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post 1446585033 06-08-2016, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted By Zwicker⏩
?Firstly, I'm not American. I am, however, interested how you think the US is like that. They are about as capitalistic a country as there is.
We are run by political twats who get the position based on $$$ and relationships. THen they tell us they are looking out for our best interests, waste our taxes, vote themselves raises and benefits, continually break the law and manipulate the system to take as much money as possible.

We are economically capitalistic but the govt is a different animal.
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Originally Posted By Zwicker⏩
That is the best analogy I've heard. It's perfect when you have to explain to some pseudo-intellectual why communism/socialism is shiet (for the most part). Anyone who did halfway decent in high school/college can relate to being stuck with lazy, stupid, group members.
The problem is that leftists (who are basically Commies at heart) all have this bizarre idea that "everyone is the same", which is patently false on a provable level through science. Because everyone is "the same", any inequities that arise are seen as the result of some form of discrimination or bigotry instead of as a natural result of some people being less capable/less motivated/generally dumber than other people. This is why leftists call anyone with a differing opinion on pretty much any topic a racist, some kind of "phobe", or any other kind of "ist". That, and because leftists have zero logical arguments, they have to silence the opposition by attempting to make them look like bad people. They can't attack your ideas, so they attack your character until they use words like racist so much as to dilute the meaning to the point of rendering the term meaningless.
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Originally Posted By ~Hades~⏩
We are run by political twats who get the position based on $$$ and relationships. THen they tell us they are looking out for our best interests, waste our taxes, vote themselves raises and benefits, continually break the law and manipulate the system to take as much money as possible.
Right. I don't disagree with you. Politics/politicians are notoriously corrupt everywhere as I said. I seem to get the impression you think a good solution to combat that issue is to install a communist/socialist form of government? That would entrust them with muchmorepower and wealth than they have now. The last thing any sensible person would want... More corruption, less room for entrepreneurship, creative ideas.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
The problem is that leftists (who are basically Commies at heart) all have this bizarre idea that "everyone is the same", which is patently false on a provable level through science. Because everyone is "the same", any inequities that arise are seen as the result of some form of discrimination or bigotry instead of as a natural result of some people being less capable/less motivated/generally dumber than other people. This is why leftists call anyone with a differing opinion on pretty much any topic a racist, some kind of "phobe", or any other kind of "ist". That, and because leftists have zero logical arguments, they have to silence the opposition by attempting to make them look like bad people. They can't attack your ideas, so they attack your character until they use words like racist so much as to dilute the meaning to the point of rendering the term meaningless.
Those are good, classic Trump rhetorical tactics. Quite effective at stirring emotions. Generalize a group of people, then paint a picture within your own framing of what's wrong with them, point out within your picture the wrongs, then vilify the original generalized group for easy, convenient hatred. I would argue Trump is a master at it, though your post here is quite brilliant in it's execution.
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Originally Posted By Zwicker⏩
Right. I don't disagree with you. Politics/politicians are notoriously corrupt everywhere as I said. I seem to get the impression you think a good solution to combat that issue is to install a communist/socialist form of government? That would entrust them with muchmorepower and wealth than they have now. The last thing any sensible person would want... More corruption, less room for entrepreneurship, creative ideas.
No im not saying install those govts as they never seem to work out(although that doesnt mean that it cant be adapted to work) Want I want are more political parties, term limits, approval ratings, etc. Our govt isnt isnt afraid of the people or repercussions.

Socialism and communism have stigmas because leaders took advantage of the system. As mentioned by Ultimate Genetics, either would work with the right environment.
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Originally Posted By Ultimate
convenient hatred.
See.
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Originally Posted By ~Hades~⏩
No im not saying install those govts as they never seem to work out(although that doesnt mean that it cant be adapted to work) Want I want are more political parties, term limits, approval ratings, etc. Our govt isnt isnt afraid of the people or repercussions.
That's fair. I think government transparency and surveillance is a must. I think that a fully communist system would just compound the issue and make politicians that much more corrupt. At least American politicians pretend to care about the people. And you pay much lower taxes than every other "developed" nation. So count your blessings for both of those. Can you imagine paying double/triple taxes and then having a politician tell you where to work while giving you a poverty apartment and a poverty salary? Meanwhile he and his family are living well off you.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
See.
See what? My comment was directed at YOU, not right wingers, conservatives, etc. I am addressing you, and only you. Are you telling me you don't see hate on both sides? I despise regressive SJW's, but generalizing people is pretty ignorant as well.
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Originally Posted By Ultimate
See what? My comment was directed at YOU, not right wingers, conservatives, etc. I am addressing YOU, and only YOU. You are telling me you don't see hate on both sides? I despise regressive SJW's, but generalizing people is just as dumb no?
See how you totally avoided anything I said and brushed it off as "convenient hatred", which is ostensibly you calling me a racist, sexist, phobic.. blah blah blah.

If I am guilty of hate, it's hatred of leftist ideology. It's always the same tired ****: Demonizing the wealthy, the successful.. Theft through wealth redistribution.. pushing bizarre amoral progressive agendas.. victim culture.. wholesale slaughter of babies under the guise of "women's rights".. blah blah blah..
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
See how you totally avoided anything I said and brushed it off as "convenient hatred", which is ostensibly you calling me a racist, sexist, phobic.. blah blah blah.
I avoided nothing you said. I summed up your post as a generalization that should be rightly dismissed. I only have to find a SINGLE leftist who disagrees with your position to falsify it. Next time don't generalize people.

Here I will disseminate the reasoning for you:

"The problem is that leftists (who are basically Commies at heart) all have this bizarre idea that "everyone is the same", which is patently false on a provable level through science. "

(gross generalization, most sane people including myself only want equality under law, as a scientist, I would be an idiot to say all humans have equal potential).

"Because everyone is "the same", any inequities that arise are seen as the result of some form of discrimination or bigotry instead of as a natural result of some people being less capable/less motivated/generally dumber than other people. This is why leftists call anyone with a differing opinion on pretty much any topic a racist, some kind of "phobe", or any other kind of "ist". That, and because leftists have zero logical arguments, they have to silence the opposition by attempting to make them look like bad people. They can't attack your ideas, so they attack your character until they use words like racist so much as to dilute the meaning to the point of rendering the term meaningless."

(since I already pointed out how your premise is flawed, I do not need to continue operating within your framework, since the framework of the argument itself is flawed, and thus any solutions I present will be based in that flaw).
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Originally Posted By Ultimate
I avoided nothing you said. I summed up your post as a generalization that should be rightly dismissed. I only have to find a SINGLE leftist who disagrees with your position to falsify it. Next time don't generalize people.
I'm generalizing their ideology.

**Edit**

Leftism is closely tied with Socialism/Communism. It's all considered "leftist". So my generalization isn't inaccurate, ergo my premise is not inaccurate, nor are my conclusions.
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Literally anyone that came from a communist country will say how bad it was and how much better capitalism is. Look at how communism turned out for other countries.
I can't tell you why it's so bad I'm not educated enough about it but literally just look it up people can easily go off about why it's inferior
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
I'm generalizing their ideology.
Can you demonstrate where that is codified in liberal thinking? Are we talking equal potential or equal opportunities? Maybe cause I work in a lab and I'm surrounded by semi-smart people, but I have yet to meet anyone who thinks everyone on earth has equal potential. Either way, I was more impressed with your rhetorical style, much the same way Trump impresses me. He is a master at commanding the conversation and setting its framework.


Since you stealth edited your post, I will answer your stealth edit with my own stealth edit:
Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
**Edit**

Leftism is closely tied with Socialism/Communism. It's all considered "leftist". So my generalization isn't inaccurate, ergo my premise is not inaccurate, nor are my conclusions.
Nay. The two are distinct and different. If a society was communistic, and people were pushing for change, the communists would be the conservatives. Either way, you are still generalized individuals (though you shifted towards generalizing their ideologies afterwards).
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Originally Posted By Zwicker⏩
That's fair. I think government transparency and surveillance is a must. I think that a fully communist system would just compound the issue and make politicians that much more corrupt. At least American politicians pretend to care about the people. And you pay much lower taxes than every other "developed" nation. So count your blessings for both of those. Can you imagine paying double/triple taxes and then having a politician tell you where to work while giving you a poverty apartment and a poverty salary? Meanwhile he and his family are living well off you.
Yeah I dont want to make it out like i dont like America or that im not thankful for what we have. Nothing could be further from the truth but we have some serious political issues.
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Originally Posted By Ultimate
Can you demonstrate where that is codified in liberal thinking? Are we talking equal potential or equal opportunities? I have yet to meet anyone who thinks everyone on earth has equal potential. Maybe cause I work in a lab and I'm surrounded by semi-smart people? Either way, I was more impressed with your rhetorical style, much the same way Trump impresses me. He is a master at commanding the conversation and setting its framework.
Feminists claim that men & women are identical and only end up different because of socialization. They claim gender is a social construct. Feminism is completely a mental disease of the left. They even believe that women would be the equals of men in terms of raw physicality if they were given the same nutrition levels from birth, but that somehow due to "sexism", girls are denied protein to keep them smaller and weaker than their male counterparts. Feminists actually believe this crap.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Feminists claim that men & women are identical and only end up different because of socialization. They claim gender is a social construct. Feminism is completely a mental disease of the left. They even believe that women would be the equals of men in terms of raw physicality if they were given the same nutrition levels from birth, but that somehow due to "sexism", girls are denied protein to keep them smaller and weaker than their male counterparts. Feminists actually believe this crap.
I think even leftists are divorcing themselves from the term feminism. Egalitarianism is the new thing. Feminists these days are just extreme left SJW's who have no place in a modern discussion other than to ridicule.
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Originally Posted By Ultimate
I think even leftists are divorcing themselves from the term feminism. Egalitarianism is the new thing. Feminists these days are just extreme left SJW's who have no place in a modern discussion other than to ridicule.
And here I am, ridiculing them.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
And here I am, ridiculing them.
I got nothing against that, but your OP was a sweeping statement about how leftists are communist equalists who are takin' our guns! (ok I added that last part) :P
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Originally Posted By ~Hades~⏩
but lets be honest, capitalism as an idea is goat but it isnt that goat in real life
Crony capitalism with government regulation in every aspect can suck. True free market capitalism is the goatiest of goats. No contest tbh.
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Originally Posted By kingmode⏩
An easy analogy for communism is:
Communism is like a group project. Some work hard. Some show up 1-2 times. Some don't do anything. At the end of the day they all get the same grade.
That is the best way to explain it.
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Was the Soviet Union was a superpower? It did collapse but Capitalism has as many ills as you can count. Its not panacea either.
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Crony capitalism with government regulation in every aspect can suck. True free market capitalism is the goatiest of goats. No contest tbh.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Feminists claim that men & women are identical and only end up different because of socialization.
Only tumblerina's too dumb too understand Judith Butler do that.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Trouble
Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
They claim gender is a social construct.
It is.
Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Feminism is completely a mental disease of the left. They even believe that women would be the equals of men in terms of raw physicality if they were given the same nutrition levels from birth, but that somehow due to "sexism", girls are denied protein to keep them smaller and weaker than their male counterparts. Feminists actually believe this crap.
I have had a lot of feminist SJW-warrior professors, none is dumb enough to actually believe that.
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Because Communism only works on a small scale in which people can be held personally accountable for contributing/not contributing. IE a small tribal society.
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Originally Posted By I3igAl⏩
Only tumblerina's too dumb too understand Judith Butler do that.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Trouble


It is.


I have had a lot of feminist SJW-warrior professors, none is dumb enough to actually believe that.
Gender is not a Social Construct.. ffs...
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Originally Posted By badbl00d⏩
Nope. Every single attempt has resulted in a dictatorship.
This.


EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Look at that cesspool that is Venezuela right now and Hugo Chavez was one of the BEST to have ever done it. At least his socialism didn't end in genocide.

Just the murdering of students and imprisoning of opposition.
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Originally Posted By LikeAMachine⏩
This.


EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Look at that cesspool that is Venezuela right now and Hugo Chavez was one of the BEST to have ever done it. At least his socialism didn't end in genocide.

Just the murdering of students and imprisoning of opposition.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Gender is not a Social Construct.. ffs...
100 years ago wearing makeup was considered masculine. What's considered masculine and feminine changes all the time. Gender is most definitely a social construct.
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I don't think communism is the solution but I have a major gripe with capitalism.

Advocates of the free market cite that it leads to the most innovation and best product. But what exactly does that mean? Drive around town and take a look at all of the different businesses. Think of what the people you know do for work. The truth of the matter is that 90% of companies in existence today produce useless garbage and provide superfluous services. Everyone likes to think that they are "making it" because they hold a high position at a business that makes a lot of money. Few people ever truly think about what it is they are actually doing. They are blinded by society's definition of success. What are they doing, if anything, to make a positive impact on the world? A more efficient solar panel or an optical device that allows a blind man to see. These are obviously beneficial. But these products are the exception. Much of what capitalism has yielded is clutter. And not only does this clutter do nothing for the world, but it detracts from it. Think of all indonesian children working sow machines to stitch some entrepreneurs new merchandise woven with cliche words. Or how about a plastic chair manufacturer? Unprecedented levels of environmental destruction. For a ****ing chair that will snap the moment an obese person (products of capitalism) sit down. And capitalism tells us we need these things. Every single one of you has fallen for it. Because that is the goal of a capitalist. They think only for themselves. They ask how can they best shovel their useless **** down the consumers throat for the highest price they can. Consider a company like comcast or one of the cable companies. Most americans hate these companies. Yet every capitalist aspires to have a company operating on a level like comcast.

Individualism is cancer. Humans will wipe themselves out because of it and none of the technological innovations will have ever mattered. Earth will be barren of human life and the universe won't even know what happened.

No economic system facilitated by humans will ever function the way it was designed to. We are short sighted creatures driven by petty desires.
Originally Posted By guest89⏩
Only a pathetic loser would be for communism. It literally goes against every single natural thing in the world. Why are you even on a bodybuilding website. All of your efforts should be to blend into a lifestyle of mediocrity and equality with everyone else walking around. How dare you try to make your physique, fitness, and health better then everyone else. It would be completely unfair of you to be healthier and better looking due to putting in hard work in the gym.







The problem with communism is it will always attract an inferior class of people. There is a reason why communist nations are sh!t tier and capitalist nations rule the world. Do you honestly think people who work harder, longer, and are more intelligent want to be on the same tier as people who are lazy, uneducated, and have no desire to work/elevate themselves? Do you think they will ALLOW themselves to be placed into that category? Look at any communist society and you'll see masses of impoverished, weak, powerless individuals that are subject to the rule of a few wealthy elite. They have no chance for advancement. The most they can ever expect is a life of mediocrity and equality with other equally weak pathetic people.




The simple truth is Bernie supporters are going to live a life of mediocrity and poverty. They'll never hold any position of real power. Its unlikely they'll ever accomplish anything of note in life. 95% of them could drop dead right now and the world would be completely unaffected by it. We'd lose a bunch of liberal arts majors and minimum wage cucks that can be replaced by a bunch of non-English speaking immigrants to do the job's they've done for cheaper and without all the complaining and b!tching. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of them are unemployed and don't even pay taxes at the moment.




Sorry but I'd rather work 60 hours a week and make twice the income and life twice as good as people who work 30 because they are unmotivated to work more or harder.
you were onto something and then killed it
*got windows tinted to pick nose while driving crew*
*waits in car until jacked guys leave the gym crew*
*spends 2 hours on hair before getting a haircut crew*
*scared to buy protein powder in person crew*
*curls more than he benches crew*
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