod Oblast. As ISW previously forecasted, the Ukrainian counteroffensive is forcing Russian units intended for deployment elsewhere to redeploy to the Kharkiv front to halt Ukrainian attacks. Given the current rate of Ukrainian advances, Russian forces may be unable to prevent Ukrainian forces from reaching the Russian border, even with additional reinforcements.Ukrainian forces are not directly threatening Russian lines of communication to Izyum (and ISW cannot verify claims of a separate Ukrainian counteroffensive toward Izyum at this time), but the Ukrainian counteroffensive demonstrates promising Ukrainian capabilities and may set conditions for further offensive operations into northeastern Kharkiv Oblast.
By all indications, Russian forces will announce the creation of a Kherson People’s Republic or possibly forcibly annex Kherson Oblast in the near future and are intensifying occupation measures in Mariupol. Russian forces are reportedly increasing their security presence in both Kherson and Mariupol, including withdrawing personnel from frontline combat units to protect Russian dignitaries in Mariupol. Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Leader Denis Pushilin arrived in Kherson on May 6, and local occupation officials stated the region will “strive to become a subject of Russia” and “will resemble something close to Crimea in terms of the pace of development,” echoing longstanding rhetoric used by Russia’s existing proxies in eastern Ukraine. As ISW has previously assessed, the Kremlin will likely form illegal proxy republics or directly annex occupied areas of southern and eastern Ukraine to cement its occupation administration and attempt to permanently strip these territories from Ukraine.
Key Takeaways
- Russian forces destroyed several bridges to slow Ukrainian forces and may be conducting a limited withdrawal northeast of Kharkiv city in the face of the successful Ukrainian counteroffensive.
- Ukrainian forces are making significant progress around Kharkiv and will likely advance to the Russian border in the coming days.
- Ukrainian forces continued to repel Russian advances toward Barvinvoke and Russian forces have likely abandoned efforts to drive directly southeast toward Slovyansk. ISW cannot confirm claims of a Ukrainian counteroffensive toward Izyum at this time.
- Russian forces claimed to capture Popasna on May 7 but remain largely stalled in eastern Ukraine.
- The Ukrainian government confirmed the last remaining civilians trapped in the Azovstal plant evacuated on May 7, though the remaining Ukrainian defenders appear unlikely to surrender.ISW will likely be unable to report any discrete changes in control of terrain until Russian forces capture the plant as a whole due to the poor information environment in Mariupol.
- By all indications, Russian forces will announce the creation of a Kherson People’s Republic or possibly forcibly annex Kherson Oblast in the coming weeks to cement its occupation administration and attempt to permanently strip these territories from Ukraine.
- Russian forces continued to target Odesa with cruise missile strikes and conduct false-flag attacks in Transnistria over the past several days.
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05-08-2022, 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Two women and a little girl are shown on the video, whatever fits your narrative, right?Mariupol welcoming Russian soldiers and thanking them for coming
https://videopress.com/v/mMgGTFld
This is why the nazis are happy to shell their own cities in this area
https://videopress.com/v/mMgGTFld
This is why the nazis are happy to shell their own cities in this area
The women on occupied land will always sleep with/greet the occupier, that's their way of survival, been that way through history. e.g WWII in occupied France, Norway (called the "German Girls"), Denmark and so on, the women all slept with the Nazis, because they represented the new regime and power to them. Nothing new.
1945: Two French men restrain a woman while another crops her hair after she has been accused of collaborating with the Germans during the occupation.
Females are not fighters by nature, they go with the current.
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Almost 4 mil Russians left Russia in the first three months of 2022. Even their own people keep leaving that chithole lol. Poot soon to be alone there.
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Originally Posted By Kozlicek⏩
A lot of them left to finland. After the war started, the trains from russia to finland were full but empty the other way from finland to russia. The smart people mostly left russia already, soon it will be only Vatnik yes men.Almost 4 mil Russians left Russia in the first three months of 2022. Even their own people keep leaving that chithole lol. Poot soon to be alone there.
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Originally Posted By MotorcycleBrah⏩
Something you hear from London russians all the timeA lot of them left to finland. After the war started, the trains from russia to finland were full but empty the other way from finland to russia.The smart people mostly left russia already, soon it will be only Vatnik yes men.
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Originally Posted By MotorcycleBrah⏩
Yep.A lot of them left to finland. After the war started, the trains from russia to finland were full but empty the other way from finland to russia. The smart people mostly left russia already, soon it will be only Vatnik yes men.
Moscow. March 22. INTERFAX.RU - Russia in April may leave 70-100 thousand people as part of the "second wave" of emigration of IT specialists, such a forecast was given by the Russian Association for Electronic Communications (RAEC).
"The first wave - 50-70 thousand people have already left. The only thing holding back the second wave is that there are expensive tickets, housing has grown, no one is waiting for Russians, and there is no financial connectivity, it is impossible to conduct transactions. But the second wave will definitely be, according to our forecast, from 70,000 to 100,000 people will leave in April. These are only IT people," Sergey Plugotarenko, head of the RAEC, said on Tuesday at a meeting "Development of the IT industry under sanctions" in the State Duma.
https://www.interfax.ru/digital/830581
On another note, remember yesterday's Russian report on them wrecking a Ukrainian landing attempt and destroying several of the aircraft?
To absolutely nobody's surprise, it turns out it was the Ukies who wrecked a Russian helicopter that was dropping off troops. Besides the jets striking the island which was already posted.
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Originally Posted By MotorcycleBrah⏩
Lmfao @ finnish cucks letting them in. Thats gonna backfire in two decades when its their time for more liberation and land loss againA lot of them left to finland. After the war started, the trains from russia to finland were full but empty the other way from finland to russia. The smart people mostly left russia already, soon it will be only Vatnik yes men.
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
to absolutely nobodies surprise, copers cant do anything but cope again. hahahahahahahah that was a ukie chopper brah holy cope.. they got baited hardYep.
Moscow. March 22. INTERFAX.RU - Russia in April may leave 70-100 thousand people as part of the "second wave" of emigration of IT specialists, such a forecast was given by the Russian Association for Electronic Communications (RAEC).
"The first wave - 50-70 thousand people have already left. The only thing holding back the second wave is that there are expensive tickets, housing has grown, no one is waiting for Russians, and there is no financial connectivity, it is impossible to conduct transactions. But the second wave will definitely be, according to our forecast, from 70,000 to 100,000 people will leave in April. These are only IT people," Sergey Plugotarenko, head of the RAEC, said on Tuesday at a meeting "Development of the IT industry under sanctions" in the State Duma.
https://www.interfax.ru/digital/830581
On another note, remember yesterday's Russian report on them wrecking a Ukrainian landing attempt and destroying several of the aircraft?
To absolutely nobody's surprise, it turns out it was the Ukies who wrecked a Russian helicopter that was dropping off troops. Besides the jets striking the island which was already posted.
Moscow. March 22. INTERFAX.RU - Russia in April may leave 70-100 thousand people as part of the "second wave" of emigration of IT specialists, such a forecast was given by the Russian Association for Electronic Communications (RAEC).
"The first wave - 50-70 thousand people have already left. The only thing holding back the second wave is that there are expensive tickets, housing has grown, no one is waiting for Russians, and there is no financial connectivity, it is impossible to conduct transactions. But the second wave will definitely be, according to our forecast, from 70,000 to 100,000 people will leave in April. These are only IT people," Sergey Plugotarenko, head of the RAEC, said on Tuesday at a meeting "Development of the IT industry under sanctions" in the State Duma.
https://www.interfax.ru/digital/830581
On another note, remember yesterday's Russian report on them wrecking a Ukrainian landing attempt and destroying several of the aircraft?
To absolutely nobody's surprise, it turns out it was the Ukies who wrecked a Russian helicopter that was dropping off troops. Besides the jets striking the island which was already posted.
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This is propaganda. That Mi-8 is Ukrainian. It was delivering special forces to the island. The soldiers lay on the ground and assume combat positions soon as they touch the ground, something russian soldiers would not do in russian held territory. Further more, another video shows what appears to be Su-34 Aviation strikes on snake island — suggesting that after the destruction of Russian short range air defence system on the island a few days ago, Russians pulled their forces out of the island and let Ukrainians take the bait. "
this is too good lmao
05-08-2022, 06:33 AM
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Popasnaya being taken while ukronazis flee and leave their stuff behind, 5 min vid
https://files.catbox.moe/3u6c1r.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/3u6c1r.mp4
05-08-2022, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted By Ikarsuz1337⏩
-Russia places a ZU-23-2 anti-aircraft gun on Snake Islandanother meltdown
-Ukraine releases a drone video where they destroy the ZU-23-2 anti-aircraft gun
-Russia places a Tor SAM system on the island
-Ukraine releases a drone video where they destroy the Tor SAM system
-Russia tries to replace said Tor SAM system with another Tor SAM system
-Ukraine releases a drone video where they destroy the Tor SAM system and the Serna landing craft that was transporting it
-Ukraine releases drone video of Ukrainian Su-27 fighters bombing the island and destroying almost every building on it
-Russian survivors build a large letter Z on the island to signal friendlies that they are still alive
-Russian Mi-8 helicopter lands on the island and deploys Spetsnaz to presumably extract survivors
-Ukraine releases a drone video of a the helicopter and Spetsnaz being destroyed
But surely the heli on the Bayraktar video going poof is Ukrainian.
Also two more speedboats getting Bayraktar'd.
https://nitter.net/RALee85/status/1523208732750262273#m
Russians really just released their losses as Ukrainian.
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Well look at that, even the Wagner group ******** says that the heli was Russian.
https://t.me/grey_zone/13988?single
"A little compiled reality of recent days - Snake Island.
Yes, yes, this is the same island where some of the AFU marines surrendered in the first days. And everything seemed to be going well, but in two months nothing has changed around our occupied island. No echelon in the air defenses has been created, the enemy's means of defeat have not been suppressed. Only in a few days by a modest calculation the enemy destroyed a Mi-8 AMTSH (no, it is not an AFU helicopter) with the crew and a special forces evacuation team (I hope those who were near are alive after all), several Tor-M2 air defense systems, two Raptor speedboats, carried out missile and bomb strikes on the deployment sites and destroyed the weapons supply from the sea.
To be fair, our side destroyed one Su-27, one Su-24 of the Ukrainian Air Force and one to three Bayraktar TB-2 UAVs each, but that is far from what we would like to see.
Now, according to some reports, the island has been abandoned after all. Probably under the beautiful phrase - because it is unnecessary.
Translated withwww.DeepL.com/Translator(free version)"
https://t.me/grey_zone/13988?single
"A little compiled reality of recent days - Snake Island.
Yes, yes, this is the same island where some of the AFU marines surrendered in the first days. And everything seemed to be going well, but in two months nothing has changed around our occupied island. No echelon in the air defenses has been created, the enemy's means of defeat have not been suppressed. Only in a few days by a modest calculation the enemy destroyed a Mi-8 AMTSH (no, it is not an AFU helicopter) with the crew and a special forces evacuation team (I hope those who were near are alive after all), several Tor-M2 air defense systems, two Raptor speedboats, carried out missile and bomb strikes on the deployment sites and destroyed the weapons supply from the sea.
To be fair, our side destroyed one Su-27, one Su-24 of the Ukrainian Air Force and one to three Bayraktar TB-2 UAVs each, but that is far from what we would like to see.
Now, according to some reports, the island has been abandoned after all. Probably under the beautiful phrase - because it is unnecessary.
Translated withwww.DeepL.com/Translator(free version)"
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