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Thread: What's faster: A magnetic train going 200 mph or a car going 200 mph?

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Originally Posted By YeBrah⏩
its the same speed lmao

neither is faster than the other

when you have the velocities of the 2 objects it doesn't matter what the friction is when looking only at speed
U wot?

The train has a greater mass, along with the magnetic propulsion, would be going faster at 200mph than the car at 200mph.

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Originally Posted By mrmk5110⏩
It is true that a car will do this, but unless otherwise stated we can't 100% assume that this circumstance is true. What if it is self driving and is able to keep the car perfectly straight for the entire time?
Highly unlikely. Consider how easy it is to get a driver's license. Literally hundreds of thousands of people can drive. However, far less people are capable train pilots(especially magnetic trains). A train pilot is far more skilled and trained to drive a train, than a person to drive a car. You need to go to school and training to learn to drive a train. So the train pilot will keep the train much straighter than a car driver. Even if you take the best car driver, the best train driver will still keep the train straighter. Even robots cannot match the finesse and skill of a seasoned train pilot.

Consider for a moment how advanced the piloting technology in fighter jets is. But they are still manned by human pilots. Why? Because humans are more capable of piloting than AI systems.
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-they are both going the same speed
-which one is going faster

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Originally Posted By StiffSproles⏩
They are both going 200mph, but the trainhas no frictionsince it's a magnetic relationship with the metal trail and is basically hovering. The car has to deal with friction all the time because there is always a tug with the tire and concrete.

So obviously I believe the magnetic train will travel faster than the car. What do you think?
Even if there is friction if the net Acceleration on the two systems is the same their speeds will be equivalent.

The car however will take far more energy to travel the same distances as train as it has to constantly exert a force in order to maintain its speed unlike the train which just needs an initial push to get it going.

In short, the car has a constant force being exerted on it but as its speeds not changing it doesn't have a net acceleration and all its forces are in equilibrium (friction = propelling force).

There are no parallel forces acting on the train and therefore it's acceleration is also zero.

Both will travel at the same velocity but if you value not going bankrupt on an energy bill you'll opt for the train.
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Originally Posted By SomedayIllBeMe⏩
You might think that, but in fact the train would get there faster. Think of what requires more effort, a pull or a push? It requires significantly less effort to pull than to push. So apply this to our scenario; the train is literally beingpushedby magnets. The car, however, uses it's tires to pull itself along the road. There is a greater synergy between the magnets, working together, vs the opposite effects of a rubber tire pulling itself across asphalt. Magnet + magnet is far more efficient than tire - asphalt.

It's like a rock climber pushing off the mountain face to reach the top, vs being pulled up by a pully system. Obviously he'll get up more quickly by being pulled up.
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Originally Posted By -Al-⏩
The car however will take far more energy to travel the same distances as train as it has to constantly exert in order to maintain its speed unlike the train which needs a initial push to get it going.
This. You worded it better than I did.

The car needs to be constantly spinning it's tires and exerting energy, the train just cruises on the force of magnets. Therefore the train will be faster. They both have the same initial speed, 200mph, but since the car is required to exert more energy it will be slower than the train.
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Originally Posted By SomedayIllBeMe⏩
Highly unlikely. Consider how easy it is to get a driver's license. Literally hundreds of thousands of people can drive. However, far less people are capable train pilots(especially magnetic trains). A train pilot is far more skilled and trained to drive a train, than a person to drive a car. You need to go to school and training to learn to drive a train. So the train pilot will keep the train much straighter than a car driver. Even if you take the best car driver, the best train driver will still keep the train straighter.Even robots cannot match the finesse and skill of a seasoned train pilot.

Consider for a moment how advanced the piloting technology in fighter jets is. But they are still manned by human pilots. Why? Because humans are more capable of piloting than AI systems.
Well we train robots to do many other things more accurately than a human can do aka much of our major manufacturing.

I disagree that a robot can't be more accurate than a seasoned pilot
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Originally Posted By SomedayIllBeMe⏩
This. You worded it better than I did.

The car needs to be constantly spinning it's tires and exerting energy, the train just cruises on the force of magnets. Therefore the train will be faster. They both have the same initial speed, 200mph, but since the car is required to exert more energy it will be slower than the train.
Their speeds won't change because even though the car is wasting way more energy to maintain its 200mph it is still traveling st 200mph.

200mph is a rate of change over time. If both the train and car are displacing a certain distance at the same time that means their changing their position at equal rates. Their speeds are equivalent however the car is exponentially less efficient maintaining that speed.
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Obviously a pitbull, once it's jaw locks, both are immobilized.
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Originally Posted By NVious⏩
Obviously a pitbull, once it's jaw locks, both are immobilized.
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Originally Posted By Raven2392⏩
If they are both going 200/mph they are both doing the same speed and one is not faster than the other? Is this over my head?
No not at all. One is consuming more fuel to make energy to maintain that speed but they're both going identical speeds. Neither is faster.
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Originally Posted By KTTY⏩
I knew that at some point someone would go way over the top and ruin a great trolling thread

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Don't blame me, I'm just reiterating what the other dude said.
Originally Posted By mrmk5110⏩
Well we train robots to do many other things more accurately than a human can do aka much of our major manufacturing.

I disagree that a robot can't be more accurate than a seasoned pilot
It depends on the context. If this thread came up in like the year 2116 then it is possible an auto piloted car might have the same degree of precision as the train. But with current technology I still think the train would be faster. Humans have to train the robots, therefore the robot can never surpass humans. It's like how you can't teach someone to be smarter than you; you can only impart as much as you know. Robots can only repeat with consistency greater than a human. I think once humanity and our technology advances, though, it might be a closer race. But it's impossible to say with certainty.
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They stated the velocity is the same between the train and the car. They're the same speed. The vector diagram between alinearpath from point A to B if they both travel at 200 km/s will reach the same destination at the same time if nothing obstructs the point of travel from either vehicle. They're the same velocity in a vacuum and it's the same velocity if it's 200 km/s ramming up your butt. They travel at the same velocity...It's a different matter if the vehicle travels at a non-linear path with many different types of friction acting upon it.




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Originally Posted By IH8RICE⏩
No not at all. One is consuming more fuel to make energy to maintain that speed but they're both going identical speeds. Neither is faster.
You're right. lol @ this having 100+ replies though.
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If two cars are parked next to each other, one a very fast sports car, and the other a very slow econobox, and someone was asked which car is faster and they answered the sports car, would they be wrong since they are both going exactly 0mph? Or does potential play into this? If the car is only capable of 200, and the train could easily do 250 or 300, would it be wrong to call the train faster even if they are currently going the same speed?
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[QUOTE=GenghisBro post_id=1444962333]They stated the velocity is the same between the train and the car. They're the same speed. The vector diagram between a[b]linear[/b]path from point A to B if they both travel at 200 km/s will reach the same destination at the same time if nothing obstructs the point of travel from either vehicle. They're the same velocity in a vacuum and it's the same velocity if it's 200 km/s ramming up your butt. They travel at the same velocity...It's a different matter if the vehicle travels at a non-linear path with many different types of friction acting upon it.

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[youtube]h6X3j3SV8fQ[/youube][/QUOTE]You are forgetting about[b]friction[/b]dumbass. Friction is a force applied[b]downwards[/b], not backwards like you think, and its caused by gravity pulling matter to the center of the universe, causing the tires to have friction with the road, noticeably slowing down the car.


Now Genius, if the car is going 200 mph and suddenly it loses its tires and starts floating, keeping the same acceleration force, will it go faster or slower?

The answer to OP is the car, because of the train not having any friction
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
You are forgetting aboutfrictiondumbass. Friction is a force applieddownwards, not backwards like you think, and its caused by gravity pulling matter to the center of the universe, causing the tires to have friction with the road, noticeably slowing down the car.


Now Genius, if the car is going 200 mph and suddenly it loses its tires and starts floating, keeping the same acceleration force, will it go faster or slower?

The answer to OP is the car, because of the train not having any friction
Wow, this makes 100% sense. Very good explanation and very intuitive.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
You are forgetting aboutfrictiondumbass. Friction is a force applieddownwards, not backwards like you think, and its caused by gravity pulling matter to the center of the universe, causing the tires to have friction with the road, noticeably slowing down the car.


Now Genius, if the car is going 200 mph and suddenly it loses its tires and starts floating, keeping the same acceleration force, will it go faster or slower?

The answer to OP is the car, because of the train not having any friction
That's not what the question asked. If they're both travelling at the same velocity, they're traveling the same speed in a direction. Were not accounting other variables that obstruct the vehicles point of destination like a muddy terrain.
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The train OP. Trains are longer than cars so if they start at the same spot, obviously the train will finish first (the car will have to catch up with the rest of the train's length).

Do you even basic science?
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Originally Posted By GenghisBro⏩
That's not what the question asked. If they're both travelling at the same velocity, they're traveling the same speed in a direction.Were not accounting other variables that obstruct the vehicles point of destination like a muddy terrain.
LMAO, what the fuk you trying to say man? Are you trolling right now with your nonsense?

Now you bringing muddy terrains and ****? lulz, if you are trolling, son im proud, because you are really rustlin my jimmies with your poverty physics trolling.
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Originally Posted By YeBrah⏩
its the same speed lmao

neither is faster than the other

when you have the velocities of the 2 objects it doesn't matter what the friction is when looking only at speed
This.....Who ever thinks otherwise needs to attend 7th grade again.
To be continued....
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
LMAO, what the fuk you trying to say man? Are you trolling right now with your nonsense?

Now you bringing muddy terrains and ****? lulz, if you are trolling, son im proud, because you are really rustlin my jimmies with your poverty physics trolling.
Amigo if they're travelling at the same speed, what type of question is it if someone asks which one is faster? They're at the same speed even with friction in the car. Decreasing the friction would increase the speed of the train no doubt, but if it's travelling at the same velocity as the car it's not going faster than it. You might have to review your basic physics from high school senior.
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Awesome thread.

Some guys are playing along and replying with humor.
Some guys are replying seriously.
OP is staying in character and rolling along.

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Originally Posted By GenghisBro⏩
Amigo if they're travelling at the same speed, what type of question is it if someone asks which one is faster?They're at the same speed even with friction in the car. Decreasing the friction would increase the speed of the train no doubt, but if it's travelling at the same velocity as the car it's not going faster than it. You might have to review your basic physics from high school...
Oh i get it now, Mr troll.

I gotta give it to you, you really trolled me at first lol. Reps for being a good subtle troll. I get carried away in these kinds of threads and i never know when miscers are trolling like you or when they are legit retarded Physics-wise like you seemed to be. Carry on my friend, i shall bait no more.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
You are forgetting aboutfrictiondumbass. Friction is a force applieddownwards, not backwards like you think, and its caused by gravity pulling matter to the center of the universe, causing the tires to have friction with the road, noticeably slowing down the car.


Now Genius, if the car is going 200 mph and suddenly it loses its tires and starts floating, keeping the same acceleration force, will it go faster or slower?

The answer to OP is the car, because of the train not having any friction
Dude......200mph = 200 mph.

Both objects have different force vectors applied to them due to the difference in friction and wind resistance, but at the end of the day they both achieve a speed of 200mph.

It might take the train 100 Newtons to achieve a speed of 200 mph
It may take the car 10000000000000000000 Newtons to achieve a speed of 200mph

But they are both traveling 200 mph.
To be continued....
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Oh i get it now, Mr troll.

I gotta give it to you, you really trolled me at first lol. Reps for being a good subtle troll. I get carried away in these kinds of threads and i never know when miscers are trolling like you or when they are legit retarded Physics-wise like you seemed to be. Carry on my friend, i shall bait no more.
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now i aint gay but 200 mph 200 mph

the question wasn't who reaches 200 mph faster?

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Originally Posted By PriestAndrettii⏩
Dude......200mph = 200 mph.

Both objects have different force vectors applied to them due to the difference in friction and wind resistance, but at the end of the day they both achieve a speed of 200mph.

It might take the train 100 Newtons to achieve a speed of 200 mph
It may take the car 10000000000000000000 Newtons to achieve a speed of 200mph

But they are both traveling 200 mph.
Nice try doofus. Like im really gonna bait for that lol.


If trolling: fuk off
If serious: Go read the basics on physics. You can start with searching "Physics" on wikipedia (srs). Then come back to this thread and realize how dumb you look.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Nice try doofus. Like im really gonna bait for that lol.


If trolling: fuk off
If serious: Go read the basics on physics. You can start with searching "Physics" on wikipedia (srs). Then come back to this thread and realize how dumb you look.
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